What's new
US Message Board 🦅 Political Discussion Forum

Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

The Bible Is Still The Best Guide

Bush92

GHBush1992
Joined
May 23, 2014
Messages
34,791
Reaction score
10,598
Points
1,400
I'd say that we wouldn't have $trillions in national debt if the Bible was still the best guide for the economy.



1. Who is to decide what is fair, and what is too much? Some religions suggest tithing, and government demands taxes.

Joseph gathered very much grain
: It seems it was customary for Pharaoh to take 10% of the grain in Egypt as a tax. Essentially, Joseph doubled the taxes over the next seven years (Genesis 41:34 mentions one-fifth, that is, 20%).

That 20% figure appears again in the relationship of colonists to North America, and the English crown "....colonists were free to retain all the profits and fruits of their labor save for the crown's 20 percent share of any gold and silver discovered." "Freedom Just Around the Corner: A New American History: 1585-1828," by Walter A. McDougall, p.33





2. "Do you believe that it is moral and just for one person to be forcibly used to serve the purposes of another? And, if that person does not peaceably submit to such use, do you believe that there should be the initiation of force against him? Neither question is complex and can be answered by either a yes or no. For me the answer is no to both questions. I bet that nearly every college professor, politician or even minister could not give a simple yes or no response.

3. A no answer, translated to public policy, would slash the federal budget by no less than two-thirds to three-quarters. After all most federal spending consists of taking the earnings of one American to give to another American in the form of farm subsidies, business bailouts, aid to higher education, welfare and food stamps. Keep in mind that Congress has no resources of its own. Plus there's no Santa Claus or tooth fairy that gives Congress resources. Thus, the only way that Congress can give one American a dollar is to first, through intimidation and coercion, confiscate that dollar from some other American.

4. Such actions by the U.S. Congress should offend any sense of moral decency. If you're a Christian or a Jew, you should be against the notion of one American living at the expense of some other American. When God gave Moses the Eighth Commandment -- "Thou shalt not steal" -- I am sure that He did not mean thou shalt not steal unless there is a majority vote in the U.S. Congress."
US in Moral Decline




5.There is no requirement of forced 'charity' in the Bible. .... under biblical direction...it is up to the giver to decide to give and how much he or she can afford to give, and, in many cases, whether he or she will give at all!

That's correct.....there is no demand to underwrite the undeserving.

God allows free choice. In fact, free will is essential to true Judeo-Christianity.

It is only under the atheistic doctrines communism, socialism, Liberalism, Nazism, Progressivism, or Fascism, that the fruits of one's labor is confiscated, and used by these various totalitarian forms to advance despotism.
You bet Chic! Philanthropy takes care of so many segments of our society, from welfare, free lunches, public housing, free medical care, and education...it is mind boggling. Not to mention the taxes that are paid. Democratic Party politicians need crybabies to elect them.
 

Mikey G

Diamond Member
Joined
Jan 5, 2019
Messages
32,882
Reaction score
16,598
Points
1,915
Location
_Arkansas~_The Natural State_
We should rob the Vatican.
They probably have a few trillion stashed in there somewhere.
 

Syriusly

Diamond Member
Joined
Oct 15, 2014
Messages
54,852
Reaction score
7,133
Points
1,840
I'd say that we wouldn't have $trillions in national debt if the Bible was still the best guide for the economy.



1. Who is to decide what is fair, and what is too much? Some religions suggest tithing, and government demands taxes.

Joseph gathered very much grain
: It seems it was customary for Pharaoh to take 10% of the grain in Egypt as a tax. Essentially, Joseph doubled the taxes over the next seven years (Genesis 41:34 mentions one-fifth, that is, 20%).

That 20% figure appears again in the relationship of colonists to North America, and the English crown "....colonists were free to retain all the profits and fruits of their labor save for the crown's 20 percent share of any gold and silver discovered." "Freedom Just Around the Corner: A New American History: 1585-1828," by Walter A. McDougall, p.33





2. "Do you believe that it is moral and just for one person to be forcibly used to serve the purposes of another? And, if that person does not peaceably submit to such use, do you believe that there should be the initiation of force against him? Neither question is complex and can be answered by either a yes or no. For me the answer is no to both questions. I bet that nearly every college professor, politician or even minister could not give a simple yes or no response.

3. A no answer, translated to public policy, would slash the federal budget by no less than two-thirds to three-quarters. After all most federal spending consists of taking the earnings of one American to give to another American in the form of farm subsidies, business bailouts, aid to higher education, welfare and food stamps. Keep in mind that Congress has no resources of its own. Plus there's no Santa Claus or tooth fairy that gives Congress resources. Thus, the only way that Congress can give one American a dollar is to first, through intimidation and coercion, confiscate that dollar from some other American.

4. Such actions by the U.S. Congress should offend any sense of moral decency. If you're a Christian or a Jew, you should be against the notion of one American living at the expense of some other American. When God gave Moses the Eighth Commandment -- "Thou shalt not steal" -- I am sure that He did not mean thou shalt not steal unless there is a majority vote in the U.S. Congress."
US in Moral Decline




5.There is no requirement of forced 'charity' in the Bible. .... under biblical direction...it is up to the giver to decide to give and how much he or she can afford to give, and, in many cases, whether he or she will give at all!

