The Business of Government is to Promote Happiness or Business?

[Iceweasel]

Happiness as defined by Wikipedia? The DoI isn't the governing document of the land, even if your Wikilink had any relevance.

I never said the Declaration of Independence was the governing document of the land...you did.

Liar.

 

[Iceweasel]

bread and circuses proves the right has been wrong about a welfare-State, from Inception.

Are you sniffing glue?

 

[kaz]

ocialism is central economic planning.

Tell me if the following conforms to your understanding of socialism?
"a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution,of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole."
Socialism Define Socialism at Dictionary.com
Railing against central planning seems to contradict the fundamental unit of capitalism, i.e., the corporation.

Socialism says the control of land and labor belongs in the hands of the society, and not a few rich investors.

Socialism and Workers Self-Directed Enterprises Professor Richard D. Wolff

As for socialism, you didn't contradict anything I said. Government plans the economy, it's central planning.

In capitalism, you didn't understand anything I said, read it again.

 

[georgephillip]

As for socialism, you didn't contradict anything I said. Government plans the economy, it's central planning.

Government doesn't plan the economy under socialism; workers do. You should stop confusing how socialism functioned in Russia with what was intended. Lenin and Stalin crushed worker soviets and substituted state power in their place. It's alleged that Wall Street was behind the counter-revolution.
"Sutton studied at the universities of London,Göttingen, and California, and received hisD.Sc. from the University of Southampton. He was an economics professor at California State University, Los Angeles and a research fellow at Stanford University'sHoover Institution from 1968 to 1973. During his time at the Hoover Institution, he wrote the major study Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development (in three volumes), arguing that the West played a major role in developing the Soviet Union from its very beginnings up until the present time (1970). Sutton argued that the Soviet Union's technological and manufacturing base..."
Antony C. Sutton - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[bripat9643]

Please try what?

Why don't you try using the argument in a court of law that someone agreed to a contract because they failed to move.

You're an imbecile.

The fact that the courts prosecute you for not paying taxes only proves that the government will prosecute you for not paying taxes. No where in your case was there discussion about whether the defendant agreed to pay it. The court just doesn't give a shit about whether you agreed to it.

You agree to paying it by being a US citizen OR just living in OUR society Bubba. PLEASE go in front of a judge and tell him you never agreed to pay your payroll taxes, lol


You get to be crowned King of Wingernuttervill today Bubba

Wrong, asshole. By no moral, ethical or legal principle is that true. That's the moral code of a Mafia extortionist.

And like I told you, the issue of whether I agreed to pay taxes doesn't come up in a court of law because paying taxes isn't a contractual obligation. The judge doesn't give a shit whether you agreed to it or not. You're the one claiming I agreed, not some judge or the legal code of the United States.

OK, Glad I crowned you King of Wingnutters earlier since you 'think' Gov't is equated to the mafia, lol

The government is indistinguishable from an organized gang of criminals.

"OK, Glad I crowned you King of Wingnutters earlier"

Reality seems crazy to someone as delusional as you.

If you think there's a difference between government and a criminal gang, please point it out.

 

[bripat9643]

Utilitarianism always struck me as fundamentally pointless for exactly this reason. It's certainly not anything I want government to follow.

You find it pointless for government to maximize the utility of the greatest number of its citizens?

As I pointed out earlier, that can be defined anyway you want. You could use it to justify putting Jews in gas ovens. A moral code that justifies anything is totally useless.

 

[kaz]

As for socialism, you didn't contradict anything I said. Government plans the economy, it's central planning.

Government doesn't plan the economy under socialism; workers do. You should stop confusing how socialism functioned in Russia with what was intended. Lenin and Stalin crushed worker soviets and substituted state power in their place. It's alleged that Wall Street was behind the counter-revolution.
"Sutton studied at the universities of London,Göttingen, and California, and received hisD.Sc. from the University of Southampton. He was an economics professor at California State University, Los Angeles and a research fellow at Stanford University'sHoover Institution from 1968 to 1973. During his time at the Hoover Institution, he wrote the major study Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development (in three volumes), arguing that the West played a major role in developing the Soviet Union from its very beginnings up until the present time (1970). Sutton argued that the Soviet Union's technological and manufacturing base..."
Antony C. Sutton - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

What you describe is actually capitalism. Workers can completely create and run their own business in capitalism. Socialist governments decide what is best for workers (lol), which always turns out to be what's best for themselves, and then force it on the rest in a ... centrally planned ... economy. Government allows nothing to compete with itself.

 

[kaz]

If you think there's a difference between government and a criminal gang, please point it out.

Criminals gangs don't blame you for the robbery

 

[georgephillip]

What you describe is actually capitalism. Workers can completely create and run their own business in capitalism. Socialist governments decide what is best for workers (lol), which always turns out to be what's best for themselves, and then force it on the rest in a ... centrally planned ... economy. Government allows nothing to compete with itself.

Corporations are examples of central planning. So is the Pentagon. A socialist economy would function more like Mondragon than the USSR.
Mondrag n - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[kaz]

Corporations are examples of central planning

I covered that in my OP post. You are referring to crony capitalism, which I told you is socialism. Crony capitalism is a misnomer, it has nothing to do with capitalism.

