The Beast Revelation

[hobelim]

Isaiah 53 is about God's servant Israel.

Isaiah 52: 14,15, which immediately precedes Isaiah 53, makes a clear distinction between Israel, my people, plural, and the messiah, him, singular. Try to understand that, at the time, claiming that some guy named "Jesus of Galilee" was the messiah sounded as ridiculous and unbelievable as claiming that some uncultured working class "criminal" named "Joey from Brooklyn" who liked to party with sinners and prostitutes and all sorts of bad characters was the awaited messiah, especially since "believers" were expecting God to fart fiery angels out of the sky in an end of the world scenario when the supernatural reality defying Messiah finally arrived to destroy the Kittim.


"Time was when many were aghast at you, my people, so now many nations recoil at sight of him, and kings curl their lips in disgust. For they see what they had never been told and things unheard before fill their thoughts."

 

[onefour1]

Isaiah 53 is about God's servant Israel.

Post a source for your list. Is that your LDS rewrite? God is the redeemer of his servant Israel (Jacob) who he loves.

Immanuel Is Hezekiah.

By what authority do you change the Bible?

By what authority do your misinterpret the Bible?

 

[hobelim]

By what authority do your misinterpret the Bible?

She's has every right to say and do stupid things, just like you.

 

[surada]

By what authority do your misinterpret the Bible?

I'm not changing the words. Joseph Smith writes his own scripture.

The rapture was popularized in the 1970s by Hal Lindsey’s writings ( The Late Great Planet Earth, etc.) and more recently by Jim Jenkins and Tim LaHaye in their Left Behind fictional books and films. But where did the idea of the rapture originate?

The origin of the rapture theory

Credit for its origin generally goes to John Nelson Darby, a 19th-century theologian.

 

[surada]

She's has every right to say and do stupid things, just like you.

God says Cyrus is an anointed king who redeems the Jews from the Babylonian exile. What do you think that means?

 

[hobelim]

God says Cyrus is an anointed king who redeems the Jews from the Babylonian exile. What do you think that means?

It means he was chosen for that purpose. Like Hezekiah, an anointed king, was chosen.

Even so, as such, they were messianic prototypes, if you will, for the future and final Messiah who would end death, the death associated with setting aside Divine law, freeing all prisoners in hells keeping, bringing about world peace among all the nations of the world, great and small, which obviously wasn't Mohammed who was just another narcissistic megalomaniacal barbaric false prophet who had a thing for antisemitism, murder, misogyny, robbery, power, and little girls.

Jesus actually ended death long ago for all who listen to his teaching and act on it, to this day.

 

[onefour1]

Jesus was just a man chosen by God to bear witness to the truth. There never was nor will be a human being that was God or became God either before during or after their human existence.

I think the Apostle John would beg to differ from your opinion as he was taught directly from the Word.

John 1:1–3, 14
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

[hobelim]

I think the Apostle John would beg to differ from your opinion as he was taught directly from the Word.

John 1:1–3, 14
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Manna from heaven, bread, (simple basic food) was the existing metaphor for the Word of God, Divine instruction. This bread from heaven became "the flesh of Jesus", a new metaphor for Divine instruction that better reflects a new revelation from God. Real meat for the intelligent.

Its a simple as that. It is not and never was about God becoming a Jewish man, a human being.

Ask the apostle John.

 

[hobelim]

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

In the beginning was the Word, (Logos, (Divine reasoning)) And the Word was with "The God" (Ho Theos) and the Word was like God, (theos)

In Greek the word for God is "Ho Theos" The God. Theos without the definite article "Ho" before it just means "like God"

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (Ho Theos), and the Word was like God. (theos)

 

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In the beginning was the Word, (Logos, (Divine reasoning)) And the Word was with "The God" (Ho Theos) and the Word was like God, (theos)

In Greek the word for God is "Ho Theos" The God. Theos without the definite article "Ho" before it just means "like God"

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (Ho Theos), and the Word was like God. (theos)

 

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I love it when two Irish peasants school Hobelim.

 

[hobelim]

I love it when two Irish peasants school Hobelim.

