Zone1 The Best Evidence For The Resurrection

[JoeB131]

It's pretty simple actually. I REALLY want to see the atheists response to this question.

I'm not sure why you think this is proof of anything. We have very few bodies of people who died in the First Century.

The Mausoleum of Augustus, where most of the early Roman Emperors and their families were buried. Not a single body in there.

NOW, there are a lot of explanations of why Jesus' body wasn't found

Perhaps he hadn't died from the Crucifixion. It was a rushed job and they were in hurry to get it done before Passover.

Perhaps his disciples stole the body.

Perhaps the whole thing never happened and was a story made up by later writers.

 

[Meriweather]

Our friend has not presented any facts. He has relied on Christian apologetic websites. As for primary sources on this figure and his disciples we do not have any originals. We have copies of copies of copies. We also have various pseudepigraphical texts in the NT but again these are not original MSS.

So? All that does is open the What If door. What if when they copied it, they made changes or errors? Try the other What if door: What if they didn't?

 

[Hypatia415]

Maybe to Jews but not to Christians.

In the thirties CE this sect was entirely unimportant.

As MI Finley noted some decades ago commenting on Josephus' lack of comment on this new sect:

There is nothing surprising in Josephus’s lack of interest in Christianity, even to the extent of not mentioning the Neronic persecution of 64, the year of his first visit to Rome. It is only from hindsight that the new religion acquires such importance as to create the illusion that it must already have earned the serious attention of a Jewish historian writing towards the end of the first century.[these references] contribute nothing to our knowledge unless one needs persuading that there was a John the Baptist, that there was a Jesus Christ (who had a brother named James), and that they were executed.

Because you didn't post any of that. You are being disingenuous.

I posted this:

Justus of Tiberias (in Galilee) a Jewish historian contemporary with Josephus (c.37-c.100) wrote a Chronicle of the Kings of the Jews from Moses to Agrippa II. This work along with all the other writings of Justus are now lost. However, in the 9th century, Photius (c.810-c.895) the Patriarch of Constantinople read the Chronicle of Justus and recorded, in his still extant Bibliotheca, a summary of its contents. He states, “suffering from the common fault of the Jews, to which race he belonged, he (Justus) does not mention the coming of Christ, the events of his life, or the miracles performed by him.”

Explain how therefor you contend I am being disingenuous?

Then you didn't read it. Because it does.

There are no direct references to Jesus of Nazareth in the Talmud. Yeshua/Yeshu was a very common name. Josephus refers to some twenty individuals who had that name. One MS contains the term HaNotzri which may possibly mean the Nazarene but none of the other texts contain that title which leads to the possibility that it may be a later interpolation. Furthermore, only five disciples are mentioned and again the name Matai may be a nickname or the Aramaic equivalent of Matityahu which was yet another popular Jewish name of the period.

Sounds like a great reason for you to not be objective.

You have provided no credible explanation for when and why Jesus was worshipped as God. None, nada, zip.

I have but you do not want to accept it. You seem to think that the Christianity you now practise and the ideas in which you believe have all existed since the early first century CE.

That's because you can't address my points.

Your points are irrelevant. The long screed you (yet again) posted is all tradition and stories. There is no attested historical evidence for any of it.

I have repeatedly asked you for attested textual evidence for your claims and all you have done is provide links to various Christian websites; and that is because you know there is no attested historical evidence for any of the things you claim to be historical facts.

 

[Hypatia415]

So? All that does is open the What If door. What if when they copied it, they made changes or errors? Try the other What if door: What if they didn't?

There are various texts on the transmission and corruption of the NT.