‘The blinkers have been removed’: American voters are changing their minds on Netanyahu and Israel

[surada]

Antisemires always lack moral reasoning. Fat little Welshmen, doubly so, apparently

Hamas lists the genocide of Jews as one of their missions -- it says they wish to "kill Jews until they hide behind rocks and trees". Following through on this promise, they lob missiles indiscriminately hoping to murder any Jew they can murder. It is only because they lack the capability that they do not murder any more than they do.

Israel never does this. They could absolutely destroy the so-called "Palestinians", but they never just send a rocket trying to kill whoever they can kill like Hamas. Instead, they target the actual rocket positions, instead. It is cause and effect, here. Hamas trying to murder Jews is the cause, and Israel taking out the rockets trying to kill them is the effect. If Hamas didn't fire rockets, Israel would not respond yet mental midgets like the fat little Welshmen ignore that. He ignores the fact that Hamas is motivated by the desire to murder and Israel responds due to the need to protect, and there is a reason for that.

The reason lies in the antisemitism. Despite the way these wretched, hateful creatures dress up their verbiage with the typical Marxist crap about so-called "oppressors" and call Jews "zionist entity" and prattle on about "occupiers" their solidarity with Hamas stems from their shared desire for dead Jews.

The Avalon Project : The Tenet Plan : Israeli-Palestinian Ceasefire and Security Plan, Proposed by CIA Director George Tenet; June 13, 2001

avalon.law.yale.edu

 

[irosie91]

‘The blinkers have been removed’: American voters are changing their minds on Netanyahu and Israel

‘He is going to quickly find out that his credit in American power circles is getting close to junk bond status’

www.independent.co.uk

Yet it’s not just in the halls of power that Netanyahu’s embrace of the GOP has been a losing bet. Support for Israel, long a political article of faith in the US Jewish community, has been tempered by a concern for human rights among American Jews, particularly those in the younger generation who did not appreciate the way he treated the Obama administration.

Logan Bayroff, a spokesperson for the liberal pro-Israel group J Street, said Netanyahu’s 2015 speech was a “huge inflection point”. He explained that groups like J Street were able to successfully make the case to US officials that Netanyahu did not actually speak for all Israelis, and that there were “a number of voices in Israel, and in the Israeli security establishment in particular, who thought the [Iran nuclear] deal was good and good for Israel… and that Democrats and Americans don’t have to go along with things just because he said so.”

Mr Bayroff sounds like the voice of reason. These right wing extremists need to be isolated so that saner voices can be heard, However Trump still needs the support of the Christian second coming crowd to get elected. His upcoming convictions may hamper that dread event.

One of many points left unaddressed in that amateurish opinion piece is the fact that those homeless Gazans are a direct result of Hamas waging war using civilians as cover.

Did you know that there are credible reports claiming 20% of the Iranian supplied rockets malfunctioned and fell into Gaza, killing Gaza civilians?

The fumbling, incompetent heroes of the self-hating left are very selective about the content of their opinions,

Most Gazans were't born in Gaza, They were forced out of East Jeruslem, the West Bank and the Negev.. Its pretty crowded.

Forced out? Like, at the point of a gun?



The spin is so pathetic.

Let Israel either completely destroy Gaza or be destroyed. It matters not, as long as we get the fuck out of the way.

Yes.. Israel continues to take homes, farmland and destroy 10s of thousands of olive trees. Most Gazans are refugees.

BULLSHIT

beyond bullshit------but to paraphrase an entertainer of the past----YOU AIN'T SEEN
NUTHIN' YET-----for pure unbridled shit and filth-----visit a mosque on friday----where
ENGLISH IS USED (mosques which serve persons of southeast Asia use english)---for a lesson
in REALLY STINKING SHIT OF BULLS------stay for the KHUTBAH JUMAAT----that is a kind of
shitty call to islamic filth in place of the usual christian SERMON. Of course the KHUTBAHS in arabic are just as shitty-----but----it's arabic

Why do you go to mosque if you hate Islam and Arabs?

I was very young and very friendly and CURIOUS-----and was invited. I learned
quite a bit by the experience. Your question is silly as is your idiot accusation.

 

[surada]

‘The blinkers have been removed’: American voters are changing their minds on Netanyahu and Israel

‘He is going to quickly find out that his credit in American power circles is getting close to junk bond status’

www.independent.co.uk

Yet it’s not just in the halls of power that Netanyahu’s embrace of the GOP has been a losing bet. Support for Israel, long a political article of faith in the US Jewish community, has been tempered by a concern for human rights among American Jews, particularly those in the younger generation who did not appreciate the way he treated the Obama administration.

Logan Bayroff, a spokesperson for the liberal pro-Israel group J Street, said Netanyahu’s 2015 speech was a “huge inflection point”. He explained that groups like J Street were able to successfully make the case to US officials that Netanyahu did not actually speak for all Israelis, and that there were “a number of voices in Israel, and in the Israeli security establishment in particular, who thought the [Iran nuclear] deal was good and good for Israel… and that Democrats and Americans don’t have to go along with things just because he said so.”

Mr Bayroff sounds like the voice of reason. These right wing extremists need to be isolated so that saner voices can be heard, However Trump still needs the support of the Christian second coming crowd to get elected. His upcoming convictions may hamper that dread event.

One of many points left unaddressed in that amateurish opinion piece is the fact that those homeless Gazans are a direct result of Hamas waging war using civilians as cover.

Did you know that there are credible reports claiming 20% of the Iranian supplied rockets malfunctioned and fell into Gaza, killing Gaza civilians?

