The Business of Government is to Promote Happiness or Business?

[Dad2three]

"Now, this is the point where you get to point out any GOP legislation from Republicans that is not targeted to the one percent"

Repub policies tend to favor those who are productive. Dem policies tend to favor those who prefer to feed at the gov't trough.
Ineptocracy _ (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or even try are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

Sure, sure

ONE polity CONSERVATIVES have been on the correct side of history in the USD? Just ONE POLICY?


What GOP POLICY has 'favored'

In 1980 the top 1% earned 8.5% of total income. In 2007 they earned 23%.

In 1980 the bottom 90% earned 68% of total income. In 2007 they earned 53%.

Summary of Latest Federal Income Tax Data Tax Foundation

GOV'T POLICY MATTERS !!!

 

[Redfish]

The problem with assigning government the task of "promoting the general welfare" (or happiness, or health, or whatever goodies people might want) is that it must first decide, for us, what constitutes our general welfare.

If we are not happy with what they decide, we get to vote them out

That doesn't address the problem at all. The problem isn't that the majority might be unhappy with the decision. The problem is that we all have our own definition of the good life. And government should protect our freedom to pursue that vision, rather than dictating what it should be.

The Government represents us. They do as much or as little as we want

If We the People are not happy with their choices, we vote them out

It has happened tens of thousands of times

thats true, but many times the damage is already done. the better solution is to elect people who understand what this country stands for------------------and its not socialism, winger/jake.

Define socialism

To you....socialism is any time the government does anything to help the people

sorry, asshole, your hero obozo the great is really more of a marxist collectivist----------look it up ya fricken jerk.

 

[SAYIT]

Repub policies tend to favor those who are productive. Dem policies tend to favor those who prefer to feed at the gov't trough.
Ineptocracy _ (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or even try are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

Sure, sure...
GOV'T POLICY MATTERS !!!

Indeed it does.
We've had Repub and Dem administrations since 1980 and evidently the top 1% are productive and you are profoundly jealous.

 

[Dad2three]

The role of government is to allow the PURSUIT of happiness, not to guarantee that everyone will find it.

The role of government is to get out of the way of business and let the free market, supply and demand, and individual hard work drive success (or failure).

"just get the hell out of my way" John Galt to the government in Atlas Shrugged.

Prior to FDR the presumption of government was to produce the conditions for the "pursuit of happiness." FDR said, "why stop there, the federal government can produce happiness" ( understood as material well-being ) thus the New Deal, road to socialism and ruination of the principles the Founders spent much time on, in their famous U.S. Constitution, that is now almost up in flames. Obammy is fast closing it out, completely. We poor hard-working sucking taxpayers.

Often misquoted as ‘The business of America is business,” Coolidge really said:

“...After all, the chief business of the American people is business. They are profoundly concerned with producing, buying, selling, investing and prospering in the world. I am strongly of opinion that the great majority of people will always find these are moving impulses of our life. …

Wealth is the product of industry, ambition, character and untiring effort. In all experience, the accumulation of wealth means the multiplication of schools, the increase of knowledge, the dissemination of intelligence, the encouragement of science, the broadening of outlook, the expansion of liberties, the widening of culture.

Of course, the accumulation of wealth cannot be justified as the chief end of existence. But we are compelled to recognize it as a means to well-nigh every desirable achievement. So long as wealth is made the means and not the end, we need not greatly fear it.”
January 17, 1925 Given before the American Society of Newspaper Editors

"We grudge no man a fortune which represents his own power and sagacity, when exercised with entire regard to the welfare of his fellows."


Teddy Roosevelt spoke impassionedly about great wealth, saying that it is "not even enough that it should have been gained without doing damage to the community. We should permit it to be gained only so long as the gaining represents benefit to the community.

"To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father's has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."

From Jefferson's prospectus for his translation of Destutt de Tracy's Treatise on Political Economy, communicated to Joseph Milligan in a letter of April 6, 1816.