That's correct.....there is no demand to underwrite the undeserving.

God allows free choice. In fact, free will is essential to true Judeo-Christianity.

It is only under the atheistic doctrines communism, socialism, Liberalism, Nazism, Progressivism, or Fascism, that the fruits of one's labor is confiscated, and used by these various totalitarian forms to advance despotism.
Matthew 22:15–22
7 Tell us, then, what you think. Is it lawful to pay taxes to the emperor, or not?” 18 But Jesus, aware of their malice, said, “Why are you putting me to the test, you hypocrites? 19 Show me the coin used for the tax.” And they brought him a denarius. 20 Then he said to them, “Whose head is this, and whose title?” 21 They answered, “The emperor’s.” Then he said to them, “Give therefore to the emperor the things that are the emperor’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” 22 When they heard this, they were amazed; and they left him and went away.

In Romans 13:1,

"Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God."

Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
 

Syriusly

Diamond Member
Joined
Oct 15, 2014
Messages
54,852
Reaction score
7,133
Points
1,840
And with that I leave PC to spewing his usual idiocy and lies.
 

anynameyouwish

Gold Member
Joined
Nov 28, 2018
Messages
5,920
Reaction score
1,470
Points
170
I'd say that we wouldn't have $trillions in national debt if the Bible was still the best guide for the economy.



1. Who is to decide what is fair, and what is too much? Some religions suggest tithing, and government demands taxes.

Joseph gathered very much grain
: It seems it was customary for Pharaoh to take 10% of the grain in Egypt as a tax. Essentially, Joseph doubled the taxes over the next seven years (Genesis 41:34 mentions one-fifth, that is, 20%).

That 20% figure appears again in the relationship of colonists to North America, and the English crown "....colonists were free to retain all the profits and fruits of their labor save for the crown's 20 percent share of any gold and silver discovered." "Freedom Just Around the Corner: A New American History: 1585-1828," by Walter A. McDougall, p.33





2. "Do you believe that it is moral and just for one person to be forcibly used to serve the purposes of another? And, if that person does not peaceably submit to such use, do you believe that there should be the initiation of force against him? Neither question is complex and can be answered by either a yes or no. For me the answer is no to both questions. I bet that nearly every college professor, politician or even minister could not give a simple yes or no response.

3. A no answer, translated to public policy, would slash the federal budget by no less than two-thirds to three-quarters. After all most federal spending consists of taking the earnings of one American to give to another American in the form of farm subsidies, business bailouts, aid to higher education, welfare and food stamps. Keep in mind that Congress has no resources of its own. Plus there's no Santa Claus or tooth fairy that gives Congress resources. Thus, the only way that Congress can give one American a dollar is to first, through intimidation and coercion, confiscate that dollar from some other American.

4. Such actions by the U.S. Congress should offend any sense of moral decency. If you're a Christian or a Jew, you should be against the notion of one American living at the expense of some other American. When God gave Moses the Eighth Commandment -- "Thou shalt not steal" -- I am sure that He did not mean thou shalt not steal unless there is a majority vote in the U.S. Congress."
US in Moral Decline




5.There is no requirement of forced 'charity' in the Bible. .... under biblical direction...it is up to the giver to decide to give and how much he or she can afford to give, and, in many cases, whether he or she will give at all!

That's correct.....there is no demand to underwrite the undeserving.

God allows free choice. In fact, free will is essential to true Judeo-Christianity.

It is only under the atheistic doctrines communism, socialism, Liberalism, Nazism, Progressivism, or Fascism, that the fruits of one's labor is confiscated, and used by these various totalitarian forms to advance despotism.



"It is only under the atheistic doctrines communism, socialism, Liberalism, Nazism, Progressivism, or Fascism, that the fruits of one's labor is confiscated, and used by these various totalitarian forms to advance despotism."



des·pot·ism
/ˈdespəˌtizəm/
Learn to pronounce
noun
noun: despotism

the exercise of absolute power, especially in a cruel and oppressive way.



so you think trump is a liberal atheist?

If you think my wanting equal rights for gays and legal pot makes me a DESPOT then you are crazier than you think


btw.....a lot of that fruit of your labor goes for the military budget

and trumps golf outings.
 

Moonglow

Diamond Member
Joined
Jun 27, 2011
Messages
172,376
Reaction score
29,370
Points
2,220
Location
sw mizzouri
I'd say that we wouldn't have $trillions in national debt if the Bible was still the best guide for the economy.



1. Who is to decide what is fair, and what is too much? Some religions suggest tithing, and government demands taxes.

Joseph gathered very much grain
: It seems it was customary for Pharaoh to take 10% of the grain in Egypt as a tax. Essentially, Joseph doubled the taxes over the next seven years (Genesis 41:34 mentions one-fifth, that is, 20%).

That 20% figure appears again in the relationship of colonists to North America, and the English crown "....colonists were free to retain all the profits and fruits of their labor save for the crown's 20 percent share of any gold and silver discovered." "Freedom Just Around the Corner: A New American History: 1585-1828," by Walter A. McDougall, p.33





2. "Do you believe that it is moral and just for one person to be forcibly used to serve the purposes of another? And, if that person does not peaceably submit to such use, do you believe that there should be the initiation of force against him? Neither question is complex and can be answered by either a yes or no. For me the answer is no to both questions. I bet that nearly every college professor, politician or even minister could not give a simple yes or no response.

