The being who is Jesus.

[Harry Dresden]

are you saying Jesus was an alien being?....

If you read the post. I am teaching Jesus was Michael the archangel--there is lots of proof but most are being mislead by teachers who are paid to teach religious dogma.

so are you saying Jesus/Michael was an alien being?....

A created angel.

thats not answering my question.....the catholic priests danced around that one too....

If angels are alien beings to you then yes, but a sci fi alien being= no.

yes they are and they should be to you too....because if they truly exist thats what they are.....

 

[irosie91]

I presume you can't read Hebrew; the word Reishes, used also in Genesis 1:1, refers to the Nation of Israel.
But go ahead and speak of things of which ye know nothing.

Israel didn't come into the picture in Gen 1:1

Israel was------not far--------just jump into Gulf of Aden---swim
along the coastline of Saudi arabia---and you will hit Eilat---
eventually

The Israelites didn't become Israelites until they entered the promised land.

The English word Israel is Jacob's name Yisroel, given to him by God.
Way before they entered the Land of Canaan.

That's not really the issue.
Any worthy progenitor or progenitor could have been the reason for God to create and sustain the universe.

That was a name, not his nationality.

Jacobs nationality was HEBREW -----his descendents are called "THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL"---because Israel is another one of Jacob's names

 

[HaShev]

At Proverbs 8- The being who came to earth and was called Jesus as a mortal speaks at Prov 8--Firstly-Jesus became wisdom( 1Cor 1:30)-- and who else but whom God created all things through is Gods master worker=Jesus
Notice verse 22 at Prov 8--Produced me( created direct, first and last) as the beginning of your( YHWH) way ( creation)--Coll 1:15 verifies it)-- 23-31-- Grew especially fond of me--He( YHWH) prepared the heavens,he( YHWH) made firm the cloud masses, etc,etc--32-36--wise council from the being who came to earth and was called Jesus as a mortal--That is why Jesus teaches--He has a God, like we do- his Father( YHWH) John 20:17, Rev 3:12) Few believe these words from Jesus.
Evidence is clear--It was Michael the archangel who came and was called Jesus as a mortal.

Let us( YHWH and his master worker) create man in our image( the ability to love and reason)

I presume you can't read Hebrew; the word Reishes, used also in Genesis 1:1, refers to the Nation of Israel.
But go ahead and speak of things of which ye know nothing.

Israel didn't come into the picture in Gen 1:1

And it didn't take but 2 verses in to know the purpose of that creation to it being Completed(Shalem). But you don't understand, the beginning is at the end where the perfected earth world to come starts is at the end of the chaotic world. Thus creating heaven (world to come) is to bring order to that chaos, so it can become Shalem (completed). Thus seperating heaven & earth and making those 6 earth ages(days) more stable in the process of creation (bringing order out of the chaos to form the completion and "stability"=Shalem).
Genesis explicitly says this, that the earth had no form (no rules=chaotic)and God created order from the chaos, he didn't create from nothing, and in non linear time one can start & be at the end and seemingly be at the beginning always.
(Isaiah eludes to this).

 

[irosie91]

HaShev----read and edit your post---you made some spelling
errors which you will recognize

 

[kjw47]

Israel was------not far--------just jump into Gulf of Aden---swim
along the coastline of Saudi arabia---and you will hit Eilat---
eventually

The Israelites didn't become Israelites until they entered the promised land.

The English word Israel is Jacob's name Yisroel, given to him by God.
Way before they entered the Land of Canaan.

That's not really the issue.
Any worthy progenitor or progenitor could have been the reason for God to create and sustain the universe.

I missed that part-----how did YISRAEL get his name-----
----did he get it when he broke his leg?-------I thought GABRIEL told him-------- and what does "YISRA" mean?

Lets discuss the op

We can't...it's based on a nonsense translation.

