The biggest problem with the rightwing is a lack of critical thinking skills

[hazlnut]

This is a deficit that I think the right should be aware of. Critical thinking involves seeing the nuance in political issues. It's judging objective information and deciding what is true, false, or partially true.

The rightwing ideology is very emotionally driven. Rightwingers reason more with emotion than they do factual information. They see issues in very black and white terms. They only examine the extremes of a political ideology and fail to see the nuance within. It causes them to misunderstand many progressive issues and progressives themselves.

Let me give you all some examples:

Income inequality.

When a liberal discusses this issue, it really doesn't matter what he or she says about it. The crazy Rightwinger automatically jumps to the extreme conclusion of "you're just jealous of their wealth! You want to get rid of capitalism and have the government own us all derp, derp, derp!"

This is of course ridiculous. Liberals simply want to save the middle class from diminishing and boost wages for the poor. It has nothing to do with "paying everyone the same" or "getting rid of the wealthy class." Obviously this economy needs rich people, there simply must be something done about stagnant or declining wages and not letting the wealthy have all of the income gains.

Government regulation

Again, the automatic extreme conclusion is "you want to end capitalism! You want the government to own all the jobs!"

Once again ridiculous. We simply don't want corporations to do whatever the fuck they want. We want laws that protect consumers and the economy at large. Believe it or not, the private market can still thrive with reasonable regulation. Contrary to what repubs tell you, regulations rarely have anything to do with a failing business. The BLS proves that.

Gun control

When Obama said that something must be done about mass shootings, the automatic reaction by the right is "he's coming for our guns - for realz this time derp, derp, derp!"

Now granted liberal opinion of gun control is pretty varied, but what repubs can't seem to grasp is that a very tiny minority in this country actually want to abolish the second amendment. I personally just want strict background checks and registration. Anyone that does want to ban all guns, has no political voice anyway. Gun control legislation of any kind rarely ever passes yet repubs like to pretend the right is in jeopardy which is so stupid it's not even funny. I don't understand why you people kid yourselves.

Socialism

Now socialism is a very broad term. Rightwingers think any context of the word involves the absence of the private market. This is completely false. Our defense budget is one of the biggest socialist institutions in the world yet repubs are too dumb to appreciate that fact. Bernie Sanders is a democratic socialist. He supports capitalism, he simply wants it strictly regulated to protect the lower classes. He wants socialist programs that provide free college tuition and paid medical leave (both of which are paid for through taxes). In the context of our government system, that really is no different than paying taxes for the government maintaining our highways or our badass military.

If you take the emotion out of politics when it matters, you understand them more.

The Republicans like Ted Cruz play on that.

Great post.

 

[Billy000]

This is a deficit that I think the right should be aware of. Critical thinking involves seeing the nuance in political issues. It's judging objective information and deciding what is true, false, or partially true.

The rightwing ideology is very emotionally driven. Rightwingers reason more with emotion than they do factual information. They see issues in very black and white terms. They only examine the extremes of a political ideology and fail to see the nuance within. It causes them to misunderstand many progressive issues and progressives themselves.

Let me give you all some examples:

Income inequality.

When a liberal discusses this issue, it really doesn't matter what he or she says about it. The crazy Rightwinger automatically jumps to the extreme conclusion of "you're just jealous of their wealth! You want to get rid of capitalism and have the government own us all derp, derp, derp!"

This is of course ridiculous. Liberals simply want to save the middle class from diminishing and boost wages for the poor. It has nothing to do with "paying everyone the same" or "getting rid of the wealthy class." Obviously this economy needs rich people, there simply must be something done about stagnant or declining wages and not letting the wealthy have all of the income gains.

Government regulation

Again, the automatic extreme conclusion is "you want to end capitalism! You want the government to own all the jobs!"

Once again ridiculous. We simply don't want corporations to do whatever the fuck they want. We want laws that protect consumers and the economy at large. Believe it or not, the private market can still thrive with reasonable regulation. Contrary to what repubs tell you, regulations rarely have anything to do with a failing business. The BLS proves that.

Gun control

When Obama said that something must be done about mass shootings, the automatic reaction by the right is "he's coming for our guns - for realz this time derp, derp, derp!"

Now granted liberal opinion of gun control is pretty varied, but what repubs can't seem to grasp is that a very tiny minority in this country actually want to abolish the second amendment. I personally just want strict background checks and registration. Anyone that does want to ban all guns, has no political voice anyway. Gun control legislation of any kind rarely ever passes yet repubs like to pretend the right is in jeopardy which is so stupid it's not even funny. I don't understand why you people kid yourselves.