The fumbling, incompetent heroes of the self-hating left are very selective about the content of their opinions,

Most Gazans were't born in Gaza, They were forced out of East Jeruslem, the West Bank and the Negev.. Its pretty crowded.

Forced out? Like, at the point of a gun?



The spin is so pathetic.

Let Israel either completely destroy Gaza or be destroyed. It matters not, as long as we get the fuck out of the way.

Yes.. Israel continues to take homes, farmland and destroy 10s of thousands of olive trees. Most Gazans are refugees.

BULLSHIT

beyond bullshit------but to paraphrase an entertainer of the past----YOU AIN'T SEEN
NUTHIN' YET-----for pure unbridled shit and filth-----visit a mosque on friday----where
ENGLISH IS USED (mosques which serve persons of southeast Asia use english)---for a lesson
in REALLY STINKING SHIT OF BULLS------stay for the KHUTBAH JUMAAT----that is a kind of
shitty call to islamic filth in place of the usual christian SERMON. Of course the KHUTBAHS in arabic are just as shitty-----but----it's arabic

Why do you go to mosque if you hate Islam and Arabs?

I was very young and very friendly and CURIOUS-----and was invited. I learned
quite a bit by the experience. Your question is silly as is your idiot accusation.

So that was 50 years ago. Why did you marry an Arab feeling as you do?

 

[irosie91]

‘The blinkers have been removed’: American voters are changing their minds on Netanyahu and Israel

‘He is going to quickly find out that his credit in American power circles is getting close to junk bond status’

www.independent.co.uk

Yet it’s not just in the halls of power that Netanyahu’s embrace of the GOP has been a losing bet. Support for Israel, long a political article of faith in the US Jewish community, has been tempered by a concern for human rights among American Jews, particularly those in the younger generation who did not appreciate the way he treated the Obama administration.

Logan Bayroff, a spokesperson for the liberal pro-Israel group J Street, said Netanyahu’s 2015 speech was a “huge inflection point”. He explained that groups like J Street were able to successfully make the case to US officials that Netanyahu did not actually speak for all Israelis, and that there were “a number of voices in Israel, and in the Israeli security establishment in particular, who thought the [Iran nuclear] deal was good and good for Israel… and that Democrats and Americans don’t have to go along with things just because he said so.”

Mr Bayroff sounds like the voice of reason. These right wing extremists need to be isolated so that saner voices can be heard, However Trump still needs the support of the Christian second coming crowd to get elected. His upcoming convictions may hamper that dread event.

One of many points left unaddressed in that amateurish opinion piece is the fact that those homeless Gazans are a direct result of Hamas waging war using civilians as cover.

Did you know that there are credible reports claiming 20% of the Iranian supplied rockets malfunctioned and fell into Gaza, killing Gaza civilians?

The fumbling, incompetent heroes of the self-hating left are very selective about the content of their opinions,

Most Gazans were't born in Gaza, They were forced out of East Jeruslem, the West Bank and the Negev.. Its pretty crowded.

Forced out? Like, at the point of a gun?



The spin is so pathetic.

Let Israel either completely destroy Gaza or be destroyed. It matters not, as long as we get the fuck out of the way.

Yes.. Israel continues to take homes, farmland and destroy 10s of thousands of olive trees. Most Gazans are refugees.

BULLSHIT

beyond bullshit------but to paraphrase an entertainer of the past----YOU AIN'T SEEN
NUTHIN' YET-----for pure unbridled shit and filth-----visit a mosque on friday----where
ENGLISH IS USED (mosques which serve persons of southeast Asia use english)---for a lesson
in REALLY STINKING SHIT OF BULLS------stay for the KHUTBAH JUMAAT----that is a kind of
shitty call to islamic filth in place of the usual christian SERMON. Of course the KHUTBAHS in arabic are just as shitty-----but----it's arabic

Why do you go to mosque if you hate Islam and Arabs?

I was very young and very friendly and CURIOUS-----and was invited. I learned
quite a bit by the experience. Your question is silly as is your idiot accusation.

So that was 50 years ago. Why did you marry an Arab feeling as you do?

from where did you get the idea that I married an ARAB?----I married a
PALESTINIAN. As to your statement "MOST GAZANS ARE REFUGEES"
what else is new?------in the fantastical world of islam-----REFUGEE STATUS
IS HERDITARY FOREVER----which---of course makes my PALESTINIAN HUSBAND
a refugee----and his kids---and me----RIGHT?

 

[DrLove]

Bibi The Horrible is a lot like Rump. He will do anything including mass murder to stay in power and out of prison.

 

[Rocko]

It is possible for reasonable people to debate some of Israel's actions with respect to some indigenous Arabs since 1947, however, it is not possible for reasonable people to disagree about Hamas. It is a terrorist organization that is EVIL, by any rational, civilized definition. Hamas has no political legitimacy even within its own controlled territory. Nor does the P.A.

I'm not defending terrorist acts by any means but explain why the indigenous people of Palestine have no right to defend themselves from a military occupation? The right to defend yourself, your family and your property is considered a natural right. Why is that not applicable to the Palestinians?

The fact that you consider the intentional murder of Jews as an act taken to "defend themselves" says all we need to know about you.

If you agree that people have the right to defend themselves you can't be totally unsympathetic to the Palestinians. They didn't ask for any of this. The super-powers drew some lines on the map and took a side. What we have now is the result. Palestinians got the shitty end of every stick and still some people can't figure out why they are so angry. Israel is doing to them what we did to the Indians.