The text this quotation appears in has not yet been published by the Papers of Thomas Jefferson: Retirement Series, but you can see Jefferson's retained copy of the prospectus in the Thomas Jefferson Papers at the Library of Congress, online at http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=mtj1&fileName=mtj1page048.db....
Original here:
The Thomas Jefferson Papers Series 1. General Correspondence. 1651-1827

A power to dispose of estates for ever is manifestly absurd. The earth and the fulness of it belongs to every generation, and the preceding one can have no right to bind it up from posterity. Such extension of property is quite unnatural. Thomas Jefferson



The causes which destroyed the ancient republics were numerous; but in Rome, one principal cause was the vast inequality of fortunes. Noah Webster



The disposition to admire, and almost to worship, the rich and the powerful, and to despise, or, at least, to neglect persons of poor and mean condition is the great and most universal cause of the corruption of our moral sentiments. Adam Smith

 

[rightwinger]

If we are not happy with what they decide, we get to vote them out

That doesn't address the problem at all. The problem isn't that the majority might be unhappy with the decision. The problem is that we all have our own definition of the good life. And government should protect our freedom to pursue that vision, rather than dictating what it should be.

The Government represents us. They do as much or as little as we want

If We the People are not happy with their choices, we vote them out

It has happened tens of thousands of times

thats true, but many times the damage is already done. the better solution is to elect people who understand what this country stands for------------------and its not socialism, winger/jake.

Define socialism

To you....socialism is any time the government does anything to help the people

sorry, asshole, your hero obozo the great is really more of a marxist collectivist----------look it up ya fricken jerk.

Ok

Point to any Obama policy that could be considered Marxist Collectivist

Do you even know what the words mean?

 

[SAYIT]

The role of government is to allow the PURSUIT of happiness, not to guarantee that everyone will find it.

The role of government is to get out of the way of business and let the free market, supply and demand, and individual hard work drive success (or failure).

"just get the hell out of my way" John Galt to the government in Atlas Shrugged.

Prior to FDR the presumption of government was to produce the conditions for the "pursuit of happiness." FDR said, "why stop there, the federal government can produce happiness" ( understood as material well-being ) thus the New Deal, road to socialism and ruination of the principles the Founders spent much time on, in their famous U.S. Constitution, that is now almost up in flames. Obammy is fast closing it out, completely. We poor hard-working sucking taxpayers.

Often misquoted as ‘The business of America is business,” Coolidge really said:

“...After all, the chief business of the American people is business. They are profoundly concerned with producing, buying, selling, investing and prospering in the world. I am strongly of opinion that the great majority of people will always find these are moving impulses of our life. …

Wealth is the product of industry, ambition, character and untiring effort. In all experience, the accumulation of wealth means the multiplication of schools, the increase of knowledge, the dissemination of intelligence, the encouragement of science, the broadening of outlook, the expansion of liberties, the widening of culture.

Of course, the accumulation of wealth cannot be justified as the chief end of existence. But we are compelled to recognize it as a means to well-nigh every desirable achievement. So long as wealth is made the means and not the end, we need not greatly fear it.”
January 17, 1925 Given before the American Society of Newspaper Editors

"We grudge no man a fortune which represents his own power and sagacity, when exercised with entire regard to the welfare of his fellows."


Teddy Roosevelt spoke impassionedly about great wealth, saying that it is "not even enough that it should have been gained without doing damage to the community. We should permit it to be gained only so long as the gaining represents benefit to the community.

"To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father's has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."

From Jefferson's prospectus for his translation of Destutt de Tracy's Treatise on Political Economy, communicated to Joseph Milligan in a letter of April 6, 1816.



The text this quotation appears in has not yet been published by the Papers of Thomas Jefferson: Retirement Series, but you can see Jefferson's retained copy of the prospectus in the Thomas Jefferson Papers at the Library of Congress, online at http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=mtj1&fileName=mtj1page048.db....
Original here:
The Thomas Jefferson Papers Series 1. General Correspondence. 1651-1827

A power to dispose of estates for ever is manifestly absurd. The earth and the fulness of it belongs to every generation, and the preceding one can have no right to bind it up from posterity. Such extension of property is quite unnatural. Thomas Jefferson



The causes which destroyed the ancient republics were numerous; but in Rome, one principal cause was the vast inequality of fortunes. Noah Webster



The disposition to admire, and almost to worship, the rich and the powerful, and to despise, or, at least, to neglect persons of poor and mean condition is the great and most universal cause of the corruption of our moral sentiments. Adam Smith

Could I trouble you to post that in a larger font? It will make it seem all the more imperative.

 

[Redfish]

That doesn't address the problem at all. The problem isn't that the majority might be unhappy with the decision. The problem is that we all have our own definition of the good life. And government should protect our freedom to pursue that vision, rather than dictating what it should be.