Socialism

Now socialism is a very broad term. Rightwingers think any context of the word involves the absence of the private market. This is completely false. Our defense budget is one of the biggest socialist institutions in the world yet repubs are too dumb to appreciate that fact. Bernie Sanders is a democratic socialist. He supports capitalism, he simply wants it strictly regulated to protect the lower classes. He wants socialist programs that provide free college tuition and paid medical leave (both of which are paid for through taxes). In the context of our government system, that really is no different than paying taxes for the government maintaining our highways or our badass military.

If you take the emotion out of politics when it matters, you understand them more.

What I find funny is you accusing the repubs of lacking critical thinking skills then post a General Discussion thread in Politics. Not helping your cause there bucko.

Putting Mod hat on....

MOVED to General Discussion

You and I both know that is bullshit. It has everything to do with politics. Can't you be unbiased for once? Do you have to be a crybaby about it?

No, it has to do with political philosophy which isn't a Politics thread (which pretty clearly states "Discuss Government policies and Candidates"), but it it most certainly is a General Discussion thread.

Oh right so me discussing specific policies makes no never mind to you? You're full of shit.

Wow, are you really that stupid? How is a general discussion of political philosophy a talk about the government and its policies? Hmmmm????

Whoever said you knew how to critically think, was lying to you, bub.

What are you even talking about? Stop ignoring the fact that I discussed specific political issues. My thread centered on how Rightwingers and republicans approach these issues.

 

[tyroneweaver]

The rightwing ideology is very emotionally driven. Rightwingers reason more with emotion than they do factual information. They see issues in very black and white terms.

What I find funny is you accusing the repubs of lacking critical thinking skills then post a General Discussion thread in Politics. Not helping your cause there bucko.

Putting Mod hat on....

MOVED to General Discussion

You and I both know that is bullshit. It has everything to do with politics. Can't you be unbiased for once? Do you have to be a crybaby about it?

No, it has to do with political philosophy which isn't a Politics thread (which pretty clearly states "Discuss Government policies and Candidates"), but it it most certainly is a General Discussion thread.

Oh right so me discussing specific policies makes no never mind to you? You're full of shit.

Your emotional responses are hilarious.

Where are you getting this idea i am against emotional response to this thread?

The rightwing ideology is very emotionally driven. Rightwingers reason more with emotion than they do factual information. They see issues in very black and white terms.

your own words

 

[Billy000]

The rightwing ideology is very emotionally driven. Rightwingers reason more with emotion than they do factual information. They see issues in very black and white terms.

You and I both know that is bullshit. It has everything to do with politics. Can't you be unbiased for once? Do you have to be a crybaby about it?

No, it has to do with political philosophy which isn't a Politics thread (which pretty clearly states "Discuss Government policies and Candidates"), but it it most certainly is a General Discussion thread.

Oh right so me discussing specific policies makes no never mind to you? You're full of shit.

Your emotional responses are hilarious.

Where are you getting this idea i am against emotional response to this thread?

The rightwing ideology is very emotionally driven. Rightwingers reason more with emotion than they do factual information. They see issues in very black and white terms.

your own words

Yes I am aware of that lol. I never said anything about using emotion in response to this thread.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Critical thinking usually involves an analysis of something by breaking it down into it's basic parts.

So, the first thing you'd need to do is break down critical thinking to something you an look at and say...that is critical thinking.

The next might be looking at the examples BillyBoyFail puts up and uses for his argument....

Let's look at the first. From BillyBoyFail's OP.....

When a liberal discusses this issue, it really doesn't matter what he or she says about it. The crazy Rightwinger automatically jumps to the extreme conclusion of "you're just jealous of their wealth! You want to get rid of capitalism and have the government own us all derp, derp, derp!"

This is of course ridiculous. Liberals simply want to save the middle class from diminishing and boost wages for the poor. It has nothing to do with "paying everyone the same" or "getting rid of the wealthy class." Obviously this economy needs rich people, there simply must be something done about stagnant or declining wages and not letting the wealthy have all of the income gains.

