The Boston Tea Party was an act of terrorism

[sealybobo]

IOW, your continued bleating about paying more so American union workers can get paid more is just lip service to the idea. Everyone ELSE is supposed to buy American, just not you.

Either way, you're going to pay more. Either for foreign goods or Made in America. So when are you getting your raise?

You are going to pay $2400 more a year just for trump's tariffs. On average. You are a baller so you will probably spend more. If you are one of the blue collar idiots Trump says he's doing this for, please let me know when this results in you MAKING $2400 more.

My buddy just said he gets no tax on overtime. Maybe that's one way he's helping you blue collar out? I work on salary plus commission. I only work 40 hours a week while THE REST OF YOU work overtime. I'm no dope.

The jobs coming home won't be union jobs. Nor will they be high paying jobs. Nor will there be A LOT of jobs because most of it will be automated AI.

The American companies who've gotten richer and richer and richer since the 70's, they will make out on all this. You won't. I won't. Blue collar won't. I wish I was wrong but clearly Trump's conning you dopes with this long game approach to "fixing" what's wrong with our economy. It's so obvious. Not what Trump the candidate promised.

 

[hadit]

Either way, you're going to pay more. Either for foreign goods or Made in America. So when are you getting your raise?

Probably in another year or so. That's the way my industry works.

You are going to pay $2400 more a year just for trump's tariffs. On average. You are a baller so you will probably spend more. If you are one of the blue collar idiots Trump says he's doing this for, please let me know when this results in you MAKING $2400 more.

My buddy just said he gets no tax on overtime. Maybe that's one way he's helping you blue collar out? I work on salary plus commission. I only work 40 hours a week while THE REST OF YOU work overtime. I'm no dope.

And, of course, you short change American workers by refusing to buy their products. I like seeing you try to pretend you know how I work.

The jobs coming home won't be union jobs. Nor will they be high paying jobs. Nor will there be A LOT of jobs because most of it will be automated AI.

Just for your edumacation, there won't be many more high paying union jobs no matter what gets done due to automation. The days of a guy getting out of high school, working the assembly line for 40 years and retiring with a gold watch and huge pension are gone. The rest of the world caught up.

The American companies who've gotten richer and richer and richer since the 70's, they will make out on all this. You won't. I won't. Blue collar won't. I wish I was wrong but clearly Trump's conning you dopes with this long game approach to "fixing" what's wrong with our economy. It's so obvious. Not what Trump the candidate promised.

And as companies do better and better, I will as well, since they pay me.

 

[sealybobo]

Probably in another year or so. That's the way my industry works.

And, of course, you short change American workers by refusing to buy their products. I like seeing you try to pretend you know how I work.

Just for your edumacation, there won't be many more high paying union jobs no matter what gets done due to automation. The days of a guy getting out of high school, working the assembly line for 40 years and retiring with a gold watch and huge pension are gone. The rest of the world caught up.

And as companies do better and better, I will as well, since they pay me.

What I'm noticing right now is that American corporations are gouging us. Why are their prices going up right now too? I get why something made in the UK is going up, or the Easter Islands, but why are American products going up in price too?

Just because your company is doing better and better doesn't mean they are going to pay you. We've seen from the late 70's to now the CEO's pay went up 1322% and your pay only went up 18%. I mean OUR pay. The average man.

You say as companies do better and better, so will you because you work for them? What an ignorant statement to say. As if they always pass on the profits to the employees. What a dope.

The last time I remember it happening the way you describe was the late 90's. Just before Bush, Republicans and Corporations sent all those high paying manufacturing jobs to Mexico and China. Google Ford Record Profits and Record Profit Sharing 1999. Then do 1998. Then 97, and keep going back. Every year Ford had record profits, they gave record profit sharing. Those days are gone. Today if your company does better, the white collar at your company do better. Everyone else doesn't even get a cost of living raise.

Like I said, in the last 45 years CEO pay went up 1322% and your pay only went up 18% dummy

CEO pay in the US has increased by a significant 1,322% since 1978, according to the Economic Policy Institute (EPI). This dramatic rise contrasts with a much smaller 18% increase in typical worker compensation during the same period. This disparity has led to a significant widening of the CEO-to-worker pay ratio, with CEOs earning 351 times more than typical workers in 2020.