3. A no answer, translated to public policy, would slash the federal budget by no less than two-thirds to three-quarters. After all most federal spending consists of taking the earnings of one American to give to another American in the form of farm subsidies, business bailouts, aid to higher education, welfare and food stamps. Keep in mind that Congress has no resources of its own. Plus there's no Santa Claus or tooth fairy that gives Congress resources. Thus, the only way that Congress can give one American a dollar is to first, through intimidation and coercion, confiscate that dollar from some other American.

4. Such actions by the U.S. Congress should offend any sense of moral decency. If you're a Christian or a Jew, you should be against the notion of one American living at the expense of some other American. When God gave Moses the Eighth Commandment -- "Thou shalt not steal" -- I am sure that He did not mean thou shalt not steal unless there is a majority vote in the U.S. Congress."
US in Moral Decline




5.There is no requirement of forced 'charity' in the Bible. .... under biblical direction...it is up to the giver to decide to give and how much he or she can afford to give, and, in many cases, whether he or she will give at all!

That's correct.....there is no demand to underwrite the undeserving.

God allows free choice. In fact, free will is essential to true Judeo-Christianity.

It is only under the atheistic doctrines communism, socialism, Liberalism, Nazism, Progressivism, or Fascism, that the fruits of one's labor is confiscated, and used by these various totalitarian forms to advance despotism.



"It is only under the atheistic doctrines communism, socialism, Liberalism, Nazism, Progressivism, or Fascism, that the fruits of one's labor is confiscated, and used by these various totalitarian forms to advance despotism."



des·pot·ism
/ˈdespəˌtizəm/
Learn to pronounce
noun
noun: despotism

the exercise of absolute power, especially in a cruel and oppressive way.



so you think trump is a liberal atheist?

If you think my wanting equal rights for gays and legal pot makes me a DESPOT then you are crazier than you think


btw.....a lot of that fruit of your labor goes for the military budget

and trumps golf outings.
Marxism is the only godless philosophy for govt. Your introduction of philosophies which do not exclude religion is wrong as usual..
 

Crixus

Gold Member
Joined
Oct 9, 2015
Messages
24,291
Reaction score
3,627
Points
290
Location
BFE Texas.
I'd say that we wouldn't have $trillions in national debt if the Bible was still the best guide for the economy.



1. Who is to decide what is fair, and what is too much? Some religions suggest tithing, and government demands taxes.

Joseph gathered very much grain
: It seems it was customary for Pharaoh to take 10% of the grain in Egypt as a tax. Essentially, Joseph doubled the taxes over the next seven years (Genesis 41:34 mentions one-fifth, that is, 20%).

That 20% figure appears again in the relationship of colonists to North America, and the English crown "....colonists were free to retain all the profits and fruits of their labor save for the crown's 20 percent share of any gold and silver discovered." "Freedom Just Around the Corner: A New American History: 1585-1828," by Walter A. McDougall, p.33





2. "Do you believe that it is moral and just for one person to be forcibly used to serve the purposes of another? And, if that person does not peaceably submit to such use, do you believe that there should be the initiation of force against him? Neither question is complex and can be answered by either a yes or no. For me the answer is no to both questions. I bet that nearly every college professor, politician or even minister could not give a simple yes or no response.

3. A no answer, translated to public policy, would slash the federal budget by no less than two-thirds to three-quarters. After all most federal spending consists of taking the earnings of one American to give to another American in the form of farm subsidies, business bailouts, aid to higher education, welfare and food stamps. Keep in mind that Congress has no resources of its own. Plus there's no Santa Claus or tooth fairy that gives Congress resources. Thus, the only way that Congress can give one American a dollar is to first, through intimidation and coercion, confiscate that dollar from some other American.

4. Such actions by the U.S. Congress should offend any sense of moral decency. If you're a Christian or a Jew, you should be against the notion of one American living at the expense of some other American. When God gave Moses the Eighth Commandment -- "Thou shalt not steal" -- I am sure that He did not mean thou shalt not steal unless there is a majority vote in the U.S. Congress."
US in Moral Decline




5.There is no requirement of forced 'charity' in the Bible. .... under biblical direction...it is up to the giver to decide to give and how much he or she can afford to give, and, in many cases, whether he or she will give at all!

That's correct.....there is no demand to underwrite the undeserving.

God allows free choice. In fact, free will is essential to true Judeo-Christianity.

It is only under the atheistic doctrines communism, socialism, Liberalism, Nazism, Progressivism, or Fascism, that the fruits of one's labor is confiscated, and used by these various totalitarian forms to advance despotism.



Bad comparison. If one is a Christian they know that one, they choose to be a Christian, they became a member of a church, and they know that a thithe isn't mandatory, it's given with glee.


"The Rich and the Kingdom of God
17 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. 19 You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.’[a]”

20 “Teacher,” he declared, “all these I have kept since I was a boy.”

21 Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

22 At this the man’s face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23 Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!”