It says the same thing at prov 8 in every translation on earth--how do you explain that?
You should check facts--Catholicism translating is responsible for every trinity based translation on earth-- every one of them contradict Jesus' truths in spots= errors. By the time anyone else translated-it was at minimum 1000 years after the councils were held( any who tried prior were burned alive for Heresy)--the originals were gone--Catholicism translating remained. No one had a clue by then.The NWT corrected the errors. As well as the only one on earth who put Gods name back in the ot in the nearly 6800 places it belongs--every spot--GOD or LORD( all capitols) is--now the divine name KJV put it back as well. But the trinity religions refuse to believe Gods name belongs in the NT as well--they are 100% wrong--many spots in the OT are quoted in the NT where the name is in the OT so it does belong in the NT as well.

 

[kjw47]

If you read the post. I am teaching Jesus was Michael the archangel--there is lots of proof but most are being mislead by teachers who are paid to teach religious dogma.

so are you saying Jesus/Michael was an alien being?....

A created angel.

thats not answering my question.....the catholic priests danced around that one too....

If angels are alien beings to you then yes, but a sci fi alien being= no.

yes they are and they should be to you too....because if they truly exist thats what they are.....

No, they are created spirit beings called angels.

 

[Harry Dresden]

so are you saying Jesus/Michael was an alien being?....

A created angel.

thats not answering my question.....the catholic priests danced around that one too....

If angels are alien beings to you then yes, but a sci fi alien being= no.

yes they are and they should be to you too....because if they truly exist thats what they are.....

No, they are created spirit beings called angels.

if they aint of this earth.....they are aliens....

 

[tyroneweaver]

Jesus read this thread when He spoke of the blind leading the blind.

 

[HaShev]

Jesus couldn't read or write which is why you think curing the blind meant literal eye site. When scripture says;
Moshiach lifts the veil from your eyes
-(Isaiah 25:7) it is
because you are all spiritually blind, not physically blind.
This is why the Temple is also called the MikDosh, Dosh meaning thresher.

In Isaiah 25:7 it's the Moshiach who lifts the veil from our eyes, this is symbolised by the thresher label on Moshiach being the thresher removing the thin layer film from the grain so what's left is the edible substance.
IThe Temple in his name is called Mikdash and Mikdosh not JesusDosh.
For isn't this topic really about Michael being the Biblical Moshiach?
Then aren't JWs merely fooled by the fact Jesus is made an imposter of Michael through Rome's convergance of beliefs and plagiarizing the OT & characters giving their combined figure all the roles of Michael, therefore even deceiving those who know 'the name'(HaShem) 'the Bible'(MIKra) calls The Shiloh.

 

[Ozone]

Jesus couldn't read or write...

if you know the gospel, then you know ''in the beginning was the word,'' correct? there's a reason why it's translated into english as 'word', pretty much the same reason those kabbalist get all excited about the alphabet. now, in the same gospel there's a scene where jesus is writing on the ground, you maybe double check, there's a reason why he's on the ground or standing up, it symbolizes something about the written and the oral torah, how that relates to heaven and earth, but you wouldn't really know about that, would you?

 

[HaShev]

To better understand your question, you have to research the original trinity concept of the church.
1st it was Father(Baal), mother-godess(Ishtar-Isis), Son (morning star was Ishtars son)
then it was
It was Father(Baal), word(borrowed mythology), Son (morning star was Baal's son).
Then the word became Holy Spirit as in the essence of the fable-word.

He is the word because he is the rehashed Baal story and spirit of all cultures stories when Rome combined them into the one world religion. So they took Zoroasters first and last and ever after speach, took Mithras thief of the Night, took sun worshipers references to birthing life but eventually burning it up in flames destroying life, they took Krishnas Christos, Baals birthday and symbols and death andxresurrection scene, Ishtars easter egg birthing the morning star dying god mythology surpassing his father Baal on the throne, borrowed Joseph character in the Tanakh, Borrowed roles of Michael as earlier stated,Borrowed and plagiarized much of the Tanakh accts of many characters, used Rabbi Yohoshua ben Chananiahs resurrection teachings from the Tanakh, used stories from 3-4 christ figures soanningc100bc-45ad, borrowed the trinity god Esus and his name, borrowed from many cultures in order to be the new authority and tax (tithe) collectors of all kingdoms thus invading kingdoms far and wide unsuspecting & without insurection.
This is called the 2 horn(power) system,
Religious masking the political hence the symbolled 2 horn scarlet(rome's color) beast.