1. When liberals discuss the issue.....well, since we can't agree what a liberal is (I am more liberal than Billy), I am not sure how you get started with this one. But lets give him the benefit of the doubt.
2. He makes the claim about the "crazy Rightwinger". O.K. who is that ? Someone who is crazy because they automatically jump (as BillyFail says) or are they qualified by some other measurement. If not, the the argument means nothing because it has become circular.
3. Does the argument he says they present fall apart under scrutiny ? Not sure. This, of course is a case of gross overgeneralization.
4. He says liberals want to save the middle class. That's garbage. Liberals don't do anything. Liberal is a philosophy....not a PAC.
5. Continuing. There is no argument that says that saving the middle class is worthwhile. It's just assumed to be a fact ? Wow...that is critical thinking. Here eat this and love because I told you so. Oh...it's self evident ? Why didn't you say so ?
It's not so self evident to the rest of us. Prove it. Prove the middle class is worth saving. Doing that is a part of critical thinking (and if you come back and argue on this point alone you've just cratered the few nanometers of credibility you might have had remaining). Do you really expect people should swallow your postulates without explanation ?
6. The assertion is made that "something must be done" again with no weighted explanation as to why. Unless..it has to do with the lame statement about the middle class.

All of the base assumptions BillyFail calls out could be true. But he certainly did nothing to make the argument.

A critical argument fail on his part.....again.

 

[tyroneweaver]

The rightwing ideology is very emotionally driven. Rightwingers reason more with emotion than they do factual information. They see issues in very black and white terms.

No, it has to do with political philosophy which isn't a Politics thread (which pretty clearly states "Discuss Government policies and Candidates"), but it it most certainly is a General Discussion thread.

Oh right so me discussing specific policies makes no never mind to you? You're full of shit.

Your emotional responses are hilarious.

Where are you getting this idea i am against emotional response to this thread?

The rightwing ideology is very emotionally driven. Rightwingers reason more with emotion than they do factual information. They see issues in very black and white terms.

your own words

Yes I am aware of that lol. I never said anything about using emotion in response to this thread.

Little bit of black white (concrete) thinking in that response, don't ya think?

 

[IsaacNewton]

This is a deficit that I think the right should be aware of. Critical thinking involves seeing the nuance in political issues. It's judging objective information and deciding what is true, false, or partially true.

The rightwing ideology is very emotionally driven. Rightwingers reason more with emotion than they do factual information. They see issues in very black and white terms. They only examine the extremes of a political ideology and fail to see the nuance within. It causes them to misunderstand many progressive issues and progressives themselves.

Let me give you all some examples:

Income inequality.

When a liberal discusses this issue, it really doesn't matter what he or she says about it. The crazy Rightwinger automatically jumps to the extreme conclusion of "you're just jealous of their wealth! You want to get rid of capitalism and have the government own us all derp, derp, derp!"

This is of course ridiculous. Liberals simply want to save the middle class from diminishing and boost wages for the poor. It has nothing to do with "paying everyone the same" or "getting rid of the wealthy class." Obviously this economy needs rich people, there simply must be something done about stagnant or declining wages and not letting the wealthy have all of the income gains.

Government regulation

Again, the automatic extreme conclusion is "you want to end capitalism! You want the government to own all the jobs!"

Once again ridiculous. We simply don't want corporations to do whatever the fuck they want. We want laws that protect consumers and the economy at large. Believe it or not, the private market can still thrive with reasonable regulation. Contrary to what repubs tell you, regulations rarely have anything to do with a failing business. The BLS proves that.

Gun control

When Obama said that something must be done about mass shootings, the automatic reaction by the right is "he's coming for our guns - for realz this time derp, derp, derp!"

Now granted liberal opinion of gun control is pretty varied, but what repubs can't seem to grasp is that a very tiny minority in this country actually want to abolish the second amendment. I personally just want strict background checks and registration. Anyone that does want to ban all guns, has no political voice anyway. Gun control legislation of any kind rarely ever passes yet repubs like to pretend the right is in jeopardy which is so stupid it's not even funny. I don't understand why you people kid yourselves.

Socialism

Now socialism is a very broad term. Rightwingers think any context of the word involves the absence of the private market. This is completely false. Our defense budget is one of the biggest socialist institutions in the world yet repubs are too dumb to appreciate that fact. Bernie Sanders is a democratic socialist. He supports capitalism, he simply wants it strictly regulated to protect the lower classes. He wants socialist programs that provide free college tuition and paid medical leave (both of which are paid for through taxes). In the context of our government system, that really is no different than paying taxes for the government maintaining our highways or our badass military.

If you take the emotion out of politics when it matters, you understand them more.

Good post and you are right and quite reasonable. You can bet though that the cons here WILL react with pavlovian emotion.