You are almost entirely ignorant of the history of this region. You talk in platitudes, cliches and buzz terms.

There was no such thing as a "Palestinian" people when the Palestinian Mandate was divided, giving 78% to Arabs and 22% for a Jewish homeland. They were just Arabs, like any other. During the middle part of the 20th century, these Arabs had to be TOLD to call themselves "Palestinian" as a propaganda tool in order to fool useful idiots like you.

The fact remains that they live surrounded by walls and guns and are subject to the whims of a superior power. I seriously can't fault them for wanting to fight back.

So you can’t fault them for using terrorism in retaliation to political oppression, correct?

Soldiers, tanks, helicopters, walls and land snatching is a military occupation and people absolutely have the right to resist that. Political oppression? What are you even talking about?

It is possible for reasonable people to debate some of Israel's actions with respect to some indigenous Arabs since 1947, however, it is not possible for reasonable people to disagree about Hamas. It is a terrorist organization that is EVIL, by any rational, civilized definition. Hamas has no political legitimacy even within its own controlled territory. Nor does the P.A.

I'm not defending terrorist acts by any means but explain why the indigenous people of Palestine have no right to defend themselves from a military occupation? The right to defend yourself, your family and your property is considered a natural right. Why is that not applicable to the Palestinians?

The fact that you consider the intentional murder of Jews as an act taken to "defend themselves" says all we need to know about you.

If you agree that people have the right to defend themselves you can't be totally unsympathetic to the Palestinians. They didn't ask for any of this. The super-powers drew some lines on the map and took a side. What we have now is the result. Palestinians got the shitty end of every stick and still some people can't figure out why they are so angry. Israel is doing to them what we did to the Indians.

You are almost entirely ignorant of the history of this region. You talk in platitudes, cliches and buzz terms.

There was no such thing as a "Palestinian" people when the Palestinian Mandate was divided, giving 78% to Arabs and 22% for a Jewish homeland. They were just Arabs, like any other. During the middle part of the 20th century, these Arabs had to be TOLD to call themselves "Palestinian" as a propaganda tool in order to fool useful idiots like you.

The fact remains that they live surrounded by walls and guns and are subject to the whims of a superior power. I seriously can't fault them for wanting to fight back.

So you can’t fault them for using terrorism in retaliation to political oppression, correct?

Soldiers, tanks, helicopters, walls and land snatching is a military occupation and people absolutely have the right to resist that. Political oppression? What are you even talking about?

You’re very foolish if you think Israel is militarily occupying the Palestinian Territories. The Palestinians have there leadership and have their laws. They wouldn’t be able to dig 60 mile tunnels in the ground that enable them to attack Israeli civilians if they were under military occupation

 

[surada]

‘The blinkers have been removed’: American voters are changing their minds on Netanyahu and Israel

‘He is going to quickly find out that his credit in American power circles is getting close to junk bond status’

www.independent.co.uk

Yet it’s not just in the halls of power that Netanyahu’s embrace of the GOP has been a losing bet. Support for Israel, long a political article of faith in the US Jewish community, has been tempered by a concern for human rights among American Jews, particularly those in the younger generation who did not appreciate the way he treated the Obama administration.

Logan Bayroff, a spokesperson for the liberal pro-Israel group J Street, said Netanyahu’s 2015 speech was a “huge inflection point”. He explained that groups like J Street were able to successfully make the case to US officials that Netanyahu did not actually speak for all Israelis, and that there were “a number of voices in Israel, and in the Israeli security establishment in particular, who thought the [Iran nuclear] deal was good and good for Israel… and that Democrats and Americans don’t have to go along with things just because he said so.”

Mr Bayroff sounds like the voice of reason. These right wing extremists need to be isolated so that saner voices can be heard, However Trump still needs the support of the Christian second coming crowd to get elected. His upcoming convictions may hamper that dread event.

One of many points left unaddressed in that amateurish opinion piece is the fact that those homeless Gazans are a direct result of Hamas waging war using civilians as cover.

Did you know that there are credible reports claiming 20% of the Iranian supplied rockets malfunctioned and fell into Gaza, killing Gaza civilians?

The fumbling, incompetent heroes of the self-hating left are very selective about the content of their opinions,

Most Gazans were't born in Gaza, They were forced out of East Jeruslem, the West Bank and the Negev.. Its pretty crowded.

Forced out? Like, at the point of a gun?



The spin is so pathetic.

Let Israel either completely destroy Gaza or be destroyed. It matters not, as long as we get the fuck out of the way.

Yes.. Israel continues to take homes, farmland and destroy 10s of thousands of olive trees. Most Gazans are refugees.

BULLSHIT

beyond bullshit------but to paraphrase an entertainer of the past----YOU AIN'T SEEN
NUTHIN' YET-----for pure unbridled shit and filth-----visit a mosque on friday----where
ENGLISH IS USED (mosques which serve persons of southeast Asia use english)---for a lesson
in REALLY STINKING SHIT OF BULLS------stay for the KHUTBAH JUMAAT----that is a kind of
shitty call to islamic filth in place of the usual christian SERMON. Of course the KHUTBAHS in arabic are just as shitty-----but----it's arabic

Why do you go to mosque if you hate Islam and Arabs?

I was very young and very friendly and CURIOUS-----and was invited. I learned
quite a bit by the experience. Your question is silly as is your idiot accusation.