So is the Pentagon. A socialist economy would function more like Mondragon than the USSR.
Mondrag n - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The Pentagon is government, you didn't know that? Seriously?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Corporations are examples of central planning.

you mean because there are 40 million of them??

See why we are positive that a liberal will be slow? What other conclusion is possible?

 

[bripat9643]

If you think there's a difference between government and a criminal gang, please point it out.

Criminals gangs don't blame you for the robbery

True. And they don't hector you constantly about all the good things they are doing for you.

 

[bripat9643]

What you describe is actually capitalism. Workers can completely create and run their own business in capitalism. Socialist governments decide what is best for workers (lol), which always turns out to be what's best for themselves, and then force it on the rest in a ... centrally planned ... economy. Government allows nothing to compete with itself.

Corporations are examples of central planning. So is the Pentagon. A socialist economy would function more like Mondragon than the USSR.
Mondrag n - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

So what if you wanted to start your own profit making corporation. Would that be allowed?

 

[Marvin Zinn]

The business of a Democrat controlled government is to make it as hard as possible for a business in the private sector to succeed.
The purpose of a Democrat controlled government is to impose as many taxes as possible in order to force people to be dependent
on government thereby keeping Democrats in power.

Absolutely correct. He is trying to turn us all into slaves. The government business is to protect from the enemy and leave us alone, but the enemy is allowed in the government now.

 

[Dad2three]

You agree to paying it by being a US citizen OR just living in OUR society Bubba. PLEASE go in front of a judge and tell him you never agreed to pay your payroll taxes, lol


You get to be crowned King of Wingernuttervill today Bubba

Wrong, asshole. By no moral, ethical or legal principle is that true. That's the moral code of a Mafia extortionist.

And like I told you, the issue of whether I agreed to pay taxes doesn't come up in a court of law because paying taxes isn't a contractual obligation. The judge doesn't give a shit whether you agreed to it or not. You're the one claiming I agreed, not some judge or the legal code of the United States.

OK, Glad I crowned you King of Wingnutters earlier since you 'think' Gov't is equated to the mafia, lol

The government is indistinguishable from an organized gang of criminals.

"OK, Glad I crowned you King of Wingnutters earlier"

Reality seems crazy to someone as delusional as you.

If you think there's a difference between government and a criminal gang, please point it out.

Well first, IF Gov't was ANYTHING like the mafia, wingnutters like you and the other Klowns who want to shrink it small enough to drown in a tub, wouldn't be breathing today!

 

[bripat9643]

Wrong, asshole. By no moral, ethical or legal principle is that true. That's the moral code of a Mafia extortionist.

And like I told you, the issue of whether I agreed to pay taxes doesn't come up in a court of law because paying taxes isn't a contractual obligation. The judge doesn't give a shit whether you agreed to it or not. You're the one claiming I agreed, not some judge or the legal code of the United States.

OK, Glad I crowned you King of Wingnutters earlier since you 'think' Gov't is equated to the mafia, lol

The government is indistinguishable from an organized gang of criminals.

"OK, Glad I crowned you King of Wingnutters earlier"

Reality seems crazy to someone as delusional as you.

If you think there's a difference between government and a criminal gang, please point it out.

Well first, IF Gov't was ANYTHING like the mafia, wingnutters like you and the other Klowns who want to shrink it small enough to drown in a tub, wouldn't be breathing today!

Nah, instead we just get audited by the IRS and have our applications for 501 C organizations denied.

Did Al Capone kill anyone just because they expressed a negative opinion about his operations? Nope. He only killed people who were trying to move in on his turf, and the government will kill you if you try to move in on its turf.

 

[OnePercenter]

You said it was impossible to build a business without government infrastructure. I proved you wrong. There was no government infrastructure until after WW II. Even now it's not impossible. Huge mines are often built where there are no roads or electricity. However, it's much easier to build a factor where there are already roads and electricity than build all that stuff yourself.

Again, 1820? Who cares.

 

[bripat9643]

You said it was impossible to build a business without government infrastructure. I proved you wrong. There was no government infrastructure until after WW II. Even now it's not impossible. Huge mines are often built where there are no roads or electricity. However, it's much easier to build a factor where there are already roads and electricity than build all that stuff yourself.

Again, 1820? Who cares.

Those who are capable of committing logic understand that the laws of economics don't change over time. Ignoramuses, on the other hand, don't care.

 

[OnePercenter]

Until Obama ascended the thrown, America was one of the wealthiest countries on Earth, despite practising the values you blame for making countries "third world." It appears your theory is faulty.

You forgot the worst financial crash in history, 2008.

Horseshit-------------------1929 was much much worse.

Horseshit------------------- $600+ Trillion, and that's just derivative losses.

 

[bripat9643]

Until Obama ascended the thrown, America was one of the wealthiest countries on Earth, despite practising the values you blame for making countries "third world." It appears your theory is faulty.

You forgot the worst financial crash in history, 2008.

Horseshit-------------------1929 was much much worse.

Horseshit------------------- $600+ Trillion, and that's just derivative losses.

What hole did you pull this $600 trillion figure out of? Don't tell me . . . I know . . . your ass.