 

[Mushroom]

And, of course, you short change American workers by refusing to buy their products. I like seeing you try to pretend you know how I work.

It has to be remembered, a lot of people want their cake and eat it too.

They want to pay the absolutely cheapest prices possible, even if it is to what is largely a nation of slave labor. And at the same time cry about the weakening of US Unions.

And this crying is nothing new. I am old enough to remember almost five decades ago when US Unions were trying hard to get people in the US to stop buying the cheaper imports and concentrate on "Buying American".



This was quite a commercial back in the day, but in the end it made absolutely no difference. The International Ladies Garment Worker's Union ultimately collapsed in 1995. Once the union was dissolved, the few remaining workers joined UNITE, the Hotel and Restaurant Employees union.

I always find it hilarious to be honest, when people claim to support US workers, and at the exact same time cry and scream against tariffs designed to protect those very same US workers. And at the same time whine about a 10% tariff on imports, completely ignoring that the same country has a 30% tariff on imports to their country.

Of course, I am also aware that this is likely the very same people that fifteen years ago were screaming that "Big Box Stores" were destroying local businesses (that they likely never shopped at in the first place), and completely ignored the juggernaut of on-line sales that was the real cause.

 

[Mushroom]

Just because your company is doing better and better doesn't mean they are going to pay you. We've seen from the late 70's to now the CEO's pay went up 1322% and your pay only went up 18%. I mean OUR pay. The average man.

Like I said, in the last 45 years CEO pay went up 1322% and your pay only went up 18% dummy

OK, first 1970s, then 45 years. So let's just stick to 45 years, which makes it 1980.

OK, wages went up 18%. Do you know how much inflation was in the past 45 years?

13%.

So if somebody ignores your garbage Class Warfare nonsense, workers are now making 5% more than they were in 1980, adjusted for inflation.

And tell me, what percent of the things you buy are made in the US? Are you driving an American Car? Are most of the things you purchase when possible made in the US? Or are you like most people and just get the cheapest thing you can find?

In other words, are you part of the solution, or just a whiner who is really part of the problem? I can answer part of that for myself real easily. The last import vehicle I have ever owned was actually way back in 2000, and even that was from Japan with a US marque so it barely counts. The same with the two cars I owned before that. The simple fact is, other than the car my dad gave me in 1981, I have never owned an import car. I have also owned 4 motorcycles, only the first an import. The other three were made by Honda, but all of them were made in the US.

I am one of the few I know that does not buy online. The last time I bought anything online was 15 years ago, when I had no choice because I was overseas and the selection at the exchange was crap. Everything I have ever bought other than during that year has been purchased from local stores when possible, only "big box" when there was no other way to buy something.

 

[sealybobo]

OK, first 1970s, then 45 years. So let's just stick to 45 years, which makes it 1980.

OK, wages went up 18%. Do you know how much inflation was in the past 45 years?

13%.

So if somebody ignores your garbage Class Warfare nonsense, workers are now making 5% more than they were in 1980, adjusted for inflation.

And tell me, what percent of the things you buy are made in the US? Are you driving an American Car? Are most of the things you purchase when possible made in the US? Or are you like most people and just get the cheapest thing you can find?

In other words, are you part of the solution, or just a whiner who is really part of the problem? I can answer part of that for myself real easily. The last import vehicle I have ever owned was actually way back in 2000, and even that was from Japan with a US marque so it barely counts. The same with the two cars I owned before that. The simple fact is, other than the car my dad gave me in 1981, I have never owned an import car. I have also owned 4 motorcycles, only the first an import. The other three were made by Honda, but all of them were made in the US.

I am one of the few I know that does not buy online. The last time I bought anything online was 15 years ago, when I had no choice because I was overseas and the selection at the exchange was crap. Everything I have ever bought other than during that year has been purchased from local stores when possible, only "big box" when there was no other way to buy something.