24 The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, “Children, how hard it is[b] to enter the kingdom of God! 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God"


That's different then a tithe . A tithe is more of a statement to God. As a matter of fact, tithing is the one thing God tells his peeps to test him on. The government does no such thing. Sure, they supposedly fix roads and keep shit running, so yeah that's why we render unto Cesar what's his. Even the great Saul followed the laws of Rome and went willingly to his execution.



Please specify exactly what 'comparison is bad...'



And...please....no barnyard vulgarity.


Don't recall any barnyard vulgarities. The bible being the "word" of God is perfect (allegedly). It's aim is spreading the gospel. The government is about ruling people. The government will force you to hand over your money by putting you in prison and taking your stuff. No so with God, but he did kill a couple folks for lieing about giving. The part about rendering into Cesar what is Cesar's would be a better fit. Tithing is a holey statement that a believer makes to their God.

No, it's not really forced, but suggested. And it's about as socialist as any system can be. That Paul. If you read his books you will see him doing allot of collecting from his gentile churches for the churches back in Israel. So no, a tithe isn't forced, but it is a statement of faith for Christians,


So it's expected "Tithing" in the church and God blesses those who give abundantly, and it's a socialist system. The government demands a tithe, ignores you if you give abundantly and is a democracy.
 
OP
PoliticalChic

PoliticalChic

Diamond Member
Joined
Oct 6, 2008
Messages
111,758
Reaction score
46,368
Points
2,300
Location
Brooklyn, NY
I'd say that we wouldn't have $trillions in national debt if the Bible was still the best guide for the economy.



1. Who is to decide what is fair, and what is too much? Some religions suggest tithing, and government demands taxes.

Joseph gathered very much grain
: It seems it was customary for Pharaoh to take 10% of the grain in Egypt as a tax. Essentially, Joseph doubled the taxes over the next seven years (Genesis 41:34 mentions one-fifth, that is, 20%).

That 20% figure appears again in the relationship of colonists to North America, and the English crown "....colonists were free to retain all the profits and fruits of their labor save for the crown's 20 percent share of any gold and silver discovered." "Freedom Just Around the Corner: A New American History: 1585-1828," by Walter A. McDougall, p.33





2. "Do you believe that it is moral and just for one person to be forcibly used to serve the purposes of another? And, if that person does not peaceably submit to such use, do you believe that there should be the initiation of force against him? Neither question is complex and can be answered by either a yes or no. For me the answer is no to both questions. I bet that nearly every college professor, politician or even minister could not give a simple yes or no response.

3. A no answer, translated to public policy, would slash the federal budget by no less than two-thirds to three-quarters. After all most federal spending consists of taking the earnings of one American to give to another American in the form of farm subsidies, business bailouts, aid to higher education, welfare and food stamps. Keep in mind that Congress has no resources of its own. Plus there's no Santa Claus or tooth fairy that gives Congress resources. Thus, the only way that Congress can give one American a dollar is to first, through intimidation and coercion, confiscate that dollar from some other American.

4. Such actions by the U.S. Congress should offend any sense of moral decency. If you're a Christian or a Jew, you should be against the notion of one American living at the expense of some other American. When God gave Moses the Eighth Commandment -- "Thou shalt not steal" -- I am sure that He did not mean thou shalt not steal unless there is a majority vote in the U.S. Congress."
US in Moral Decline




5.There is no requirement of forced 'charity' in the Bible. .... under biblical direction...it is up to the giver to decide to give and how much he or she can afford to give, and, in many cases, whether he or she will give at all!

That's correct.....there is no demand to underwrite the undeserving.

God allows free choice. In fact, free will is essential to true Judeo-Christianity.

It is only under the atheistic doctrines communism, socialism, Liberalism, Nazism, Progressivism, or Fascism, that the fruits of one's labor is confiscated, and used by these various totalitarian forms to advance despotism.
You bet Chic! Philanthropy takes care of so many segments of our society, from welfare, free lunches, public housing, free medical care, and education...it is mind boggling. Not to mention the taxes that are paid. Democratic Party politicians need crybabies to elect them.



And the welfare system does on thing: buy Democrat votes.

"81% of people receiving public housing benefits vote Democratic – and that’s just the tip of the handout iceberg,"
Read more at Bernie Sanders peddled a false story on Russian election meddling, and people noticed
 
OP
PoliticalChic

PoliticalChic

Diamond Member
Joined
Oct 6, 2008
Messages
111,758
Reaction score
46,368
Points
2,300
Location
Brooklyn, NY
I'd say that we wouldn't have $trillions in national debt if the Bible was still the best guide for the economy.



1. Who is to decide what is fair, and what is too much? Some religions suggest tithing, and government demands taxes.

Joseph gathered very much grain
: It seems it was customary for Pharaoh to take 10% of the grain in Egypt as a tax. Essentially, Joseph doubled the taxes over the next seven years (Genesis 41:34 mentions one-fifth, that is, 20%).

That 20% figure appears again in the relationship of colonists to North America, and the English crown "....colonists were free to retain all the profits and fruits of their labor save for the crown's 20 percent share of any gold and silver discovered." "Freedom Just Around the Corner: A New American History: 1585-1828," by Walter A. McDougall, p.33





2. "Do you believe that it is moral and just for one person to be forcibly used to serve the purposes of another? And, if that person does not peaceably submit to such use, do you believe that there should be the initiation of force against him? Neither question is complex and can be answered by either a yes or no. For me the answer is no to both questions. I bet that nearly every college professor, politician or even minister could not give a simple yes or no response.

3. A no answer, translated to public policy, would slash the federal budget by no less than two-thirds to three-quarters. After all most federal spending consists of taking the earnings of one American to give to another American in the form of farm subsidies, business bailouts, aid to higher education, welfare and food stamps. Keep in mind that Congress has no resources of its own. Plus there's no Santa Claus or tooth fairy that gives Congress resources. Thus, the only way that Congress can give one American a dollar is to first, through intimidation and coercion, confiscate that dollar from some other American.

4. Such actions by the U.S. Congress should offend any sense of moral decency. If you're a Christian or a Jew, you should be against the notion of one American living at the expense of some other American. When God gave Moses the Eighth Commandment -- "Thou shalt not steal" -- I am sure that He did not mean thou shalt not steal unless there is a majority vote in the U.S. Congress."
US in Moral Decline




5.There is no requirement of forced 'charity' in the Bible. .... under biblical direction...it is up to the giver to decide to give and how much he or she can afford to give, and, in many cases, whether he or she will give at all!

That's correct.....there is no demand to underwrite the undeserving.

God allows free choice. In fact, free will is essential to true Judeo-Christianity.

It is only under the atheistic doctrines communism, socialism, Liberalism, Nazism, Progressivism, or Fascism, that the fruits of one's labor is confiscated, and used by these various totalitarian forms to advance despotism.
Matthew 22:15–22
7 Tell us, then, what you think. Is it lawful to pay taxes to the emperor, or not?” 18 But Jesus, aware of their malice, said, “Why are you putting me to the test, you hypocrites? 19 Show me the coin used for the tax.” And they brought him a denarius. 20 Then he said to them, “Whose head is this, and whose title?” 21 They answered, “The emperor’s.” Then he said to them, “Give therefore to the emperor the things that are the emperor’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” 22 When they heard this, they were amazed; and they left him and went away.

In Romans 13:1,

"Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God."

Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.



How much in taxes?

1. Who is to decide what is fair, and what is too much? Some religions suggest tithing, and government demands taxes.

Joseph gathered very much grain
: It seems it was customary for Pharaoh to take 10% of the grain in Egypt as a tax. Essentially, Joseph doubled the taxes over the next seven years (Genesis 41:34 mentions one-fifth, that is, 20%).

That 20% figure appears again in the relationship of colonists to North America, and the English crown "....colonists were free to retain all the profits and fruits of their labor save for the crown's 20 percent share of any gold and silver discovered." "Freedom Just Around the Corner: A New American History: 1585-1828," by Walter A. McDougall, p.33





2. "Do you believe that it is moral and just for one person to be forcibly used to serve the purposes of another? And, if that person does not peaceably submit to such use, do you believe that there should be the initiation of force against him? Neither question is complex and can be answered by either a yes or no. For me the answer is no to both questions. I bet that nearly every college professor, politician or even minister could not give a simple yes or no response.

3. A no answer, translated to public policy, would slash the federal budget by no less than two-thirds to three-quarters. After all most federal spending consists of taking the earnings of one American to give to another American in the form of farm subsidies, business bailouts, aid to higher education, welfare and food stamps. Keep in mind that Congress has no resources of its own. Plus there's no Santa Claus or tooth fairy that gives Congress resources. Thus, the only way that Congress can give one American a dollar is to first, through intimidation and coercion, confiscate that dollar from some other American.

4. Such actions by the U.S. Congress should offend any sense of moral decency. If you're a Christian or a Jew, you should be against the notion of one American living at the expense of some other American. When God gave Moses the Eighth Commandment -- "Thou shalt not steal" -- I am sure that He did not mean thou shalt not steal unless there is a majority vote in the U.S. Congress."
US in Moral Decline




5.There is no requirement of forced 'charity' in the Bible. .... under biblical direction...it is up to the giver to decide to give and how much he or she can afford to give, and, in many cases, whether he or she will give at all!

That's correct.....there is no demand to underwrite the undeserving.

God allows free choice. In fact, free will is essential to true Judeo-Christianity.

It is only under the atheistic doctrines communism, socialism, Liberalism, Nazism, Progressivism, or Fascism, that the fruits of one's labor is confiscated, and used by these various totalitarian forms to advance despotism.
 

Moonglow

Diamond Member
Joined
Jun 27, 2011
Messages
172,376
Reaction score
29,370
Points
2,220
Location
sw mizzouri
I'd say that we wouldn't have $trillions in national debt if the Bible was still the best guide for the economy.



1. Who is to decide what is fair, and what is too much? Some religions suggest tithing, and government demands taxes.

Joseph gathered very much grain
: It seems it was customary for Pharaoh to take 10% of the grain in Egypt as a tax. Essentially, Joseph doubled the taxes over the next seven years (Genesis 41:34 mentions one-fifth, that is, 20%).