So that was 50 years ago. Why did you marry an Arab feeling as you do?

from where did you get the idea that I married an ARAB?----I married a
PALESTINIAN. As to your statement "MOST GAZANS ARE REFUGEES"
what else is new?------in the fantastical world of islam-----REFUGEE STATUS
IS HERDITARY FOREVER----which---of course makes my PALESTINIAN HUSBAND
a refugee----and his kids---and me----RIGHT?

I thought you said he was from a shithole.. and I thought he was Yemeni. I like Palestinians.. always have and was around lots of them every day growing up.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

It is possible for reasonable people to debate some of Israel's actions with respect to some indigenous Arabs since 1947, however, it is not possible for reasonable people to disagree about Hamas. It is a terrorist organization that is EVIL, by any rational, civilized definition. Hamas has no political legitimacy even within its own controlled territory. Nor does the P.A.

I'm not defending terrorist acts by any means but explain why the indigenous people of Palestine have no right to defend themselves from a military occupation? The right to defend yourself, your family and your property is considered a natural right. Why is that not applicable to the Palestinians?

The fact that you consider the intentional murder of Jews as an act taken to "defend themselves" says all we need to know about you.

If you agree that people have the right to defend themselves you can't be totally unsympathetic to the Palestinians. They didn't ask for any of this. The super-powers drew some lines on the map and took a side. What we have now is the result. Palestinians got the shitty end of every stick and still some people can't figure out why they are so angry. Israel is doing to them what we did to the Indians.

What is this self defense that you keep talking about related to this Palestinians. Be specific.

is it firing rockets at civilians?

In asymmetric warfare the oppressed have to take whatever targets are available. It's the price of occupation. We saw it when we tried to own Iraq and Afghanistan. When you are trying to occupy territory it's going to cost you.

Well, that is one strong vote for murdering Jews, anyway.

It's a fact of life everywhere when you decide to snatch someone's land and occupy it by force. People are going to fight for what is theirs and the animosity will never go away. You can shove the antisemitic crap up your ass.

Then we should get out of the way and let the law of conquest rule. Take back your land or shut the fuck up.

 

[surada]

It is possible for reasonable people to debate some of Israel's actions with respect to some indigenous Arabs since 1947, however, it is not possible for reasonable people to disagree about Hamas. It is a terrorist organization that is EVIL, by any rational, civilized definition. Hamas has no political legitimacy even within its own controlled territory. Nor does the P.A.

I'm not defending terrorist acts by any means but explain why the indigenous people of Palestine have no right to defend themselves from a military occupation? The right to defend yourself, your family and your property is considered a natural right. Why is that not applicable to the Palestinians?

The fact that you consider the intentional murder of Jews as an act taken to "defend themselves" says all we need to know about you.

If you agree that people have the right to defend themselves you can't be totally unsympathetic to the Palestinians. They didn't ask for any of this. The super-powers drew some lines on the map and took a side. What we have now is the result. Palestinians got the shitty end of every stick and still some people can't figure out why they are so angry. Israel is doing to them what we did to the Indians.

What is this self defense that you keep talking about related to this Palestinians. Be specific.

is it firing rockets at civilians?

In asymmetric warfare the oppressed have to take whatever targets are available. It's the price of occupation. We saw it when we tried to own Iraq and Afghanistan. When you are trying to occupy territory it's going to cost you.

Well, that is one strong vote for murdering Jews, anyway.

It's a fact of life everywhere when you decide to snatch someone's land and occupy it by force. People are going to fight for what is theirs and the animosity will never go away. You can shove the antisemitic crap up your ass.

Then we should get out of the way and let the law of conquest rule. Take back your land or shut the fuck up.

Colonizing occupied land is a crime under international law. Be careful what you wish for.

 

[irosie91]

It is possible for reasonable people to debate some of Israel's actions with respect to some indigenous Arabs since 1947, however, it is not possible for reasonable people to disagree about Hamas. It is a terrorist organization that is EVIL, by any rational, civilized definition. Hamas has no political legitimacy even within its own controlled territory. Nor does the P.A.

I'm not defending terrorist acts by any means but explain why the indigenous people of Palestine have no right to defend themselves from a military occupation? The right to defend yourself, your family and your property is considered a natural right. Why is that not applicable to the Palestinians?

The fact that you consider the intentional murder of Jews as an act taken to "defend themselves" says all we need to know about you.

If you agree that people have the right to defend themselves you can't be totally unsympathetic to the Palestinians. They didn't ask for any of this. The super-powers drew some lines on the map and took a side. What we have now is the result. Palestinians got the shitty end of every stick and still some people can't figure out why they are so angry. Israel is doing to them what we did to the Indians.

You are almost entirely ignorant of the history of this region. You talk in platitudes, cliches and buzz terms.

There was no such thing as a "Palestinian" people when the Palestinian Mandate was divided, giving 78% to Arabs and 22% for a Jewish homeland. They were just Arabs, like any other. During the middle part of the 20th century, these Arabs had to be TOLD to call themselves "Palestinian" as a propaganda tool in order to fool useful idiots like you.

The fact remains that they live surrounded by walls and guns and are subject to the whims of a superior power. I seriously can't fault them for wanting to fight back.

So you can’t fault them for using terrorism in retaliation to political oppression, correct?

Soldiers, tanks, helicopters, walls and land snatching is a military occupation and people absolutely have the right to resist that. Political oppression? What are you even talking about?

It is possible for reasonable people to debate some of Israel's actions with respect to some indigenous Arabs since 1947, however, it is not possible for reasonable people to disagree about Hamas. It is a terrorist organization that is EVIL, by any rational, civilized definition. Hamas has no political legitimacy even within its own controlled territory. Nor does the P.A.