The Government represents us. They do as much or as little as we want

If We the People are not happy with their choices, we vote them out

It has happened tens of thousands of times

thats true, but many times the damage is already done. the better solution is to elect people who understand what this country stands for------------------and its not socialism, winger/jake.

Define socialism

To you....socialism is any time the government does anything to help the people

sorry, asshole, your hero obozo the great is really more of a marxist collectivist----------look it up ya fricken jerk.

Ok

Point to any Obama policy that could be considered Marxist Collectivist

Do you even know what the words mean?

Obamacare, "I want to redistribute the wealth". "you didn't build that". "fair share" "free jr college" obamaphones.

I could go on for several paragraphs, but maybe you get it--------------probably not.

 

[Dad2three]

DeTocqueville said it this way.

Above this race of men stands an immense and tutelary power, which takes upon itself alone to secure their gratifications and to watch over their fate. That power is absolute, minute, regular, provident, and mild. It would be like the authority of a parent if, like that authority, its object was to prepare men for manhood; but it seeks, on the contrary, to keep them in perpetual childhood: it is well content that the people should rejoice, provided they think of nothing but rejoicing. For their happiness such a government willingly labors, but it chooses to be the sole agent and the only arbiter of that happiness; it provides for their security, foresees and supplies their necessities, facilitates their pleasures, manages their principal concerns, directs their industry, regulates the descent of property, and subdivides their inheritances: what remains, but to spare them all the care of thinking and all the trouble of living?

Aldous Huxley saw it like this

The government of Brave New World retains control by making its citizens so happy and superficially fulfilled that they don’t care about their personal freedom. In Brave New World the consequences of state control are a loss of dignity, morals, values, and emotions—in short, a loss of humanity.

'
Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government. Thomas Jefferson

Faux 'news' and right wing hate radio have taken THAT off the books!

 

[Dad2three]

Socialism - We're all in this boat together, we should help each other...

A noble idea that when enforced by gov't at gunpoint just doesn't work.

Yes, and we see the libertarian wonderland where again? The closest you Klowns have are Somalia or Russia, lol

The closest you socialist BOZOs have to your "Worker's Paradise" is Venezuela and Cuba. Yeah ... let's be like them.

Well No Bubba, I'd take Germany, Sweden, UK, etc. You know most other developed nation who don't allow the 'job creators' to treat US as chattel? lol


HOW ABOUT A SPOT YOU WANT TO COPY, SINCE YOU DON'T LIKE THE WAY THE US HAS BEEN GOING THE PAST 100+ YEARS WITH PROGRESS?

 

[Redfish]

Let's see how that works out in Greece. Under obumble more businesses have closed than started.

I wrote Socialist ideals, not Socialism.

You claim to own a business. Do you split all profits equally with everyone who works for the company? No? Then shut the **** up.

All profits must be split (perfect equality) for socialist ideals (WE are a SOCIETY) to be used?


Okay, let's use the word "socialism," which is somewhat ambiguous.

But we can keep it simple.

Socialism - We're all in this boat together, we should help each other.

Conservatism - Every man for himself!

Let's see how that works out in Greece. Under obumble more businesses have closed than started.

I wrote Socialist ideals, not Socialism.

You claim to own a business. Do you split all profits equally with everyone who works for the company? No? Then shut the **** up.

All profits must be split (perfect equality) for socialist ideals (WE are a SOCIETY) to be used?


Okay, let's use the word "socialism," which is somewhat ambiguous.

But we can keep it simple.

Socialism - We're all in this boat together, we should help each other.

Conservatism - Every man for himself!

Socialism: punish success and reward failure, free rides for the lazy

Conservatism: Work hard and succeed. Help those who are physically or mentally unable to care for themselves.

 

[Dad2three]

The Government represents us. They do as much or as little as we want

If We the People are not happy with their choices, we vote them out

It has happened tens of thousands of times

thats true, but many times the damage is already done. the better solution is to elect people who understand what this country stands for------------------and its not socialism, winger/jake.

Define socialism

To you....socialism is any time the government does anything to help the people

sorry, asshole, your hero obozo the great is really more of a marxist collectivist----------look it up ya fricken jerk.

Ok

Point to any Obama policy that could be considered Marxist Collectivist

Do you even know what the words mean?