Irish peasants? Are you insane? What about three leaves is one clover? One pot leaf has seven (or nine) leaves. Does that mean that God is three, seven, and nine? Cartoons... What a moron!


I think its pathetic that you think a cartoon can convince an adult that One unequalled God is really three coequal persons. Did it work on you? Of course it did. Thats a real shame.

You really need to come up with some new material.

You have eaten bread baked on human dung and have lost your mind. Thems the breaks!

 

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Irish peasants? Are you insane? What about three leaves is one clover? One pot leaf has seven (or nine) leaves. Does that mean that God is three, seven, and nine? Cartoons. What a moron!


I think its pathetic that you think a cartoon can convince an adult that One unequalled God is really three coequal persons. Did it work on you? Of course it did. Thats a real shame.

You have eaten bread baked on human dung and have lost your mind. Thems the breaks!

I'll take Irish peasants over the pissed off gay afia everytime.

 

[hobelim]

I'll take Irish peasants over the pissed off gay afia everytime.

Irish peasants? WTF! HELLO.... Its a cartoon. Talk about loony toons!


fuhgeddaboudit.

 

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Irish peasants? WTF! HELLO.... Its a cartoon. Talk about loony toons!


fuhgeddaboudit.

You should watch it. Very funny. Very informative. Totally destroys everything you said.

 

[surada]

It means he was chosen for that purpose. Like Hezekiah, an anointed king, was chosen.

Even so, as such, they were messianic prototypes, if you will, for the future and final Messiah who would end death, the death associated with setting aside Divine law, freeing all prisoners in hells keeping, bringing about world peace among all the nations of the world, great and small, which obviously wasn't Mohammed who was just another narcissistic megalomaniacal barbaric false prophet who had a thing for antisemitism, murder, misogyny, robbery, power, and little girls.

Jesus actually ended death long ago for all who listen to his teaching and act on it, to this day.

Muhammad never claimed to be the Messiah or even divine. He preached, "Save yourselves. I cannot save you . Return to the God of Abraham". Aisha was born before the Call. She was 19 when she married.

 

[surada]

I haven't studied anything from Scofield, Untermyer, or Darby. The idea of the rapture originates from the teaching of Jesus Christ that at his second coming, before he destroys the wicked, those who are righteous will be caught up in the clouds to meet him and not be burned at his coming. There may be false teachings of this event but the basic idea of being caught up in the clouds and not being burned at his coming is very biblical.

The belief that Jesus will come again was not new, and is taught by probably all churches. Barbara R. Rossing discusses this in The Rapture Exposed and says that, according to one critic, Darby’s Rapture began with a young girl's vision of a two-stage return of Jesus Christ, experienced during a healing service. Rossing says:

The story of her vision was adopted and amplified by John Nelson Darby, a British evangelical preacher and founder of the Plymouth Brethren.

The Rapture theory has largely died out except in the United States, where it was popularised by the Scofield Reference Bible, which has been called "perhaps the most important single document in all fundamentalist literature." Rossing says:

With sales in the millions, it became the version of the Bible through which Americans read their scriptures throughout much of the twentieth century. Scofield's notes and headings were woven in with the biblical text itself, elevating dispensationalism to a level of biblical authority that no previous writing had.

 

[surada]

Darby got parishioners to deed their land to him because they wouldn't need it after the Rapture.

 

[hobelim]

Muhammad never claimed to be the Messiah

Then who is responsible for perpetuating the saying that he was the last and greatest prophet, which amounts to a claim of him being the second coming of Christ, the first and the last?

Return to the God of Abraham".

When do you think that "believers" are going to get around to doing that?

Aisha was born before the Call. She was 19 when she married.

“The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) married ‘Aishah when she was six years old and consummated the marriage with her when she was nine years old, and he died when she was eighteen years old. Narrated by Muslim, 1422.

How Old Was ‘Aishah When She Married the Prophet ? - Islam Question & Answer

The age of ‘Aishah when the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) married her is a historical narration which is proven by evidence that confirms its soundness and the necessity of accepting it for several reasons detailed below.

islamqa.info

The pedophile was 52 which would have been considered haram even among primitive cavemen.

 

[hobelim]

You should watch it. Very funny. