‘The blinkers have been removed’: American voters are changing their minds on Netanyahu and Israel

[harmonica]

âThe blinkers have been removedâ: American voters are changing their minds on Netanyahu and Israel

‘He is going to quickly find out that his credit in American power circles is getting close to junk bond status’

www.independent.co.uk

Yet it’s not just in the halls of power that Netanyahu’s embrace of the GOP has been a losing bet. Support for Israel, long a political article of faith in the US Jewish community, has been tempered by a concern for human rights among American Jews, particularly those in the younger generation who did not appreciate the way he treated the Obama administration.

Logan Bayroff, a spokesperson for the liberal pro-Israel group J Street, said Netanyahu’s 2015 speech was a “huge inflection point”. He explained that groups like J Street were able to successfully make the case to US officials that Netanyahu did not actually speak for all Israelis, and that there were “a number of voices in Israel, and in the Israeli security establishment in particular, who thought the [Iran nuclear] deal was good and good for Israel… and that Democrats and Americans don’t have to go along with things just because he said so.”

Mr Bayroff sounds like the voice of reason. These right wing extremists need to be isolated so that saner voices can be heard, However Trump still needs the support of the Christian second coming crowd to get elected. His upcoming convictions may hamper that dread event.

...again, you prove to know nothing about the US...you keep making a fool of yourself

I am just quoting Americans. Are they not proper Americans ?

thank you--you prove my point

Well who are the proper Americans that I should be listening to ?

for one, ''American voters''' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! there hasn't been a vote on the OP topic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[occupied]

It is possible for reasonable people to debate some of Israel's actions with respect to some indigenous Arabs since 1947, however, it is not possible for reasonable people to disagree about Hamas. It is a terrorist organization that is EVIL, by any rational, civilized definition. Hamas has no political legitimacy even within its own controlled territory. Nor does the P.A.

I'm not defending terrorist acts by any means but explain why the indigenous people of Palestine have no right to defend themselves from a military occupation? The right to defend yourself, your family and your property is considered a natural right. Why is that not applicable to the Palestinians?

The fact that you consider the intentional murder of Jews as an act taken to "defend themselves" says all we need to know about you.

If you agree that people have the right to defend themselves you can't be totally unsympathetic to the Palestinians. They didn't ask for any of this. The super-powers drew some lines on the map and took a side. What we have now is the result. Palestinians got the shitty end of every stick and still some people can't figure out why they are so angry. Israel is doing to them what we did to the Indians.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

It is possible for reasonable people to debate some of Israel's actions with respect to some indigenous Arabs since 1947, however, it is not possible for reasonable people to disagree about Hamas. It is a terrorist organization that is EVIL, by any rational, civilized definition. Hamas has no political legitimacy even within its own controlled territory. Nor does the P.A.

I'm not defending terrorist acts by any means but explain why the indigenous people of Palestine have no right to defend themselves from a military occupation? The right to defend yourself, your family and your property is considered a natural right. Why is that not applicable to the Palestinians?

The fact that you consider the intentional murder of Jews as an act taken to "defend themselves" says all we need to know about you.

If you agree that people have the right to defend themselves you can't be totally unsympathetic to the Palestinians. They didn't ask for any of this. The super-powers drew some lines on the map and took a side. What we have now is the result. Palestinians got the shitty end of every stick and still some people can't figure out why they are so angry. Israel is doing to them what we did to the Indians.

You are almost entirely ignorant of the history of this region. You talk in platitudes, cliches and buzz terms.

There was no such thing as a "Palestinian" people when the Palestinian Mandate was divided, giving 78% to Arabs and 22% for a Jewish homeland. They were just Arabs, like any other. During the middle part of the 20th century, these Arabs had to be TOLD to call themselves "Palestinian" as a propaganda tool in order to fool useful idiots like you.

 

[occupied]

It is possible for reasonable people to debate some of Israel's actions with respect to some indigenous Arabs since 1947, however, it is not possible for reasonable people to disagree about Hamas. It is a terrorist organization that is EVIL, by any rational, civilized definition. Hamas has no political legitimacy even within its own controlled territory. Nor does the P.A.

I'm not defending terrorist acts by any means but explain why the indigenous people of Palestine have no right to defend themselves from a military occupation? The right to defend yourself, your family and your property is considered a natural right. Why is that not applicable to the Palestinians?

The fact that you consider the intentional murder of Jews as an act taken to "defend themselves" says all we need to know about you.

If you agree that people have the right to defend themselves you can't be totally unsympathetic to the Palestinians. They didn't ask for any of this. The super-powers drew some lines on the map and took a side. What we have now is the result. Palestinians got the shitty end of every stick and still some people can't figure out why they are so angry. Israel is doing to them what we did to the Indians.

You are almost entirely ignorant of the history of this region. You talk in platitudes, cliches and buzz terms.

There was no such thing as a "Palestinian" people when the Palestinian Mandate was divided, giving 78% to Arabs and 22% for a Jewish homeland. They were just Arabs, like any other. During the middle part of the 20th century, these Arabs had to be TOLD to call themselves "Palestinian" as a propaganda tool in order to fool useful idiots like you.

The fact remains that they live surrounded by walls and guns and are subject to the whims of a superior power. I seriously can't fault them for wanting to fight back.

 

[Rocko]

It is possible for reasonable people to debate some of Israel's actions with respect to some indigenous Arabs since 1947, however, it is not possible for reasonable people to disagree about Hamas. It is a terrorist organization that is EVIL, by any rational, civilized definition. Hamas has no political legitimacy even within its own controlled territory. Nor does the P.A.

I'm not defending terrorist acts by any means but explain why the indigenous people of Palestine have no right to defend themselves from a military occupation? The right to defend yourself, your family and your property is considered a natural right. Why is that not applicable to the Palestinians?

The fact that you consider the intentional murder of Jews as an act taken to "defend themselves" says all we need to know about you.

If you agree that people have the right to defend themselves you can't be totally unsympathetic to the Palestinians. They didn't ask for any of this. The super-powers drew some lines on the map and took a side. What we have now is the result. Palestinians got the shitty end of every stick and still some people can't figure out why they are so angry. Israel is doing to them what we did to the Indians.

What is this self defense that you keep talking about related to this Palestinians. Be specific.

is it firing rockets at civilians?

 

[Rocko]

It is possible for reasonable people to debate some of Israel's actions with respect to some indigenous Arabs since 1947, however, it is not possible for reasonable people to disagree about Hamas. It is a terrorist organization that is EVIL, by any rational, civilized definition. Hamas has no political legitimacy even within its own controlled territory. Nor does the P.A.

I'm not defending terrorist acts by any means but explain why the indigenous people of Palestine have no right to defend themselves from a military occupation? The right to defend yourself, your family and your property is considered a natural right. Why is that not applicable to the Palestinians?

The fact that you consider the intentional murder of Jews as an act taken to "defend themselves" says all we need to know about you.

If you agree that people have the right to defend themselves you can't be totally unsympathetic to the Palestinians. They didn't ask for any of this. The super-powers drew some lines on the map and took a side. What we have now is the result. Palestinians got the shitty end of every stick and still some people can't figure out why they are so angry. Israel is doing to them what we did to the Indians.

You are almost entirely ignorant of the history of this region. You talk in platitudes, cliches and buzz terms.

There was no such thing as a "Palestinian" people when the Palestinian Mandate was divided, giving 78% to Arabs and 22% for a Jewish homeland. They were just Arabs, like any other. During the middle part of the 20th century, these Arabs had to be TOLD to call themselves "Palestinian" as a propaganda tool in order to fool useful idiots like you.

The fact remains that they live surrounded by walls and guns and are subject to the whims of a superior power. I seriously can't fault them for wanting to fight back.

So you can’t fault them for using terrorism in retaliation to political oppression, correct?

 

[harmonica]

It is possible for reasonable people to debate some of Israel's actions with respect to some indigenous Arabs since 1947, however, it is not possible for reasonable people to disagree about Hamas. It is a terrorist organization that is EVIL, by any rational, civilized definition. Hamas has no political legitimacy even within its own controlled territory. Nor does the P.A.

I'm not defending terrorist acts by any means but explain why the indigenous people of Palestine have no right to defend themselves from a military occupation? The right to defend yourself, your family and your property is considered a natural right. Why is that not applicable to the Palestinians?

The fact that you consider the intentional murder of Jews as an act taken to "defend themselves" says all we need to know about you.

If you agree that people have the right to defend themselves you can't be totally unsympathetic to the Palestinians. They didn't ask for any of this. The super-powers drew some lines on the map and took a side. What we have now is the result. Palestinians got the shitty end of every stick and still some people can't figure out why they are so angry. Israel is doing to them what we did to the Indians.

the Indian analogy is ridiculous ..besides, the NAs did the same stuff as the whites
...Israel did not attack the Arabs/Pals until they were attacked

 

[occupied]

It is possible for reasonable people to debate some of Israel's actions with respect to some indigenous Arabs since 1947, however, it is not possible for reasonable people to disagree about Hamas. It is a terrorist organization that is EVIL, by any rational, civilized definition. Hamas has no political legitimacy even within its own controlled territory. Nor does the P.A.

I'm not defending terrorist acts by any means but explain why the indigenous people of Palestine have no right to defend themselves from a military occupation? The right to defend yourself, your family and your property is considered a natural right. Why is that not applicable to the Palestinians?

The fact that you consider the intentional murder of Jews as an act taken to "defend themselves" says all we need to know about you.

If you agree that people have the right to defend themselves you can't be totally unsympathetic to the Palestinians. They didn't ask for any of this. The super-powers drew some lines on the map and took a side. What we have now is the result. Palestinians got the shitty end of every stick and still some people can't figure out why they are so angry. Israel is doing to them what we did to the Indians.

What is this self defense that you keep talking about related to this Palestinians. Be specific.

is it firing rockets at civilians?

In asymmetric warfare the oppressed have to take whatever targets are available. It's the price of occupation. We saw it when we tried to own Iraq and Afghanistan. When you are trying to occupy territory it's going to cost you.

 

[harmonica]

It is possible for reasonable people to debate some of Israel's actions with respect to some indigenous Arabs since 1947, however, it is not possible for reasonable people to disagree about Hamas. It is a terrorist organization that is EVIL, by any rational, civilized definition. Hamas has no political legitimacy even within its own controlled territory. Nor does the P.A.

I'm not defending terrorist acts by any means but explain why the indigenous people of Palestine have no right to defend themselves from a military occupation? The right to defend yourself, your family and your property is considered a natural right. Why is that not applicable to the Palestinians?

The fact that you consider the intentional murder of Jews as an act taken to "defend themselves" says all we need to know about you.

If you agree that people have the right to defend themselves you can't be totally unsympathetic to the Palestinians. They didn't ask for any of this. The super-powers drew some lines on the map and took a side. What we have now is the result. Palestinians got the shitty end of every stick and still some people can't figure out why they are so angry. Israel is doing to them what we did to the Indians.

What is this self defense that you keep talking about related to this Palestinians. Be specific.

is it firing rockets at civilians?

In asymmetric warfare the oppressed have to take whatever targets are available. It's the price of occupation. We saw it when we tried to own Iraq and Afghanistan. When you are trying to occupy territory it's going to cost you.

stop--you don't know shit about warfare....your post is total bullshit when you use the word ''own''

 

[harmonica]

It is possible for reasonable people to debate some of Israel's actions with respect to some indigenous Arabs since 1947, however, it is not possible for reasonable people to disagree about Hamas. It is a terrorist organization that is EVIL, by any rational, civilized definition. Hamas has no political legitimacy even within its own controlled territory. Nor does the P.A.

I'm not defending terrorist acts by any means but explain why the indigenous people of Palestine have no right to defend themselves from a military occupation? The right to defend yourself, your family and your property is considered a natural right. Why is that not applicable to the Palestinians?

The fact that you consider the intentional murder of Jews as an act taken to "defend themselves" says all we need to know about you.

If you agree that people have the right to defend themselves you can't be totally unsympathetic to the Palestinians. They didn't ask for any of this. The super-powers drew some lines on the map and took a side. What we have now is the result. Palestinians got the shitty end of every stick and still some people can't figure out why they are so angry. Israel is doing to them what we did to the Indians.

What is this self defense that you keep talking about related to this Palestinians. Be specific.

is it firing rockets at civilians?

In asymmetric warfare the oppressed have to take whatever targets are available. It's the price of occupation. We saw it when we tried to own Iraq and Afghanistan. When you are trying to occupy territory it's going to cost you.

Israel is the aggressor?????!!!!????!!!!!!!

 

[Dogmaphobe]

It is possible for reasonable people to debate some of Israel's actions with respect to some indigenous Arabs since 1947, however, it is not possible for reasonable people to disagree about Hamas. It is a terrorist organization that is EVIL, by any rational, civilized definition. Hamas has no political legitimacy even within its own controlled territory. Nor does the P.A.

I'm not defending terrorist acts by any means but explain why the indigenous people of Palestine have no right to defend themselves from a military occupation? The right to defend yourself, your family and your property is considered a natural right. Why is that not applicable to the Palestinians?

The fact that you consider the intentional murder of Jews as an act taken to "defend themselves" says all we need to know about you.

If you agree that people have the right to defend themselves you can't be totally unsympathetic to the Palestinians. They didn't ask for any of this. The super-powers drew some lines on the map and took a side. What we have now is the result. Palestinians got the shitty end of every stick and still some people can't figure out why they are so angry. Israel is doing to them what we did to the Indians.

What is this self defense that you keep talking about related to this Palestinians. Be specific.

is it firing rockets at civilians?

In asymmetric warfare the oppressed have to take whatever targets are available. It's the price of occupation. We saw it when we tried to own Iraq and Afghanistan. When you are trying to occupy territory it's going to cost you.

Well, that is one strong vote for murdering Jews, anyway.

 

[occupied]

It is possible for reasonable people to debate some of Israel's actions with respect to some indigenous Arabs since 1947, however, it is not possible for reasonable people to disagree about Hamas. It is a terrorist organization that is EVIL, by any rational, civilized definition. Hamas has no political legitimacy even within its own controlled territory. Nor does the P.A.

I'm not defending terrorist acts by any means but explain why the indigenous people of Palestine have no right to defend themselves from a military occupation? The right to defend yourself, your family and your property is considered a natural right. Why is that not applicable to the Palestinians?

The fact that you consider the intentional murder of Jews as an act taken to "defend themselves" says all we need to know about you.

If you agree that people have the right to defend themselves you can't be totally unsympathetic to the Palestinians. They didn't ask for any of this. The super-powers drew some lines on the map and took a side. What we have now is the result. Palestinians got the shitty end of every stick and still some people can't figure out why they are so angry. Israel is doing to them what we did to the Indians.

You are almost entirely ignorant of the history of this region. You talk in platitudes, cliches and buzz terms.

There was no such thing as a "Palestinian" people when the Palestinian Mandate was divided, giving 78% to Arabs and 22% for a Jewish homeland. They were just Arabs, like any other. During the middle part of the 20th century, these Arabs had to be TOLD to call themselves "Palestinian" as a propaganda tool in order to fool useful idiots like you.

The fact remains that they live surrounded by walls and guns and are subject to the whims of a superior power. I seriously can't fault them for wanting to fight back.

So you can’t fault them for using terrorism in retaliation to political oppression, correct?

Soldiers, tanks, helicopters, walls and land snatching is a military occupation and people absolutely have the right to resist that. Political oppression? What are you even talking about?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

âThe blinkers have been removedâ: American voters are changing their minds on Netanyahu and Israel

‘He is going to quickly find out that his credit in American power circles is getting close to junk bond status’

www.independent.co.uk

Yet it’s not just in the halls of power that Netanyahu’s embrace of the GOP has been a losing bet. Support for Israel, long a political article of faith in the US Jewish community, has been tempered by a concern for human rights among American Jews, particularly those in the younger generation who did not appreciate the way he treated the Obama administration.

Logan Bayroff, a spokesperson for the liberal pro-Israel group J Street, said Netanyahu’s 2015 speech was a “huge inflection point”. He explained that groups like J Street were able to successfully make the case to US officials that Netanyahu did not actually speak for all Israelis, and that there were “a number of voices in Israel, and in the Israeli security establishment in particular, who thought the [Iran nuclear] deal was good and good for Israel… and that Democrats and Americans don’t have to go along with things just because he said so.”

Mr Bayroff sounds like the voice of reason. These right wing extremists need to be isolated so that saner voices can be heard, However Trump still needs the support of the Christian second coming crowd to get elected. His upcoming convictions may hamper that dread event.

One of many points left unaddressed in that amateurish opinion piece is the fact that those homeless Gazans are a direct result of Hamas waging war using civilians as cover.

Did you know that there are credible reports claiming 20% of the Iranian supplied rockets malfunctioned and fell into Gaza, killing Gaza civilians?

The fumbling, incompetent heroes of the self-hating left are very selective about the content of their opinions,

Most Gazans were't born in Gaza, They were forced out of East Jeruslem, the West Bank and the Negev.. Its pretty crowded.

Forced out? Like, at the point of a gun?



The spin is so pathetic.

Let Israel either completely destroy Gaza or be destroyed. It matters not, as long as we get the fuck out of the way.

Yes.. Israel continues to take homes, farmland and destroy 10s of thousands of olive trees. Most Gazans are refugees.

BULLSHIT

 

[Rocko]

It is possible for reasonable people to debate some of Israel's actions with respect to some indigenous Arabs since 1947, however, it is not possible for reasonable people to disagree about Hamas. It is a terrorist organization that is EVIL, by any rational, civilized definition. Hamas has no political legitimacy even within its own controlled territory. Nor does the P.A.

I'm not defending terrorist acts by any means but explain why the indigenous people of Palestine have no right to defend themselves from a military occupation? The right to defend yourself, your family and your property is considered a natural right. Why is that not applicable to the Palestinians?

The fact that you consider the intentional murder of Jews as an act taken to "defend themselves" says all we need to know about you.

If you agree that people have the right to defend themselves you can't be totally unsympathetic to the Palestinians. They didn't ask for any of this. The super-powers drew some lines on the map and took a side. What we have now is the result. Palestinians got the shitty end of every stick and still some people can't figure out why they are so angry. Israel is doing to them what we did to the Indians.

What is this self defense that you keep talking about related to this Palestinians. Be specific.

is it firing rockets at civilians?

In asymmetric warfare the oppressed have to take whatever targets are available. It's the price of occupation. We saw it when we tried to own Iraq and Afghanistan. When you are trying to occupy territory it's going to cost you.

You’re fucked in the head beyond belief. You feel the Palestinians have a natural right to shoot rockets at civilians and call that self defense, and when Israel retaliates you want to cry.

I mean eventually you should look at the shit you post and admit to yourself maybe I’m engaging in some serious double standards and I’m a radical.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

It is possible for reasonable people to debate some of Israel's actions with respect to some indigenous Arabs since 1947, however, it is not possible for reasonable people to disagree about Hamas. It is a terrorist organization that is EVIL, by any rational, civilized definition. Hamas has no political legitimacy even within its own controlled territory. Nor does the P.A.

I'm not defending terrorist acts by any means but explain why the indigenous people of Palestine have no right to defend themselves from a military occupation? The right to defend yourself, your family and your property is considered a natural right. Why is that not applicable to the Palestinians?

The fact that you consider the intentional murder of Jews as an act taken to "defend themselves" says all we need to know about you.

If you agree that people have the right to defend themselves you can't be totally unsympathetic to the Palestinians. They didn't ask for any of this. The super-powers drew some lines on the map and took a side. What we have now is the result. Palestinians got the shitty end of every stick and still some people can't figure out why they are so angry. Israel is doing to them what we did to the Indians.

You are almost entirely ignorant of the history of this region. You talk in platitudes, cliches and buzz terms.

There was no such thing as a "Palestinian" people when the Palestinian Mandate was divided, giving 78% to Arabs and 22% for a Jewish homeland. They were just Arabs, like any other. During the middle part of the 20th century, these Arabs had to be TOLD to call themselves "Palestinian" as a propaganda tool in order to fool useful idiots like you.

The fact remains that they live surrounded by walls and guns and are subject to the whims of a superior power. I seriously can't fault them for wanting to fight back.

Just look at them, there in their "open air prison" surrounded by "guns' and being "oppressed" by a "superior power".

 

[occupied]

It is possible for reasonable people to debate some of Israel's actions with respect to some indigenous Arabs since 1947, however, it is not possible for reasonable people to disagree about Hamas. It is a terrorist organization that is EVIL, by any rational, civilized definition. Hamas has no political legitimacy even within its own controlled territory. Nor does the P.A.

I'm not defending terrorist acts by any means but explain why the indigenous people of Palestine have no right to defend themselves from a military occupation? The right to defend yourself, your family and your property is considered a natural right. Why is that not applicable to the Palestinians?

The fact that you consider the intentional murder of Jews as an act taken to "defend themselves" says all we need to know about you.

If you agree that people have the right to defend themselves you can't be totally unsympathetic to the Palestinians. They didn't ask for any of this. The super-powers drew some lines on the map and took a side. What we have now is the result. Palestinians got the shitty end of every stick and still some people can't figure out why they are so angry. Israel is doing to them what we did to the Indians.

What is this self defense that you keep talking about related to this Palestinians. Be specific.

is it firing rockets at civilians?

In asymmetric warfare the oppressed have to take whatever targets are available. It's the price of occupation. We saw it when we tried to own Iraq and Afghanistan. When you are trying to occupy territory it's going to cost you.

Well, that is one strong vote for murdering Jews, anyway.

It's a fact of life everywhere when you decide to snatch someone's land and occupy it by force. People are going to fight for what is theirs and the animosity will never go away. You can shove the antisemitic crap up your ass.

 

[irosie91]

âThe blinkers have been removedâ: American voters are changing their minds on Netanyahu and Israel

‘He is going to quickly find out that his credit in American power circles is getting close to junk bond status’

www.independent.co.uk

Yet it’s not just in the halls of power that Netanyahu’s embrace of the GOP has been a losing bet. Support for Israel, long a political article of faith in the US Jewish community, has been tempered by a concern for human rights among American Jews, particularly those in the younger generation who did not appreciate the way he treated the Obama administration.

Logan Bayroff, a spokesperson for the liberal pro-Israel group J Street, said Netanyahu’s 2015 speech was a “huge inflection point”. He explained that groups like J Street were able to successfully make the case to US officials that Netanyahu did not actually speak for all Israelis, and that there were “a number of voices in Israel, and in the Israeli security establishment in particular, who thought the [Iran nuclear] deal was good and good for Israel… and that Democrats and Americans don’t have to go along with things just because he said so.”

Mr Bayroff sounds like the voice of reason. These right wing extremists need to be isolated so that saner voices can be heard, However Trump still needs the support of the Christian second coming crowd to get elected. His upcoming convictions may hamper that dread event.

One of many points left unaddressed in that amateurish opinion piece is the fact that those homeless Gazans are a direct result of Hamas waging war using civilians as cover.

Did you know that there are credible reports claiming 20% of the Iranian supplied rockets malfunctioned and fell into Gaza, killing Gaza civilians?

The fumbling, incompetent heroes of the self-hating left are very selective about the content of their opinions,

Most Gazans were't born in Gaza, They were forced out of East Jeruslem, the West Bank and the Negev.. Its pretty crowded.

Forced out? Like, at the point of a gun?



The spin is so pathetic.

Let Israel either completely destroy Gaza or be destroyed. It matters not, as long as we get the fuck out of the way.

Yes.. Israel continues to take homes, farmland and destroy 10s of thousands of olive trees. Most Gazans are refugees.

BULLSHIT

beyond bullshit------but to paraphrase an entertainer of the past----YOU AIN'T SEEN
NUTHIN' YET-----for pure unbridled shit and filth-----visit a mosque on friday----where
ENGLISH IS USED (mosques which serve persons of southeast Asia use english)---for a lesson
in REALLY STINKING SHIT OF BULLS------stay for the KHUTBAH JUMAAT----that is a kind of
shitty call to islamic filth in place of the usual christian SERMON. Of course the KHUTBAHS in arabic are just as shitty-----but----it's arabic

 

[irosie91]

It is possible for reasonable people to debate some of Israel's actions with respect to some indigenous Arabs since 1947, however, it is not possible for reasonable people to disagree about Hamas. It is a terrorist organization that is EVIL, by any rational, civilized definition. Hamas has no political legitimacy even within its own controlled territory. Nor does the P.A.

I'm not defending terrorist acts by any means but explain why the indigenous people of Palestine have no right to defend themselves from a military occupation? The right to defend yourself, your family and your property is considered a natural right. Why is that not applicable to the Palestinians?

The fact that you consider the intentional murder of Jews as an act taken to "defend themselves" says all we need to know about you.

If you agree that people have the right to defend themselves you can't be totally unsympathetic to the Palestinians. They didn't ask for any of this. The super-powers drew some lines on the map and took a side. What we have now is the result. Palestinians got the shitty end of every stick and still some people can't figure out why they are so angry. Israel is doing to them what we did to the Indians.

What is this self defense that you keep talking about related to this Palestinians. Be specific.

is it firing rockets at civilians?

In asymmetric warfare the oppressed have to take whatever targets are available. It's the price of occupation. We saw it when we tried to own Iraq and Afghanistan. When you are trying to occupy territory it's going to cost you.

Well, that is one strong vote for murdering Jews, anyway.

It's a fact of life everywhere when you decide to snatch someone's land and occupy it by force. People are going to fight for what is theirs and the animosity will never go away. You can shove the antisemitic crap up your ass.

up your stinking ****

 

[Dogmaphobe]

It is possible for reasonable people to debate some of Israel's actions with respect to some indigenous Arabs since 1947, however, it is not possible for reasonable people to disagree about Hamas. It is a terrorist organization that is EVIL, by any rational, civilized definition. Hamas has no political legitimacy even within its own controlled territory. Nor does the P.A.

I'm not defending terrorist acts by any means but explain why the indigenous people of Palestine have no right to defend themselves from a military occupation? The right to defend yourself, your family and your property is considered a natural right. Why is that not applicable to the Palestinians?

The fact that you consider the intentional murder of Jews as an act taken to "defend themselves" says all we need to know about you.

If you agree that people have the right to defend themselves you can't be totally unsympathetic to the Palestinians. They didn't ask for any of this. The super-powers drew some lines on the map and took a side. What we have now is the result. Palestinians got the shitty end of every stick and still some people can't figure out why they are so angry. Israel is doing to them what we did to the Indians.

What is this self defense that you keep talking about related to this Palestinians. Be specific.

is it firing rockets at civilians?

In asymmetric warfare the oppressed have to take whatever targets are available. It's the price of occupation. We saw it when we tried to own Iraq and Afghanistan. When you are trying to occupy territory it's going to cost you.

Well, that is one strong vote for murdering Jews, anyway.

It's a fact of life everywhere when you decide to snatch someone's land and occupy it by force. People are going to fight for what is theirs and the animosity will never go away. You can shove the antisemitic crap up your ass.

Yes, you support murdering Jews.

You have already made that quite clear, you little subhuman.

 

[surada]

âThe blinkers have been removedâ: American voters are changing their minds on Netanyahu and Israel

‘He is going to quickly find out that his credit in American power circles is getting close to junk bond status’

www.independent.co.uk

Yet it’s not just in the halls of power that Netanyahu’s embrace of the GOP has been a losing bet. Support for Israel, long a political article of faith in the US Jewish community, has been tempered by a concern for human rights among American Jews, particularly those in the younger generation who did not appreciate the way he treated the Obama administration.

Logan Bayroff, a spokesperson for the liberal pro-Israel group J Street, said Netanyahu’s 2015 speech was a “huge inflection point”. He explained that groups like J Street were able to successfully make the case to US officials that Netanyahu did not actually speak for all Israelis, and that there were “a number of voices in Israel, and in the Israeli security establishment in particular, who thought the [Iran nuclear] deal was good and good for Israel… and that Democrats and Americans don’t have to go along with things just because he said so.”

Mr Bayroff sounds like the voice of reason. These right wing extremists need to be isolated so that saner voices can be heard, However Trump still needs the support of the Christian second coming crowd to get elected. His upcoming convictions may hamper that dread event.

One of many points left unaddressed in that amateurish opinion piece is the fact that those homeless Gazans are a direct result of Hamas waging war using civilians as cover.

Did you know that there are credible reports claiming 20% of the Iranian supplied rockets malfunctioned and fell into Gaza, killing Gaza civilians?

The fumbling, incompetent heroes of the self-hating left are very selective about the content of their opinions,

Most Gazans were't born in Gaza, They were forced out of East Jeruslem, the West Bank and the Negev.. Its pretty crowded.

Forced out? Like, at the point of a gun?



The spin is so pathetic.

Let Israel either completely destroy Gaza or be destroyed. It matters not, as long as we get the fuck out of the way.

Yes.. Israel continues to take homes, farmland and destroy 10s of thousands of olive trees. Most Gazans are refugees.

BULLSHIT

beyond bullshit------but to paraphrase an entertainer of the past----YOU AIN'T SEEN
NUTHIN' YET-----for pure unbridled shit and filth-----visit a mosque on friday----where
ENGLISH IS USED (mosques which serve persons of southeast Asia use english)---for a lesson
in REALLY STINKING SHIT OF BULLS------stay for the KHUTBAH JUMAAT----that is a kind of
shitty call to islamic filth in place of the usual christian SERMON. Of course the KHUTBAHS in arabic are just as shitty-----but----it's arabic

Why do you go to mosque if you hate Islam and Arabs?