Whatever dope. I went with the flow in the 2000's when you guys were shipping all those high paying blue collar jobs oveseas. i warned you all, but you didn't listen. You attacked those blue collar workers. Said they were overpaid union workers. Today you guys claim you want to bring their jobs back home. No you don't.

But I go with the flow. Because I will thrive in a GOP or Democratic environment. But being a worker, I know if it were not for Democrats, I wouldn't be doing as well as I am. I see which party is better for me. At least in my lifetime. I started working professionally in 1995.

the US created about 51 million jobs since 1989, with 50 million of those being added during Democratic administrations. Fact-checkers have confirmed the numerical accuracy of this statistic

 

[Mushroom]

I went with the flow in the 2000's when you guys were shipping all those high paying blue collar jobs oveseas.

Who exactly is "you guys"? I can guarantee you do not have a clue what my political beliefs are.

And in the 2000's? Holy crap, if you were going with it at that time period, you were already a decade or two too late. By the early-mid 1990s most of the US industry and manufacturing had already left the country.

And come on now, "added jobs"? Sure, a hell of a lot of low paying no skills jobs have been added. Manufacturing is largely dead and gone in the US. But those were never really "high paying" jobs, but they were comfortable middle class jobs.

As I expected, you ignore anything you do not like, and simply spin around in circles making attacks. Let me know if you ever want to actually have a discussion and not simply knee-jerk your way through everything.

 

[hadit]

What I'm noticing right now is that American corporations are gouging us. Why are their prices going up right now too? I get why something made in the UK is going up, or the Easter Islands, but why are American products going up in price too?

Just because your company is doing better and better doesn't mean they are going to pay you. We've seen from the late 70's to now the CEO's pay went up 1322% and your pay only went up 18%. I mean OUR pay. The average man.

You say as companies do better and better, so will you because you work for them? What an ignorant statement to say. As if they always pass on the profits to the employees. What a dope.

This is where you admit you don't know anything about my work. I am a consultant and do IT work for multiple companies at the same time. As they become more profitable, my IT services become more valuable and my billable hours go up. In addition, my company raises my billing rate to account for cost of living increases to keep me happy and from jumping ship. This is what happens when you are valuable. So, yes, when companies do well I do too. It's when they don't do well that I have to watch out.

The last time I remember it happening the way you describe was the late 90's. Just before Bush, Republicans and Corporations sent all those high paying manufacturing jobs to Mexico and China. Google Ford Record Profits and Record Profit Sharing 1999. Then do 1998. Then 97, and keep going back. Every year Ford had record profits, they gave record profit sharing. Those days are gone. Today if your company does better, the white collar at your company do better. Everyone else doesn't even get a cost of living raise.

You like to whine about "Bush, Republicans and Corporations". Tell us, how many of those corporations were and are headed by democrats? How many of those CEOs raking in the big bucks are democrats? What happened to American jobs under Bubba Clinton? I remember something about NAFTA.

You like to pretend that it's only Republicans making you feel bad about yourself, look again. You're being played for a fool and loving it.

Like I said, in the last 45 years CEO pay went up 1322% and your pay only went up 18% dummy

It's a lot cheaper to pay one CEO 10 mil than to pay 50,000 employees 200 K. I know math is hard for the left, but it's real. I worked for Circuit City in their heyday. If they had taken the CEO's entire annual salary and divided it up among all the employees everyone would have gotten maybe a few hundred bucks. Yippee skippee.

CEO pay in the US has increased by a significant 1,322% since 1978, according to the Economic Policy Institute (EPI). This dramatic rise contrasts with a much smaller 18% increase in typical worker compensation during the same period. This disparity has led to a significant widening of the CEO-to-worker pay ratio, with CEOs earning 351 times more than typical workers in 2020.

Yup, democrat CEO's, raking it in while the average guy takes it in the shorts. You really need to get on that right away. Now, you want all that pay to go up, but you complain when prices go up. You can't increase a company's labor costs by 50% and not see their prices go up to match. The bottom line is, the consumers drive everything. If they demand higher pay for workers and refuse to buy from low-end places sourcing from China, guess what's going to happen?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

We know Mushroom is not pro-America.