That is all they have. They don't possess any further thinking facilities. Fear and the angry reaction fear projects is who they are.

 

[Billy000]

This is a deficit that I think the right should be aware of. Critical thinking involves seeing the nuance in political issues. It's judging objective information and deciding what is true, false, or partially true.

The rightwing ideology is very emotionally driven. Rightwingers reason more with emotion than they do factual information. They see issues in very black and white terms. They only examine the extremes of a political ideology and fail to see the nuance within. It causes them to misunderstand many progressive issues and progressives themselves.

Let me give you all some examples:

Income inequality.

When a liberal discusses this issue, it really doesn't matter what he or she says about it. The crazy Rightwinger automatically jumps to the extreme conclusion of "you're just jealous of their wealth! You want to get rid of capitalism and have the government own us all derp, derp, derp!"

This is of course ridiculous. Liberals simply want to save the middle class from diminishing and boost wages for the poor. It has nothing to do with "paying everyone the same" or "getting rid of the wealthy class." Obviously this economy needs rich people, there simply must be something done about stagnant or declining wages and not letting the wealthy have all of the income gains.

Government regulation

Again, the automatic extreme conclusion is "you want to end capitalism! You want the government to own all the jobs!"

Once again ridiculous. We simply don't want corporations to do whatever the fuck they want. We want laws that protect consumers and the economy at large. Believe it or not, the private market can still thrive with reasonable regulation. Contrary to what repubs tell you, regulations rarely have anything to do with a failing business. The BLS proves that.

Gun control

When Obama said that something must be done about mass shootings, the automatic reaction by the right is "he's coming for our guns - for realz this time derp, derp, derp!"

Now granted liberal opinion of gun control is pretty varied, but what repubs can't seem to grasp is that a very tiny minority in this country actually want to abolish the second amendment. I personally just want strict background checks and registration. Anyone that does want to ban all guns, has no political voice anyway. Gun control legislation of any kind rarely ever passes yet repubs like to pretend the right is in jeopardy which is so stupid it's not even funny. I don't understand why you people kid yourselves.

Socialism

Now socialism is a very broad term. Rightwingers think any context of the word involves the absence of the private market. This is completely false. Our defense budget is one of the biggest socialist institutions in the world yet repubs are too dumb to appreciate that fact. Bernie Sanders is a democratic socialist. He supports capitalism, he simply wants it strictly regulated to protect the lower classes. He wants socialist programs that provide free college tuition and paid medical leave (both of which are paid for through taxes). In the context of our government system, that really is no different than paying taxes for the government maintaining our highways or our badass military.

If you take the emotion out of politics when it matters, you understand them more.

Good post and you are right and quite reasonable. You can bet though that the cons here WILL react with pavlovian emotion.

That is all they have. They don't possess any further thinking facilities. Fear and the angry reaction fear projects is who they are.

Yeah, it's depressing.

 

[westwall]

What I find funny is you accusing the repubs of lacking critical thinking skills then post a General Discussion thread in Politics. Not helping your cause there bucko.

Putting Mod hat on....

MOVED to General Discussion

You and I both know that is bullshit. It has everything to do with politics. Can't you be unbiased for once? Do you have to be a crybaby about it?

No, it has to do with political philosophy which isn't a Politics thread (which pretty clearly states "Discuss Government policies and Candidates"), but it it most certainly is a General Discussion thread.

Oh right so me discussing specific policies makes no never mind to you? You're full of shit.

Wow, are you really that stupid? How is a general discussion of political philosophy a talk about the government and its policies? Hmmmm????

Whoever said you knew how to critically think, was lying to you, bub.

What are you even talking about? Stop ignoring the fact that I discussed specific political issues. My thread centered on how Rightwingers and republicans approach these issues.

You are not demonstrating critical thinking skills here dude. Truly...think about what the Politics forum is for, and then compare that with what you posted. It ain't hard. Even some pretty dim people have already figured it out....so why haven't you?

 

[Billy000]

You and I both know that is bullshit. It has everything to do with politics. Can't you be unbiased for once? Do you have to be a crybaby about it?

No, it has to do with political philosophy which isn't a Politics thread (which pretty clearly states "Discuss Government policies and Candidates"), but it it most certainly is a General Discussion thread.

Oh right so me discussing specific policies makes no never mind to you? You're full of shit.

Wow, are you really that stupid? How is a general discussion of political philosophy a talk about the government and its policies? Hmmmm????