That 20% figure appears again in the relationship of colonists to North America, and the English crown "....colonists were free to retain all the profits and fruits of their labor save for the crown's 20 percent share of any gold and silver discovered." "Freedom Just Around the Corner: A New American History: 1585-1828," by Walter A. McDougall, p.33





2. "Do you believe that it is moral and just for one person to be forcibly used to serve the purposes of another? And, if that person does not peaceably submit to such use, do you believe that there should be the initiation of force against him? Neither question is complex and can be answered by either a yes or no. For me the answer is no to both questions. I bet that nearly every college professor, politician or even minister could not give a simple yes or no response.

3. A no answer, translated to public policy, would slash the federal budget by no less than two-thirds to three-quarters. After all most federal spending consists of taking the earnings of one American to give to another American in the form of farm subsidies, business bailouts, aid to higher education, welfare and food stamps. Keep in mind that Congress has no resources of its own. Plus there's no Santa Claus or tooth fairy that gives Congress resources. Thus, the only way that Congress can give one American a dollar is to first, through intimidation and coercion, confiscate that dollar from some other American.

4. Such actions by the U.S. Congress should offend any sense of moral decency. If you're a Christian or a Jew, you should be against the notion of one American living at the expense of some other American. When God gave Moses the Eighth Commandment -- "Thou shalt not steal" -- I am sure that He did not mean thou shalt not steal unless there is a majority vote in the U.S. Congress."
US in Moral Decline




5.There is no requirement of forced 'charity' in the Bible. .... under biblical direction...it is up to the giver to decide to give and how much he or she can afford to give, and, in many cases, whether he or she will give at all!

That's correct.....there is no demand to underwrite the undeserving.

God allows free choice. In fact, free will is essential to true Judeo-Christianity.

It is only under the atheistic doctrines communism, socialism, Liberalism, Nazism, Progressivism, or Fascism, that the fruits of one's labor is confiscated, and used by these various totalitarian forms to advance despotism.
You bet Chic! Philanthropy takes care of so many segments of our society, from welfare, free lunches, public housing, free medical care, and education...it is mind boggling. Not to mention the taxes that are paid. Democratic Party politicians need crybabies to elect them.



And the welfare system does on thing: buy Democrat votes.

"81% of people receiving public housing benefits vote Democratic – and that’s just the tip of the handout iceberg,"
Read more at Bernie Sanders peddled a false story on Russian election meddling, and people noticed
The welfare system is available to all people during GOP or DNC victories in a campaign and it doesn't matter who is in office it continues. Unless you can prove that welfare recipients vote for Dems more since the largest recipients of SNAP (47%) is children...
For someone who claims to be Christian you sure are sour over who is getting welfare and how it gets there...
 
OP
PoliticalChic

PoliticalChic

Diamond Member
Joined
Oct 6, 2008
Messages
111,758
Reaction score
46,368
Points
2,300
Location
Brooklyn, NY
And with that I leave PC to spewing his usual idiocy and lies.



Lies???

Never....but you do.

And I ripped you a new one after this lie:

POLITICALCHIC SAID:

And the Liberals/Democrats called Obama god, the messiah, and Jesus.


You said this:

“No they didn’t. And I dare you to find anyone credible who did.

Why do you lie so much? Trump emulation?”

Does A Religion Need A God?
 
OP
PoliticalChic

PoliticalChic

Diamond Member
Joined
Oct 6, 2008
Messages
111,758
Reaction score
46,368
Points
2,300
Location
Brooklyn, NY
I'd say that we wouldn't have $trillions in national debt if the Bible was still the best guide for the economy.



1. Who is to decide what is fair, and what is too much? Some religions suggest tithing, and government demands taxes.

Joseph gathered very much grain
: It seems it was customary for Pharaoh to take 10% of the grain in Egypt as a tax. Essentially, Joseph doubled the taxes over the next seven years (Genesis 41:34 mentions one-fifth, that is, 20%).

That 20% figure appears again in the relationship of colonists to North America, and the English crown "....colonists were free to retain all the profits and fruits of their labor save for the crown's 20 percent share of any gold and silver discovered." "Freedom Just Around the Corner: A New American History: 1585-1828," by Walter A. McDougall, p.33





2. "Do you believe that it is moral and just for one person to be forcibly used to serve the purposes of another? And, if that person does not peaceably submit to such use, do you believe that there should be the initiation of force against him? Neither question is complex and can be answered by either a yes or no. For me the answer is no to both questions. I bet that nearly every college professor, politician or even minister could not give a simple yes or no response.

3. A no answer, translated to public policy, would slash the federal budget by no less than two-thirds to three-quarters. After all most federal spending consists of taking the earnings of one American to give to another American in the form of farm subsidies, business bailouts, aid to higher education, welfare and food stamps. Keep in mind that Congress has no resources of its own. Plus there's no Santa Claus or tooth fairy that gives Congress resources. Thus, the only way that Congress can give one American a dollar is to first, through intimidation and coercion, confiscate that dollar from some other American.

4. Such actions by the U.S. Congress should offend any sense of moral decency. If you're a Christian or a Jew, you should be against the notion of one American living at the expense of some other American. When God gave Moses the Eighth Commandment -- "Thou shalt not steal" -- I am sure that He did not mean thou shalt not steal unless there is a majority vote in the U.S. Congress."
US in Moral Decline




5.There is no requirement of forced 'charity' in the Bible. .... under biblical direction...it is up to the giver to decide to give and how much he or she can afford to give, and, in many cases, whether he or she will give at all!