Obamacare, "I want to redistribute the wealth". "you didn't build that". "fair share" "free jr college" obamaphones.

I could go on for several paragraphs, but maybe you get it--------------probably not.

So NO, you have NOTHING


John Adams, Founding Father and 2nd President; Thoughts on Government, 1776:

"Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness of the people; and not for the profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, the people alone have an incontestable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to institute government; and to reform, alter, or totally change the same, when their protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness require it."

 

[Redfish]

Socialism - We're all in this boat together, we should help each other...

A noble idea that when enforced by gov't at gunpoint just doesn't work.

Yes, and we see the libertarian wonderland where again? The closest you Klowns have are Somalia or Russia, lol

The closest you socialist BOZOs have to your "Worker's Paradise" is Venezuela and Cuba. Yeah ... let's be like them.

Well No Bubba, I'd take Germany, Sweden, UK, etc. You know most other developed nation who don't allow the 'job creators' to treat US as chattel? lol


HOW ABOUT A SPOT YOU WANT TO COPY, SINCE YOU DON'T LIKE THE WAY THE US HAS BEEN GOING THE PAST 100+ YEARS WITH PROGRESS?

Socialism - We're all in this boat together, we should help each other...

A noble idea that when enforced by gov't at gunpoint just doesn't work.

Yes, and we see the libertarian wonderland where again? The closest you Klowns have are Somalia or Russia, lol

The closest you socialist BOZOs have to your "Worker's Paradise" is Venezuela and Cuba. Yeah ... let's be like them.

Well No Bubba, I'd take Germany, Sweden, UK, etc. You know most other developed nation who don't allow the 'job creators' to treat US as chattel? lol


HOW ABOUT A SPOT YOU WANT TO COPY, SINCE YOU DON'T LIKE THE WAY THE US HAS BEEN GOING THE PAST 100+ YEARS WITH PROGRESS?

then why don't you move to the workers paradise of Sweden, Germany, or the UK? I have been in those countries, its not what you think it is.

 

[Redfish]

thats true, but many times the damage is already done. the better solution is to elect people who understand what this country stands for------------------and its not socialism, winger/jake.

Define socialism

To you....socialism is any time the government does anything to help the people

sorry, asshole, your hero obozo the great is really more of a marxist collectivist----------look it up ya fricken jerk.

Ok

Point to any Obama policy that could be considered Marxist Collectivist

Do you even know what the words mean?

Obamacare, "I want to redistribute the wealth". "you didn't build that". "fair share" "free jr college" obamaphones.

I could go on for several paragraphs, but maybe you get it--------------probably not.

So NO, you have NOTHING


John Adams, Founding Father and 2nd President; Thoughts on Government, 1776:

"Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness of the people; and not for the profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, the people alone have an incontestable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to institute government; and to reform, alter, or totally change the same, when their protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness require it."

where does Adams advocate for a welfare state. Adams based that quote on a country where everyone was working. He was also correct that we get the govt that we vote for. You fools elected obama twice so you are responsible for the mess he has made.

 

[Dad2three]

Repub policies tend to favor those who are productive. Dem policies tend to favor those who prefer to feed at the gov't trough.
Ineptocracy _ (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or even try are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

Sure, sure...
GOV'T POLICY MATTERS !!!

Indeed it does.
We've had Repub and Dem administrations since 1980 and evidently the top 1% are productive and you are profoundly jealous.

Weird, yet from 1945-1980 the top 1% ONLY had 6%-9% of ALL US income? HMM

I guess those guys were lazy? Uneducated? WHAT?

Non-Partisan Congressional Tax Report Debunks Core Conservative Economic Theory


The conclusion?

Lowering the tax rates on the wealthy and top earners in America do not appear to have any impact on the nation’s economic growth.

This paragraph from the report says it all—

“The reduction in the top tax rates appears to be uncorrelated with saving, investment and productivity growth. The top tax rates appear to have little or no relation to the size of the economic pie. However, the top tax rate reductions appear to be associated with the increasing concentration of income at the top of the income distribution.”

Non-Partisan Congressional Tax Report Debunks Core Conservative Economic Theory-GOP Suppresses Study - Forbes

 

[Dad2three]

Prior to FDR the presumption of government was to produce the conditions for the "pursuit of happiness." FDR said, "why stop there, the federal government can produce happiness" ( understood as material well-being ) thus the New Deal, road to socialism and ruination of the principles the Founders spent much time on, in their famous U.S. Constitution, that is now almost up in flames. Obammy is fast closing it out, completely. We poor hard-working sucking taxpayers.