 

[Hawkins]

In a nutshell, it makes no sense for God to sacrifice someone (angel) to save someone else (humans). It only makes sense for God to do a self-sacrifice to earn the credit for humans to be saved by His grace.

 

[HaShev]

The dying god mythology is an age old worn out attempt to replace old out of favor gods with new ones resembling (or tangible) to the people they are trying to subvert.
Look up "Canaanite dying god mythology morning star son of baal" -Rev 22:16 the idol is baal hence the father and son are 0ne in the same literally the same mythology.
Source for the same mythology besides the same cross & birthdate:

the crucifixion scene is written from plagiarizing the Baal passion play.
Source:the predated Assyrian (700bc) Marduk-Bel Tablets housed now in the Brittish Museum.
He's this god's only Begotten son and Yhwh's begotten was David in Psalms, so Jesus can't be YHWH's only begotten son.
We do know however, that Baal's only son is the Morning Star
(Jesus claimed to be Rev 22:16)
=Jesus is claimed the son of Baal.
David claimed to be the begotten son of Shalem thus naming his 2 sons after Shalem.
Don't believe me?
Then please note the actual original transliteration for Shalem has a prefix of Man meaning "Son of" Man as prefix end of last names mean "son of" origin. This is why Solomon being named after Shalem has that prefix based on the Actual transliteration of "the name"(HaShem).

 

[Hawkins]

The dying god mythology is an age old worn out attempt to replace old out of favor gods with new ones resembling (or tangible) to the people they are trying to subvert.
Look up "Canaanite dying god mythology morning star son of baal" -Rev 22:16 the idol is baal hence the father and son are 0ne in the same literally the same mythology.
Source for the same mythology besides the same cross & birthdate:

the crucifixion scene is written from plagiarizing the Baal passion play.
Source:the predated Assyrian (700bc) Marduk-Bel Tablets housed now in the Brittish Museum.
He's this god's only Begotten son and Yhwh's begotten was David in Psalms, so Jesus can't be YHWH's only begotten son.
We do know however, that Baal's only son is the Morning Star
(Jesus claimed to be Rev 22:16)
=Jesus is claimed the son of Baal.
David claimed to be the begotten son of Shalem thus naming his 2 sons after Shalem.
Don't believe me?
Then please note the actual original transliteration for Shalem has a prefix of Man meaning "Son of" Man as prefix end of last names mean "son of" origin. This is why Solomon being named after Shalem has that prefix based on the Actual transliteration of "the name"(HaShem).

That's fallacious. If an older manuscript was found mentioning sons of certain gods such that true Son of God cannot exist? Does this even sound logical?

All you can present is a possibility by guess. That is, it is possible that it is copied. Still it remains a possibility which can never be confirmed. In the end, it relies on your personal faith to believe that "it is copied", or the same amount of faith to believe that it's not.

 

[HaShev]

NOPE, the church gives us enough evidence as does their own text saying this would happen or rather was happening in John of Patmos' day.
Dagon the fishman god was Baal's father, Dagon's idol fell with broke hand says the Tanakh. Basically Dagon fell out of favor and Baal the dying and resurected son over took him on the throne. Once this harvest god lost favor again the process where the morning star replaces his father Baal on the throne.
The Pope still wears the Dagon fish head hat called mitre, wears the fishman ring of dagon and parades the sun circle cross of baal in procession, and wears fish scale trim and baal crosses on his robe, the followers called fish symboled by the fish is no coincidence as Ishtar(easter) is the mother of the morning star birthing a giant fish from an egg, hence easter egg traditions.
John said the number of this father & son as one was 666 and Baal Jesus=666 in ascll numerology used to secret numbers from names.