I'm not defending terrorist acts by any means but explain why the indigenous people of Palestine have no right to defend themselves from a military occupation? The right to defend yourself, your family and your property is considered a natural right. Why is that not applicable to the Palestinians?

The fact that you consider the intentional murder of Jews as an act taken to "defend themselves" says all we need to know about you.

If you agree that people have the right to defend themselves you can't be totally unsympathetic to the Palestinians. They didn't ask for any of this. The super-powers drew some lines on the map and took a side. What we have now is the result. Palestinians got the shitty end of every stick and still some people can't figure out why they are so angry. Israel is doing to them what we did to the Indians.

You are almost entirely ignorant of the history of this region. You talk in platitudes, cliches and buzz terms.

There was no such thing as a "Palestinian" people when the Palestinian Mandate was divided, giving 78% to Arabs and 22% for a Jewish homeland. They were just Arabs, like any other. During the middle part of the 20th century, these Arabs had to be TOLD to call themselves "Palestinian" as a propaganda tool in order to fool useful idiots like you.

The fact remains that they live surrounded by walls and guns and are subject to the whims of a superior power. I seriously can't fault them for wanting to fight back.

So you can’t fault them for using terrorism in retaliation to political oppression, correct?

Soldiers, tanks, helicopters, walls and land snatching is a military occupation and people absolutely have the right to resist that. Political oppression? What are you even talking about?

You’re very foolish if you think Israel is militarily occupying the Palestinian Territories. The Palestinians have there leadership and have their laws. They wouldn’t be able to dig 60 mile tunnels in the ground that enable them to attack Israeli civilians if they were under military occupation

do not attempt LOGIC

 

[irosie91]

‘The blinkers have been removed’: American voters are changing their minds on Netanyahu and Israel

‘He is going to quickly find out that his credit in American power circles is getting close to junk bond status’

www.independent.co.uk

Yet it’s not just in the halls of power that Netanyahu’s embrace of the GOP has been a losing bet. Support for Israel, long a political article of faith in the US Jewish community, has been tempered by a concern for human rights among American Jews, particularly those in the younger generation who did not appreciate the way he treated the Obama administration.

Logan Bayroff, a spokesperson for the liberal pro-Israel group J Street, said Netanyahu’s 2015 speech was a “huge inflection point”. He explained that groups like J Street were able to successfully make the case to US officials that Netanyahu did not actually speak for all Israelis, and that there were “a number of voices in Israel, and in the Israeli security establishment in particular, who thought the [Iran nuclear] deal was good and good for Israel… and that Democrats and Americans don’t have to go along with things just because he said so.”

Mr Bayroff sounds like the voice of reason. These right wing extremists need to be isolated so that saner voices can be heard, However Trump still needs the support of the Christian second coming crowd to get elected. His upcoming convictions may hamper that dread event.

One of many points left unaddressed in that amateurish opinion piece is the fact that those homeless Gazans are a direct result of Hamas waging war using civilians as cover.

Did you know that there are credible reports claiming 20% of the Iranian supplied rockets malfunctioned and fell into Gaza, killing Gaza civilians?

The fumbling, incompetent heroes of the self-hating left are very selective about the content of their opinions,

Most Gazans were't born in Gaza, They were forced out of East Jeruslem, the West Bank and the Negev.. Its pretty crowded.

Forced out? Like, at the point of a gun?



The spin is so pathetic.

Let Israel either completely destroy Gaza or be destroyed. It matters not, as long as we get the fuck out of the way.

Yes.. Israel continues to take homes, farmland and destroy 10s of thousands of olive trees. Most Gazans are refugees.

BULLSHIT

beyond bullshit------but to paraphrase an entertainer of the past----YOU AIN'T SEEN
NUTHIN' YET-----for pure unbridled shit and filth-----visit a mosque on friday----where
ENGLISH IS USED (mosques which serve persons of southeast Asia use english)---for a lesson
in REALLY STINKING SHIT OF BULLS------stay for the KHUTBAH JUMAAT----that is a kind of
shitty call to islamic filth in place of the usual christian SERMON. Of course the KHUTBAHS in arabic are just as shitty-----but----it's arabic

Why do you go to mosque if you hate Islam and Arabs?

I was very young and very friendly and CURIOUS-----and was invited. I learned
quite a bit by the experience. Your question is silly as is your idiot accusation.

So that was 50 years ago. Why did you marry an Arab feeling as you do?

from where did you get the idea that I married an ARAB?----I married a
PALESTINIAN. As to your statement "MOST GAZANS ARE REFUGEES"
what else is new?------in the fantastical world of islam-----REFUGEE STATUS
IS HERDITARY FOREVER----which---of course makes my PALESTINIAN HUSBAND
a refugee----and his kids---and me----RIGHT?

I thought you said he was from a shithole.. and I thought he was Yemeni. I like Palestinians.. always have and was around lots of them every day growing up.

wrong again----he is YEMENITE----that means a person of the COMMUNITY OF JEWS OF YEMEN who had been residing in Yemen for more than 2500 years but according to the
arabs whose asses you lick------HAVE NO RIGHTS IN THAT LAND because it is
MUSLIM LAND. For more than 2000 years prior to the 1960s when some arabs DECIDED to adopt the moniker PALESTINIAN----the ONLY PALESTINIANS in the world were jews---living
in the land (Judea/israel) that the romans ---early in the christian era,, DECIDED TO CALL
"PALESTINA"----try to learn some history. For the sake of your LEARNED STATUS---check out
a library that holds microfilm on old journals-------travel journals from the 1800s describe
JEWS of the Levant as "PALESTINIANS"------muslims? NOPE. I simply stumbled on these
facts. I was not LOOKING

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Colonizing occupied land is a crime under international law. Be careful what you wish for.