Often misquoted as ‘The business of America is business,” Coolidge really said:

“...After all, the chief business of the American people is business. They are profoundly concerned with producing, buying, selling, investing and prospering in the world. I am strongly of opinion that the great majority of people will always find these are moving impulses of our life. …

Wealth is the product of industry, ambition, character and untiring effort. In all experience, the accumulation of wealth means the multiplication of schools, the increase of knowledge, the dissemination of intelligence, the encouragement of science, the broadening of outlook, the expansion of liberties, the widening of culture.

Of course, the accumulation of wealth cannot be justified as the chief end of existence. But we are compelled to recognize it as a means to well-nigh every desirable achievement. So long as wealth is made the means and not the end, we need not greatly fear it.”
January 17, 1925 Given before the American Society of Newspaper Editors

"We grudge no man a fortune which represents his own power and sagacity, when exercised with entire regard to the welfare of his fellows."


Teddy Roosevelt spoke impassionedly about great wealth, saying that it is "not even enough that it should have been gained without doing damage to the community. We should permit it to be gained only so long as the gaining represents benefit to the community.

"To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father's has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."

From Jefferson's prospectus for his translation of Destutt de Tracy's Treatise on Political Economy, communicated to Joseph Milligan in a letter of April 6, 1816.



The text this quotation appears in has not yet been published by the Papers of Thomas Jefferson: Retirement Series, but you can see Jefferson's retained copy of the prospectus in the Thomas Jefferson Papers at the Library of Congress, online at http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=mtj1&fileName=mtj1page048.db....
Original here:
The Thomas Jefferson Papers Series 1. General Correspondence. 1651-1827

A power to dispose of estates for ever is manifestly absurd. The earth and the fulness of it belongs to every generation, and the preceding one can have no right to bind it up from posterity. Such extension of property is quite unnatural. Thomas Jefferson



The causes which destroyed the ancient republics were numerous; but in Rome, one principal cause was the vast inequality of fortunes. Noah Webster



The disposition to admire, and almost to worship, the rich and the powerful, and to despise, or, at least, to neglect persons of poor and mean condition is the great and most universal cause of the corruption of our moral sentiments. Adam Smith

Could I trouble you to post that in a larger font? It will make it seem all the more imperative.

Wanted to make it large enough for the right wing seniors, just about the only ones stupid enough to believe GOP today

 

[Dad2three]

Let's see how that works out in Greece. Under obumble more businesses have closed than started.

I wrote Socialist ideals, not Socialism.

You claim to own a business. Do you split all profits equally with everyone who works for the company? No? Then shut the **** up.

All profits must be split (perfect equality) for socialist ideals (WE are a SOCIETY) to be used?


Okay, let's use the word "socialism," which is somewhat ambiguous.

But we can keep it simple.

Socialism - We're all in this boat together, we should help each other.

Conservatism - Every man for himself!

Let's see how that works out in Greece. Under obumble more businesses have closed than started.

I wrote Socialist ideals, not Socialism.

You claim to own a business. Do you split all profits equally with everyone who works for the company? No? Then shut the **** up.

All profits must be split (perfect equality) for socialist ideals (WE are a SOCIETY) to be used?


Okay, let's use the word "socialism," which is somewhat ambiguous.

But we can keep it simple.

Socialism - We're all in this boat together, we should help each other.

Conservatism - Every man for himself!

Socialism: punish success and reward failure, free rides for the lazy

Conservatism: Work hard and succeed. Help those who are physically or mentally unable to care for themselves.

"Conservatism: Work hard and succeed. Help those who are physically or mentally unable to care for themselves."

 

[bripat9643]

Socialism - We're all in this boat together, we should help each other...

A noble idea that when enforced by gov't at gunpoint just doesn't work.

Yes, and we see the libertarian wonderland where again? The closest you Klowns have are Somalia or Russia, lol

The closest you socialist BOZOs have to your "Worker's Paradise" is Venezuela and Cuba. Yeah ... let's be like them.

Well No Bubba, I'd take Germany, Sweden, UK, etc. You know most other developed nation who don't allow the 'job creators' to treat US as chattel? lol


HOW ABOUT A SPOT YOU WANT TO COPY, SINCE YOU DON'T LIKE THE WAY THE US HAS BEEN GOING THE PAST 100+ YEARS WITH PROGRESS?