That's correct.....there is no demand to underwrite the undeserving.

God allows free choice. In fact, free will is essential to true Judeo-Christianity.

It is only under the atheistic doctrines communism, socialism, Liberalism, Nazism, Progressivism, or Fascism, that the fruits of one's labor is confiscated, and used by these various totalitarian forms to advance despotism.



"It is only under the atheistic doctrines communism, socialism, Liberalism, Nazism, Progressivism, or Fascism, that the fruits of one's labor is confiscated, and used by these various totalitarian forms to advance despotism."



des·pot·ism
/ˈdespəˌtizəm/
Learn to pronounce
noun
noun: despotism

the exercise of absolute power, especially in a cruel and oppressive way.



so you think trump is a liberal atheist?

If you think my wanting equal rights for gays and legal pot makes me a DESPOT then you are crazier than you think


btw.....a lot of that fruit of your labor goes for the military budget

and trumps golf outings.



Your lesson for today:

The Founders, classical liberals, and conservatives:
a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.



or


Communism, Nazism, Liberalism, socialism, Progressivism, and fascism.
b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.





" Franklin Roosevelt had pictured a place where citizens were joined in a collective enterprise ... Reagan pictured a more individualistic America where everyone would flourish once freed from the shackles of the state, and so the watchwords became self-reliance and small government."
The Liberal Crackup




As you have trouble understanding words, here is a pictorial representation:


Find the conservative in this sea of collectivists:


enhanced-buzz-1610-1352999991-16.jpg
 

The Irish Ram

LITTLE GIRL / Ram Tough
Joined
Apr 10, 2011
Messages
18,872
Reaction score
7,135
Points
350
Location
diagonally parked in a parallel universe
Deuteronomy 15:7-11 ESV /
“If among you, one of your brothers should become poor, in any of your towns within your land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother, but you shall open your hand to him and lend him sufficient for his need, whatever it may be. Take care lest there be an unworthy thought in your heart and you say, ‘The seventh year, the year of release is near,’ and your eye look grudgingly on your poor brother, and you give him nothing, and he cry to the Lord against you, and you be guilty of sin. You shall give to him freely, and your heart shall not be grudging when you give to him, because for this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all that you undertake. For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’

So, apparently the Bible gets it all right:
Save for the future, don't spend money you don't have, and remember the widow and orphan on your way to tithe to your church.
 

Ringo

Gold Member
Joined
Jun 14, 2021
Messages
989
Reaction score
299
Points
153
Location
Over there
OP
PoliticalChic

PoliticalChic

Diamond Member
Joined
Oct 6, 2008
Messages
111,758
Reaction score
46,368
Points
2,300
Location
Brooklyn, NY



Wrong again, bongo.



The Nazis instituted their pagan religion to replace the Church.


"German Faith Movement- This movement wanted to replace Christianity with a pagan Nazi faith, this movement encouraged Germans abandon Christianity and follow their many small rituals. This is a good prediction of what would have happened if Nazi's won WW2.

The Young were recognized by Hitler as a valuable group to get on the 'nazi side' he encouraged them to join the Hitler Youth and not other Catholic groups, also less stress was put on religion as a subject in schools, the Nazi's also tried to remove the cross from the classroom however failed. In 1935 65% of children attended church school in 1937 only 5% did. An important event to remember is the Church Secession Campaign launched in the 1930's by the Nazi which was to encourage Germans to leave the Church, this had moderate success as in 1937 over 100,000 Christians left the church and in 1939 3.5 million Germans were a part of the pagan movement.
1925 -700 Prussian Protestant pastors are arrested as they condemned the Nazi neo-paganism
1936 -The National Socialist Teachers League asks members not to teach religion.
-Bishop of Munster thanks Hitler for remilitarizing the Rhineland.
-Hundreds of Confessional pastors are sent to concentration camps for criticising the Nazi ideology.
1937 -Crucifixes are banned from classrooms no more.
-Pope criticizes Nazism and its racist nature.
1939 -Faulhaber has a special service to celebrate Hitler surviving an assassination attempt.
1941 -Churches welcome German attack of USSR.



Remember the last time you were right?





Me neither.
 

Ringo

Gold Member
Joined
Jun 14, 2021
Messages
989
Reaction score
299
Points
153
Location
Over there
Wrong again, bongo.
The Nazis instituted their pagan religion to replace the Church.
There is some god anyway, so call nazi atheist is too... PoliticalChicy
 

initforme

Gold Member
Joined
Apr 23, 2011
Messages
16,823
Reaction score
2,647
Points
265
It's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
 

Stann

Platinum Member
Joined
Jul 26, 2021
Messages
1,897
Reaction score
947
Points
893
I'd say that we wouldn't have $trillions in national debt if the Bible was still the best guide for the economy.



1. Who is to decide what is fair, and what is too much? Some religions suggest tithing, and government demands taxes.

Joseph gathered very much grain: It seems it was customary for Pharaoh to take 10% of the grain in Egypt as a tax. Essentially, Joseph doubled the taxes over the next seven years (Genesis 41:34 mentions one-fifth, that is, 20%).