 

[sealybobo]

Who exactly is "you guys"? I can guarantee you do not have a clue what my political beliefs are.

And in the 2000's? Holy crap, if you were going with it at that time period, you were already a decade or two too late. By the early-mid 1990s most of the US industry and manufacturing had already left the country.

And come on now, "added jobs"? Sure, a hell of a lot of low paying no skills jobs have been added. Manufacturing is largely dead and gone in the US. But those were never really "high paying" jobs, but they were comfortable middle class jobs.

As I expected, you ignore anything you do not like, and simply spin around in circles making attacks. Let me know if you ever want to actually have a discussion and not simply knee-jerk your way through everything.

It's hard to talk to someone as wrong as you are.

The most significant loss of manufacturing jobs in the US occurred during the 2000s, particularly from 2000 to 2010. While the decline began earlier, this decade saw a substantial drop, with some estimates indicating the loss of one-third of all manufacturing jobs during that period

 

[mikegriffith1]

Another fail thread by Humpty Dumbte.

I agree. At least he didn't refer to himself in the third person, as he is often wont to do.

 

[hadit]

It's hard to talk to someone as wrong as you are.

The most significant loss of manufacturing jobs in the US occurred during the 2000s, particularly from 2000 to 2010. While the decline began earlier, this decade saw a substantial drop, with some estimates indicating the loss of one-third of all manufacturing jobs during that period

And the presidents during that time were what, democrats or Republicans?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Of course the article was written by a black man. Of course it would contain, at best, a few half truths. If this is what passes for history, Theodore has been victimized by educational malpractice.

Who was The Boston Tea Party intending to terrorize? Certainly not the citizens of Boston. Actually no one. Not even the British were terrorized. The perpetrators were wealthy men making a point by destroying their own import in opposition to unfair taxes. The Boston Tea Party was the best kind of political theater. No one lost anything because the men who led this charge for freedom paid for the entirety of the destroyed cargo, including the tax.

What I would like to see are blacks paying for the destruction blacks do in stores and restaurants when they get into a monkey fit. Then they can compare themselves to the men who sacrificed their lives and their sacred honor for the cause of freedom.

 

[sealybobo]

And the presidents during that time were what, democrats or Republicans?

Bush 2000's. I remember all those high paying union manufacturing jobs going overseas and while Bush was doing it, you were providing him with cover when you attacked those union workers.

I remember you guys said Ford and GM could not afford to pay their employees as much as they were paying them. Then I showed you this from the 90's and honestly, I don't see the problem. This is when America was great. 1999, 98, 97. Sure the beginning of the end of the great middle class started on Reagan/Bush's watch. They invented NAFTA you know? But it really picked up steam under Bush.

In 1999, Ford employees received a record-breaking average profit-sharing check of $8,000. This payout, the 14th under the company's profit-sharing plan since its inception in 1982, was a result of record earnings for Ford in 1998

You said a car company making record profits could not afford to pay it's employees so well. You said these employees were ruining the company.

You mean the company making record profits? God you're dumb.

 

[hadit]

Bush 2000's. I remember all those high paying union manufacturing jobs going overseas and while Bush was doing it, you were providing him with cover when you attacked those union workers.

I remember you guys said Ford and GM could not afford to pay their employees as much as they were paying them. Then I showed you this from the 90's and honestly, I don't see the problem. This is when America was great. 1999, 98, 97. Sure the beginning of the end of the great middle class started on Reagan/Bush's watch. They invented NAFTA you know? But it really picked up steam under Bush.

In 1999, Ford employees received a record-breaking average profit-sharing check of $8,000. This payout, the 14th under the company's profit-sharing plan since its inception in 1982, was a result of record earnings for Ford in 1998

You said a car company making record profits could not afford to pay it's employees so well. You said these employees were ruining the company.

You mean the company making record profits? God you're dumb.

And what happened to those jobs when Bubba took over? Did he bring them back, raise pay, increase union membership? Any democrat's name is glaringly missing from your diatribes.