Whoever said you knew how to critically think, was lying to you, bub.

What are you even talking about? Stop ignoring the fact that I discussed specific political issues. My thread centered on how Rightwingers and republicans approach these issues.

You are not demonstrating critical thinking skills here dude. Truly...think about what the Politics forum is for, and then compare that with what you posted. It ain't hard. Even some pretty dim people have already figured it out....so why haven't you?

Oh right I discussed "political philosophy" which somehow negates the fact that I brought up specific issues. Either way, you're full of shit. Plenty of people on the politics forum have discussed the psychology and philosophy of politics in regards to specific issues. I seriously doubt the actual creators of this site would be against that.

 

[Iron Head]

Ha ha ha!!!! That op is hilarious! Kudos! Next why don't you give a dissertation on the value of diversity! Ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!

 

[Billy000]

Ha ha ha!!!! That op is hilarious! Kudos! Next why don't you give a dissertation on the value of diversity! Ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!

Ok sure.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

No, it has to do with political philosophy which isn't a Politics thread (which pretty clearly states "Discuss Government policies and Candidates"), but it it most certainly is a General Discussion thread.

Oh right so me discussing specific policies makes no never mind to you? You're full of shit.

Wow, are you really that stupid? How is a general discussion of political philosophy a talk about the government and its policies? Hmmmm????

Whoever said you knew how to critically think, was lying to you, bub.

What are you even talking about? Stop ignoring the fact that I discussed specific political issues. My thread centered on how Rightwingers and republicans approach these issues.

You are not demonstrating critical thinking skills here dude. Truly...think about what the Politics forum is for, and then compare that with what you posted. It ain't hard. Even some pretty dim people have already figured it out....so why haven't you?

Oh right I discussed "political philosophy" which somehow negates the fact that I brought up specific issues. Either way, you're full of shit. Plenty of people on the politics forum have discussed the psychology and philosophy of politics in regards to specific issues. I seriously doubt the actual creators of this site would be against that.

You didn't discuss anything of the sort.

You offered up a dumbassed opinion with no substantiation.

 

[Iceweasel]

This is a deficit that I think the right should be aware of. Critical thinking involves seeing the nuance in political issues. It's judging objective information and deciding what is true, false, or partially true.

The rightwing ideology is very emotionally driven. Rightwingers reason more with emotion than they do factual information. They see issues in very black and white terms. They only examine the extremes of a political ideology and fail to see the nuance within. It causes them to misunderstand many progressive issues and progressives themselves.

You are seriously fucked up. You have it ass backwards, not even a good try. On one hand the righties are heartless bastards because they want to hang on to more of their earnings and on the other hand they are emotionally driven? The problem with the left is that you wouldn't know reality if it bit you in the ass.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

From the OP:

Government regulation

Again, the automatic extreme conclusion is "you want to end capitalism! You want the government to own all the jobs!"

Once again ridiculous. We simply don't want corporations to do whatever the fuck they want. We want laws that protect consumers and the economy at large. Believe it or not, the private market can still thrive with reasonable regulation. Contrary to what repubs tell you, regulations rarely have anything to do with a failing business. The BLS proves that.

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Yes that was some critical thinking and one hell of an argument.

We don't want corporations to do whatever they want ?

Let's see....corporations want to make money. They live and breath in the marketplace.

But, according to Billy, a supermarket could somehow kill or make a bunch of people sick and not be accountable for it without the FDA. ROTFLMAO. A local restaraunt where I live just got a bunch of people sick. No FDA was involved (and it looks like they didn't stop it...nor did the health inspector). Nobody called the cops. Their business is hurting and they are working doubly hard to regain the trust of a lot of people.

Government didn't touch this. They didn't stop it (we certainly got screwed there).

Billy also does not understand that large corporations help write regulations to keep competition out. C'mon Billy000....admit it...you've got no clue whatsoever.

Believe it or not, nobody argues with reasonable regulations. Are you aware of the efforts to build the new refinery outside of Yuma AZ. That refinery has been in the works for almost 30 years. All because of regulation. But that is "reasonsonable".

Reasonable to BillyFail is whatever he thinks it is.

And BillyFail's critical thinking is failing him bigtime.

He ascribes this all to the right wing (which I don't like). The left is just as good at it as the right.

You just need to overgeneralize to make yourself look smart in your eyes.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Hey Bllly.......

Billy ???

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Let's bump this little gem again.

Billy000

You still claim your OP demonstrates the critical thinking skills you are yaking about ?