It's a good thing that nothing of the sort has happened, then, Islamist.

Jewish people have lived on the land for over 3 thousand years.

 

[irosie91]

It is possible for reasonable people to debate some of Israel's actions with respect to some indigenous Arabs since 1947, however, it is not possible for reasonable people to disagree about Hamas. It is a terrorist organization that is EVIL, by any rational, civilized definition. Hamas has no political legitimacy even within its own controlled territory. Nor does the P.A.

I'm not defending terrorist acts by any means but explain why the indigenous people of Palestine have no right to defend themselves from a military occupation? The right to defend yourself, your family and your property is considered a natural right. Why is that not applicable to the Palestinians?

The fact that you consider the intentional murder of Jews as an act taken to "defend themselves" says all we need to know about you.

If you agree that people have the right to defend themselves you can't be totally unsympathetic to the Palestinians. They didn't ask for any of this. The super-powers drew some lines on the map and took a side. What we have now is the result. Palestinians got the shitty end of every stick and still some people can't figure out why they are so angry. Israel is doing to them what we did to the Indians.

What is this self defense that you keep talking about related to this Palestinians. Be specific.

is it firing rockets at civilians?

In asymmetric warfare the oppressed have to take whatever targets are available. It's the price of occupation. We saw it when we tried to own Iraq and Afghanistan. When you are trying to occupy territory it's going to cost you.

Well, that is one strong vote for murdering Jews, anyway.

It's a fact of life everywhere when you decide to snatch someone's land and occupy it by force. People are going to fight for what is theirs and the animosity will never go away. You can shove the antisemitic crap up your ass.

Then we should get out of the way and let the law of conquest rule. Take back your land or shut the fuck up.

Colonizing occupied land is a crime under international law. Be careful what you wish for.

Ok---according to "INTERNATIONAL LAW"---the ENTIRE era of "GLORIOUS
ISLAMIC CONQUEST" and its sequelae is a GROSS AND PERVERSE AND ATROCIOUS
CRIME_------I agree

 

[surada]

Colonizing occupied land is a crime under international law. Be careful what you wish for.

It's a good thing that nothing of the sort has happened, then, Islamist.

Jewish people have lived on the land for over 3 thousand years.

So have the Arabs. They have been in Palestine since Abraham. Remember in 700 BC Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria.. Then there are the Greek cities of the Decapolis.. and Scythipolois (Gog and Magog)

Both Abraham and Moses had Arab wives.

 

[surada]

It is possible for reasonable people to debate some of Israel's actions with respect to some indigenous Arabs since 1947, however, it is not possible for reasonable people to disagree about Hamas. It is a terrorist organization that is EVIL, by any rational, civilized definition. Hamas has no political legitimacy even within its own controlled territory. Nor does the P.A.

I'm not defending terrorist acts by any means but explain why the indigenous people of Palestine have no right to defend themselves from a military occupation? The right to defend yourself, your family and your property is considered a natural right. Why is that not applicable to the Palestinians?

The fact that you consider the intentional murder of Jews as an act taken to "defend themselves" says all we need to know about you.

If you agree that people have the right to defend themselves you can't be totally unsympathetic to the Palestinians. They didn't ask for any of this. The super-powers drew some lines on the map and took a side. What we have now is the result. Palestinians got the shitty end of every stick and still some people can't figure out why they are so angry. Israel is doing to them what we did to the Indians.

What is this self defense that you keep talking about related to this Palestinians. Be specific.

is it firing rockets at civilians?

In asymmetric warfare the oppressed have to take whatever targets are available. It's the price of occupation. We saw it when we tried to own Iraq and Afghanistan. When you are trying to occupy territory it's going to cost you.

Well, that is one strong vote for murdering Jews, anyway.

It's a fact of life everywhere when you decide to snatch someone's land and occupy it by force. People are going to fight for what is theirs and the animosity will never go away. You can shove the antisemitic crap up your ass.

Then we should get out of the way and let the law of conquest rule. Take back your land or shut the fuck up.

Colonizing occupied land is a crime under international law. Be careful what you wish for.

Ok---according to "INTERNATIONAL LAW"---the ENTIRE era of "GLORIOUS
ISLAMIC CONQUEST" and its sequelae is a GROSS AND PERVERSE AND ATROCIOUS
CRIME_------I agree

International laws on coloniztion were not been in effect 1200 years ago . They weren't in effect when the North coast Cannanites arrived in the hill country either.. or when Europeans settled America..

 

[surada]

‘The blinkers have been removed’: American voters are changing their minds on Netanyahu and Israel

‘He is going to quickly find out that his credit in American power circles is getting close to junk bond status’

www.independent.co.uk

Yet it’s not just in the halls of power that Netanyahu’s embrace of the GOP has been a losing bet. Support for Israel, long a political article of faith in the US Jewish community, has been tempered by a concern for human rights among American Jews, particularly those in the younger generation who did not appreciate the way he treated the Obama administration.

Logan Bayroff, a spokesperson for the liberal pro-Israel group J Street, said Netanyahu’s 2015 speech was a “huge inflection point”. He explained that groups like J Street were able to successfully make the case to US officials that Netanyahu did not actually speak for all Israelis, and that there were “a number of voices in Israel, and in the Israeli security establishment in particular, who thought the [Iran nuclear] deal was good and good for Israel… and that Democrats and Americans don’t have to go along with things just because he said so.”