 

[Mushroom]

The most significant loss of manufacturing jobs in the US occurred during the 2000s, particularly from 2000 to 2010.

Right, sure it was. Of course, by 1990s almost the entire US clothing, textile, shipbuilding, electronics, manufacturing, and automotive industries had already collapsed.

The reality is, that there was almost nothing left to lose by the 2000s, so it largely stabilized.

All three of those charts point out that you are wrong. The decline had started long before the 2000s, many of the key industries by then had already left the US and would not return. I find it fascinating that you are completely ignoring decades prior to 2000, and trying to pretend they never happened. Or screaming that fractional losses after 60% or more of the manufacturing sector had already left does not exist and does not matter.

Oh, and see the above? Those are known as "References". Can you say "References"? I knew you couldn't.

You see, this is the difference. I can back up what I say, you just blather on and make things up, screaming everybody else is wrong and you are right. I however am not afraid to back up what I say with facts validating what I am saying. The most significant losses were from 1970-1995. That is when US manufacturing crashed, not the 2000's. I can only guess that was before you were born or when you were a child, as you have no idea what things were like before 2000.

But I am about done with this and you. Now bring up something to confirm your claims that most of the losses were in the 2000s, and not in the three decades before that.

And remember, the term "Rust Belt" had a lot of traction back in the 1980s. What used to be the major steel and industrial manufacturing hub that had seen almost a total collapse decades before your claim of it being in the 2000s.

 

[sealybobo]

Right, sure it was. Of course, by 1990s almost the entire US clothing, textile, shipbuilding, electronics, manufacturing, and automotive industries had already collapsed.

The reality is, that there was almost nothing left to lose by the 2000s, so it largely stabilized.

All three of those charts point out that you are wrong. The decline had started long before the 2000s, many of the key industries by then had already left the US and would not return. I find it fascinating that you are completely ignoring decades prior to 2000, and trying to pretend they never happened. Or screaming that fractional losses after 60% or more of the manufacturing sector had already left does not exist and does not matter.

Oh, and see the above? Those are known as "References". Can you say "References"? I knew you couldn't.

You see, this is the difference. I can back up what I say, you just blather on and make things up, screaming everybody else is wrong and you are right. I however am not afraid to back up what I say with facts validating what I am saying. The most significant losses were from 1970-1995. That is when US manufacturing crashed, not the 2000's. I can only guess that was before you were born or when you were a child, as you have no idea what things were like before 2000.

But I am about done with this and you. Now bring up something to confirm your claims that most of the losses were in the 2000s, and not in the three decades before that.

And remember, the term "Rust Belt" had a lot of traction back in the 1980s. What used to be the major steel and industrial manufacturing hub that had seen almost a total collapse decades before your claim of it being in the 2000s.

The decline started before 2000 but really picked up steam in the 2000's. It has a lot to do with the housing crash. Why so many people lost their homes.

I love how you MAGA's just blow off facts

In the 2000s, the U.S. manufacturing sector experienced a significant decline, resulting in the loss of approximately 5.5 million jobs between 2000 and 2017, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (.gov). This loss was particularly pronounced during the 2001 recession and the subsequent recovery period. While some job losses were due to automation and other factors, a large portion was attributed to increased global competition and trade deficits.
And BTW, who gives a **** about textiles and clothing? Manufacturing, car manufacturing in particular, is way more important. Of course we make shoes in China.
During the 1990s, the U.S. economy experienced a mix of job gains and losses, with the decade seeing a net increase in jobs overall. However, the early part of the decade was marked by a recession that led to significant job losses, particularly in goods-producing industries like manufacturing and construction. While the Federal government also experienced job losses, particularly in the Department of Defense, the overall trend in the 1990s was one of job growth.

 

[Dante]

the summer of 2020 and the recent anti semitic, anti Ice riots were and are ..

Alert!!

Trump’s Selective Stance on Justice: Redemption for Some, Scorn for Others​

President Trump, himself a felon, has shown particular leniency to criminals he seems to identify with — people who are white or wealthy, or who rioted in his name on Jan. 6, 2021.

 

[Zebra]

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