That 20% figure appears again in the relationship of colonists to North America, and the English crown "....colonists were free to retain all the profits and fruits of their labor save for the crown's 20 percent share of any gold and silver discovered." "Freedom Just Around the Corner: A New American History: 1585-1828," by Walter A. McDougall, p.33





2. "Do you believe that it is moral and just for one person to be forcibly used to serve the purposes of another? And, if that person does not peaceably submit to such use, do you believe that there should be the initiation of force against him? Neither question is complex and can be answered by either a yes or no. For me the answer is no to both questions. I bet that nearly every college professor, politician or even minister could not give a simple yes or no response.

3. A no answer, translated to public policy, would slash the federal budget by no less than two-thirds to three-quarters. After all most federal spending consists of taking the earnings of one American to give to another American in the form of farm subsidies, business bailouts, aid to higher education, welfare and food stamps. Keep in mind that Congress has no resources of its own. Plus there's no Santa Claus or tooth fairy that gives Congress resources. Thus, the only way that Congress can give one American a dollar is to first, through intimidation and coercion, confiscate that dollar from some other American.

4. Such actions by the U.S. Congress should offend any sense of moral decency. If you're a Christian or a Jew, you should be against the notion of one American living at the expense of some other American. When God gave Moses the Eighth Commandment -- "Thou shalt not steal" -- I am sure that He did not mean thou shalt not steal unless there is a majority vote in the U.S. Congress."
US in Moral Decline




5.There is no requirement of forced 'charity' in the Bible. .... under biblical direction...it is up to the giver to decide to give and how much he or she can afford to give, and, in many cases, whether he or she will give at all!

That's correct.....there is no demand to underwrite the undeserving.

God allows free choice. In fact, free will is essential to true Judeo-Christianity.

It is only under the atheistic doctrines communism, socialism, Liberalism, Nazism, Progressivism, or Fascism, that the fruits of one's labor is confiscated, and used by these various totalitarian forms to advance despotism.
as long as it is confirmed by ethics, it's ok. But the bible has many prejudices in it. We need to avoid those pitfalls. why do you think no one likes living in Iran. it's a theocracy. Theocracies aren't kind to anyone else but the select few who believe in them.
 

surada

Platinum Member
Joined
Jan 3, 2021
Messages
21,880
Reaction score
10,772
Points
1,118
I'd say that we wouldn't have $trillions in national debt if the Bible was still the best guide for the economy.



1. Who is to decide what is fair, and what is too much? Some religions suggest tithing, and government demands taxes.

Joseph gathered very much grain
: It seems it was customary for Pharaoh to take 10% of the grain in Egypt as a tax. Essentially, Joseph doubled the taxes over the next seven years (Genesis 41:34 mentions one-fifth, that is, 20%).

That 20% figure appears again in the relationship of colonists to North America, and the English crown "....colonists were free to retain all the profits and fruits of their labor save for the crown's 20 percent share of any gold and silver discovered." "Freedom Just Around the Corner: A New American History: 1585-1828," by Walter A. McDougall, p.33





2. "Do you believe that it is moral and just for one person to be forcibly used to serve the purposes of another? And, if that person does not peaceably submit to such use, do you believe that there should be the initiation of force against him? Neither question is complex and can be answered by either a yes or no. For me the answer is no to both questions. I bet that nearly every college professor, politician or even minister could not give a simple yes or no response.

3. A no answer, translated to public policy, would slash the federal budget by no less than two-thirds to three-quarters. After all most federal spending consists of taking the earnings of one American to give to another American in the form of farm subsidies, business bailouts, aid to higher education, welfare and food stamps. Keep in mind that Congress has no resources of its own. Plus there's no Santa Claus or tooth fairy that gives Congress resources. Thus, the only way that Congress can give one American a dollar is to first, through intimidation and coercion, confiscate that dollar from some other American.

4. Such actions by the U.S. Congress should offend any sense of moral decency. If you're a Christian or a Jew, you should be against the notion of one American living at the expense of some other American. When God gave Moses the Eighth Commandment -- "Thou shalt not steal" -- I am sure that He did not mean thou shalt not steal unless there is a majority vote in the U.S. Congress."
US in Moral Decline




5.There is no requirement of forced 'charity' in the Bible. .... under biblical direction...it is up to the giver to decide to give and how much he or she can afford to give, and, in many cases, whether he or she will give at all!

That's correct.....there is no demand to underwrite the undeserving.

God allows free choice. In fact, free will is essential to true Judeo-Christianity.

It is only under the atheistic doctrines communism, socialism, Liberalism, Nazism, Progressivism, or Fascism, that the fruits of one's labor is confiscated, and used by these various totalitarian forms to advance despotism.

Federal Farm Subsidies are listed by State and County... Most recipients are Republicans like Michelle Bachmann.
 

22lcidw

Platinum Member
Joined
Dec 25, 2018
Messages
22,865
Reaction score
8,400
Points
895
as long as it is confirmed by ethics, it's ok. But the bible has many prejudices in it. We need to avoid those pitfalls. why do you think no one likes living in Iran. it's a theocracy. Theocracies aren't kind to anyone else but the select few who believe in them.
The United States was never a theocracy. But men and women for the most part adhered to some civilities from the Bible.
 

USMB Server Goals

Total amount
$132.00
Goal
$350.00

Most reactions - Past 7 days

Forum List

Top