What the tablet from 700bc reads is:
Babylonian myth of Bel (Baal in
Hebrew) is described in a passion play in which:
(1) Bel is taken prisoner;
(2) Bel is tried in a great hall;
(3) Bel is smitten;
(4) Bel is led away to the Mount (a sacred grove on a
hilltop);
(5) with Bel are taken two malefactors, one of whom is
released;
(6) After Bel has gone to the Mount and is executed,
the city breaks into tumult;
(7) Bel's clothes are carried away;
(8.) Bel goes down into the Mount and disappears from
life;
(9) weeping women seek Bel at the Tomb;
(10) Bel is brought back to life.

 

[HaShev]

By the way, in the Biblical era the term:
"son of" God meant reflective in nature.
Similar meaning terms were Malakh(angel).
This is why in Psalms the people were sons of God and in scripture malakhs were called sons, David his begotten, and Solomon a son of God.
Rome either not knowing this or in using cultures with literal son mythologies bastardised the term.

 

[kjw47]

NOPE, the church gives us enough evidence as does their own text saying this would happen or rather was happening in John of Patmos' day.
Dagon the fishman god was Baal's father, Dagon's idol fell with broke hand says the Tanakh. Basically Dagon fell out of favor and Baal the dying and resurected son over took him on the throne. Once this harvest god lost favor again the process where the morning star replaces his father Baal on the throne.
The Pope still wears the Dagon fish head hat called mitre, wears the fishman ring of dagon and parades the sun circle cross of baal in procession, and wears fish scale trim and baal crosses on his robe, the followers called fish symboled by the fish is no coincidence as Ishtar(easter) is the mother of the morning star birthing a giant fish from an egg, hence easter egg traditions.
John said the number of this father & son as one was 666 and Baal Jesus=666 in ascll numerology used to secret numbers from names.

What the tablet from 700bc reads is:
Babylonian myth of Bel (Baal in
Hebrew) is described in a passion play in which:
(1) Bel is taken prisoner;
(2) Bel is tried in a great hall;
(3) Bel is smitten;
(4) Bel is led away to the Mount (a sacred grove on a
hilltop);
(5) with Bel are taken two malefactors, one of whom is
released;
(6) After Bel has gone to the Mount and is executed,
the city breaks into tumult;
(7) Bel's clothes are carried away;
(8.) Bel goes down into the Mount and disappears from
life;
(9) weeping women seek Bel at the Tomb;
(10) Bel is brought back to life.

Satans misleading attempt.

 

[HaShev]

I hope you realize Jeremiah is flooding the forum to hide your post. Typical tactic by those trying to hide the Biblical Messiah from those worshiping the false prophet.

 

[kjw47]

I hope you realize Jeremiah is flooding the forum to hide your post. Typical tactic by those trying to hide the Biblical Messiah from those worshiping the false prophet.

If he would listen to what Jesus actually teaches, he could still gain entrance into Gods kingdom on the new earth( not a new planet) a new system, Gods kingdom in full control. and what God had begun will resume, never to be interrupted once satan is thrown into the lake of fire( everlasting destruction)
Garden of (Eden( Paradise) is Gods will for earth and mortals.--Psalm 37:9,11,29--Matt 5:5)

 

[kjw47]

Jesus read this thread when He spoke of the blind leading the blind.

You cant disprove a single word of the op. You can only reason falsely on the matter because your teachers don't teach what Jesus actually taught--There is no trinity god in existence, it was created at the councils of Catholicism, not taught in the first council, added later at another council. By 2 simple errors in translation, they are deceiving 2 billion.
a small g god goes in the last line of John 1:1--or otherwise in simple English the teaching is this in the second line--and God was with God= impossible. There is one God.
And in every trinity translation, they have mortals bowing down in worship to a mortal( Jesus) - Gods word is clear not even angels get worship. While on earth Jesus was made lower than the angels( Heb 2:7-9) a mortal( sinless)--so the correct usage of the greek word-Proskenaue( spelled wrong) Bow in obeisance to a king. Not worship to God--plus it has 3 other meanings from greek to English.
These are all facts.