Mr Bayroff sounds like the voice of reason. These right wing extremists need to be isolated so that saner voices can be heard, However Trump still needs the support of the Christian second coming crowd to get elected. His upcoming convictions may hamper that dread event.

One of many points left unaddressed in that amateurish opinion piece is the fact that those homeless Gazans are a direct result of Hamas waging war using civilians as cover.

Did you know that there are credible reports claiming 20% of the Iranian supplied rockets malfunctioned and fell into Gaza, killing Gaza civilians?

The fumbling, incompetent heroes of the self-hating left are very selective about the content of their opinions,

Most Gazans were't born in Gaza, They were forced out of East Jeruslem, the West Bank and the Negev.. Its pretty crowded.

Forced out? Like, at the point of a gun?



The spin is so pathetic.

Let Israel either completely destroy Gaza or be destroyed. It matters not, as long as we get the fuck out of the way.

Yes.. Israel continues to take homes, farmland and destroy 10s of thousands of olive trees. Most Gazans are refugees.

BULLSHIT

beyond bullshit------but to paraphrase an entertainer of the past----YOU AIN'T SEEN
NUTHIN' YET-----for pure unbridled shit and filth-----visit a mosque on friday----where
ENGLISH IS USED (mosques which serve persons of southeast Asia use english)---for a lesson
in REALLY STINKING SHIT OF BULLS------stay for the KHUTBAH JUMAAT----that is a kind of
shitty call to islamic filth in place of the usual christian SERMON. Of course the KHUTBAHS in arabic are just as shitty-----but----it's arabic

Why do you go to mosque if you hate Islam and Arabs?

I was very young and very friendly and CURIOUS-----and was invited. I learned
quite a bit by the experience. Your question is silly as is your idiot accusation.

So that was 50 years ago. Why did you marry an Arab feeling as you do?

from where did you get the idea that I married an ARAB?----I married a
PALESTINIAN. As to your statement "MOST GAZANS ARE REFUGEES"
what else is new?------in the fantastical world of islam-----REFUGEE STATUS
IS HERDITARY FOREVER----which---of course makes my PALESTINIAN HUSBAND
a refugee----and his kids---and me----RIGHT?

I thought you said he was from a shithole.. and I thought he was Yemeni. I like Palestinians.. always have and was around lots of them every day growing up.

wrong again----he is YEMENITE----that means a person of the COMMUNITY OF JEWS OF YEMEN who had been residing in Yemen for more than 2500 years but according to the
arabs whose asses you lick------HAVE NO RIGHTS IN THAT LAND because it is
MUSLIM LAND. For more than 2000 years prior to the 1960s when some arabs DECIDED to adopt the moniker PALESTINIAN----the ONLY PALESTINIANS in the world were jews---living
in the land (Judea/israel) that the romans ---early in the christian era,, DECIDED TO CALL
"PALESTINA"----try to learn some history. For the sake of your LEARNED STATUS---check out
a library that holds microfilm on old journals-------travel journals from the 1800s describe
JEWS of the Levant as "PALESTINIANS"------muslims? NOPE. I simply stumbled on these
facts. I was not LOOKING

Oh yes. Of course. The Jewish kings of Yemen burned the Christians of Najran.. I am fascinated about the Jewish warriors of Yemen who were hired body guards for the King of Jordan.

 

[irosie91]

Colonizing occupied land is a crime under international law. Be careful what you wish for.

It's a good thing that nothing of the sort has happened, then, Islamist.

Jewish people have lived on the land for over 3 thousand years.

So have the Arabs. They have been in Palestine since Abraham. Remember in 700 BC Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria.. Then there are the Greek cities of the Decapolis.. and Scythipolois (Gog and Magog)

Both Abraham and Moses had Arab wives.

bullshit-----you have INVENTED a very broad definition of "ARAB" as if everyone in the
LEVANT and its precincts read and wrote ARABIC for the past 8000 years. Now for the
facts------the term "arab" refers to people whose MOTHER TONGUE, language and
literature is ARABIC -----arabic was not even a written language until about
300 AD and UNTIL TODAY most of its speakers are actually ILLITERATE. In ancient writing
the land of ARAV was a distant place-----OVER THERE_---past the horizon----the people from
that area were known as ISHMAELI which means Nomadic criminals ---unwashed and
illiterate and DANGEROUS

 

[irosie91]

It is possible for reasonable people to debate some of Israel's actions with respect to some indigenous Arabs since 1947, however, it is not possible for reasonable people to disagree about Hamas. It is a terrorist organization that is EVIL, by any rational, civilized definition. Hamas has no political legitimacy even within its own controlled territory. Nor does the P.A.

I'm not defending terrorist acts by any means but explain why the indigenous people of Palestine have no right to defend themselves from a military occupation? The right to defend yourself, your family and your property is considered a natural right. Why is that not applicable to the Palestinians?

The fact that you consider the intentional murder of Jews as an act taken to "defend themselves" says all we need to know about you.

If you agree that people have the right to defend themselves you can't be totally unsympathetic to the Palestinians. They didn't ask for any of this. The super-powers drew some lines on the map and took a side. What we have now is the result. Palestinians got the shitty end of every stick and still some people can't figure out why they are so angry. Israel is doing to them what we did to the Indians.

What is this self defense that you keep talking about related to this Palestinians. Be specific.

is it firing rockets at civilians?

In asymmetric warfare the oppressed have to take whatever targets are available. It's the price of occupation. We saw it when we tried to own Iraq and Afghanistan. When you are trying to occupy territory it's going to cost you.