Whenever you ask a leftwinger for an example of successful socialism they always list countries like German and Sweden that are largely capitalist. their idea of successful is where socialism hasn't gone to the point where it completely destroys the country. Of course, the more socialist a country gets, the faster it swirls down the drain. Hence we have countries like Cuba and Venezuela. Yet, somehow these countries aren't "socialist." They are "third world."

 

[bripat9643]

thats true, but many times the damage is already done. the better solution is to elect people who understand what this country stands for------------------and its not socialism, winger/jake.

Define socialism

To you....socialism is any time the government does anything to help the people

sorry, asshole, your hero obozo the great is really more of a marxist collectivist----------look it up ya fricken jerk.

Ok

Point to any Obama policy that could be considered Marxist Collectivist

Do you even know what the words mean?

Obamacare, "I want to redistribute the wealth". "you didn't build that". "fair share" "free jr college" obamaphones.

I could go on for several paragraphs, but maybe you get it--------------probably not.

So NO, you have NOTHING


John Adams, Founding Father and 2nd President; Thoughts on Government, 1776:

"Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness of the people; and not for the profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, the people alone have an incontestable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to institute government; and to reform, alter, or totally change the same, when their protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness require it."

When John Adams referred to "the people" he didn't mean all the deadbeats and freeloaders.

 

[Dad2three]

Socialism - We're all in this boat together, we should help each other...

A noble idea that when enforced by gov't at gunpoint just doesn't work.

Yes, and we see the libertarian wonderland where again? The closest you Klowns have are Somalia or Russia, lol

The closest you socialist BOZOs have to your "Worker's Paradise" is Venezuela and Cuba. Yeah ... let's be like them.

Well No Bubba, I'd take Germany, Sweden, UK, etc. You know most other developed nation who don't allow the 'job creators' to treat US as chattel? lol


HOW ABOUT A SPOT YOU WANT TO COPY, SINCE YOU DON'T LIKE THE WAY THE US HAS BEEN GOING THE PAST 100+ YEARS WITH PROGRESS?

Socialism - We're all in this boat together, we should help each other...

A noble idea that when enforced by gov't at gunpoint just doesn't work.

Yes, and we see the libertarian wonderland where again? The closest you Klowns have are Somalia or Russia, lol

The closest you socialist BOZOs have to your "Worker's Paradise" is Venezuela and Cuba. Yeah ... let's be like them.

Well No Bubba, I'd take Germany, Sweden, UK, etc. You know most other developed nation who don't allow the 'job creators' to treat US as chattel? lol


HOW ABOUT A SPOT YOU WANT TO COPY, SINCE YOU DON'T LIKE THE WAY THE US HAS BEEN GOING THE PAST 100+ YEARS WITH PROGRESS?

then why don't you move to the workers paradise of Sweden, Germany, or the UK? I have been in those countries, its not what you think it is.

Been to MANY European nations Bubba. There is no paradise, but they don't ALLOW the BULLSHIT the US does (mainly), like no paid time off for sick leave, disability pay, mandatory vacation, etc...

Yes, right wingers are growing there thanks to billionaires and their 'think tanks' that push lies and propaganda, but unlike the baby America, they understand the benefits of a society and enjoy much greater social democracies than the US, who right wingers would prefer to suck off the billionaires instead of recognizing US as a SOCIETY...

 

[Dad2three]

Define socialism

To you....socialism is any time the government does anything to help the people

sorry, asshole, your hero obozo the great is really more of a marxist collectivist----------look it up ya fricken jerk.

Ok

Point to any Obama policy that could be considered Marxist Collectivist

Do you even know what the words mean?

Obamacare, "I want to redistribute the wealth". "you didn't build that". "fair share" "free jr college" obamaphones.

I could go on for several paragraphs, but maybe you get it--------------probably not.

So NO, you have NOTHING


John Adams, Founding Father and 2nd President; Thoughts on Government, 1776:

"Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness of the people; and not for the profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, the people alone have an incontestable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to institute government; and to reform, alter, or totally change the same, when their protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness require it."

When John Adams referred to "the people" he didn't mean all the deadbeats and freeloaders.

True, Corps were VERY limited in scope back then I guess....