Well, that is one strong vote for murdering Jews, anyway.

It's a fact of life everywhere when you decide to snatch someone's land and occupy it by force. People are going to fight for what is theirs and the animosity will never go away. You can shove the antisemitic crap up your ass.

Then we should get out of the way and let the law of conquest rule. Take back your land or shut the fuck up.

Colonizing occupied land is a crime under international law. Be careful what you wish for.

Ok---according to "INTERNATIONAL LAW"---the ENTIRE era of "GLORIOUS
ISLAMIC CONQUEST" and its sequelae is a GROSS AND PERVERSE AND ATROCIOUS
CRIME_------I agree

International laws on coloniztion were not been in effect 1200 years ago . They weren't in effect when the North coast Cannanites arrived in the hill country either.. or when Europeans settled America..

so? try thinking in terms of MORALITY-----no matter how painful for you

 

[surada]

It is possible for reasonable people to debate some of Israel's actions with respect to some indigenous Arabs since 1947, however, it is not possible for reasonable people to disagree about Hamas. It is a terrorist organization that is EVIL, by any rational, civilized definition. Hamas has no political legitimacy even within its own controlled territory. Nor does the P.A.

I'm not defending terrorist acts by any means but explain why the indigenous people of Palestine have no right to defend themselves from a military occupation? The right to defend yourself, your family and your property is considered a natural right. Why is that not applicable to the Palestinians?

The fact that you consider the intentional murder of Jews as an act taken to "defend themselves" says all we need to know about you.

If you agree that people have the right to defend themselves you can't be totally unsympathetic to the Palestinians. They didn't ask for any of this. The super-powers drew some lines on the map and took a side. What we have now is the result. Palestinians got the shitty end of every stick and still some people can't figure out why they are so angry. Israel is doing to them what we did to the Indians.

What is this self defense that you keep talking about related to this Palestinians. Be specific.

is it firing rockets at civilians?

In asymmetric warfare the oppressed have to take whatever targets are available. It's the price of occupation. We saw it when we tried to own Iraq and Afghanistan. When you are trying to occupy territory it's going to cost you.

Well, that is one strong vote for murdering Jews, anyway.

It's a fact of life everywhere when you decide to snatch someone's land and occupy it by force. People are going to fight for what is theirs and the animosity will never go away. You can shove the antisemitic crap up your ass.

Then we should get out of the way and let the law of conquest rule. Take back your land or shut the fuck up.

Colonizing occupied land is a crime under international law. Be careful what you wish for.

Ok---according to "INTERNATIONAL LAW"---the ENTIRE era of "GLORIOUS
ISLAMIC CONQUEST" and its sequelae is a GROSS AND PERVERSE AND ATROCIOUS
CRIME_------I agree

International laws on coloniztion were not been in effect 1200 years ago . They weren't in effect when the North coast Cannanites arrived in the hill country either.. or when Europeans settled America..

so? try thinking in terms of MORALITY-----no matter how painful for you

What's moral about European refugees stealing land and killing the natves who resist? Is that YOUR particular morality?

 

[irosie91]

It is possible for reasonable people to debate some of Israel's actions with respect to some indigenous Arabs since 1947, however, it is not possible for reasonable people to disagree about Hamas. It is a terrorist organization that is EVIL, by any rational, civilized definition. Hamas has no political legitimacy even within its own controlled territory. Nor does the P.A.

I'm not defending terrorist acts by any means but explain why the indigenous people of Palestine have no right to defend themselves from a military occupation? The right to defend yourself, your family and your property is considered a natural right. Why is that not applicable to the Palestinians?

The fact that you consider the intentional murder of Jews as an act taken to "defend themselves" says all we need to know about you.

If you agree that people have the right to defend themselves you can't be totally unsympathetic to the Palestinians. They didn't ask for any of this. The super-powers drew some lines on the map and took a side. What we have now is the result. Palestinians got the shitty end of every stick and still some people can't figure out why they are so angry. Israel is doing to them what we did to the Indians.

What is this self defense that you keep talking about related to this Palestinians. Be specific.

is it firing rockets at civilians?

In asymmetric warfare the oppressed have to take whatever targets are available. It's the price of occupation. We saw it when we tried to own Iraq and Afghanistan. When you are trying to occupy territory it's going to cost you.

Well, that is one strong vote for murdering Jews, anyway.

It's a fact of life everywhere when you decide to snatch someone's land and occupy it by force. People are going to fight for what is theirs and the animosity will never go away. You can shove the antisemitic crap up your ass.

Then we should get out of the way and let the law of conquest rule. Take back your land or shut the fuck up.

Colonizing occupied land is a crime under international law. Be careful what you wish for.

Ok---according to "INTERNATIONAL LAW"---the ENTIRE era of "GLORIOUS
ISLAMIC CONQUEST" and its sequelae is a GROSS AND PERVERSE AND ATROCIOUS
CRIME_------I agree

International laws on coloniztion were not been in effect 1200 years ago . They weren't in effect when the North coast Cannanites arrived in the hill country either.. or when Europeans settled America..

so? try thinking in terms of MORALITY-----no matter how painful for you

What's moral about European refugees stealing land and killing the natves who resist? Is that YOUR particular morality?

when did Europeans steal land and from whom? Did I suggest that it is ok for "EUROPEANS" to steal land?-------why are you trying to change the subject? "europeans" ???? as to LAW----
try to keep in mind-------according to your muslim informants----KORANIC LAW preceded the
creation of the universe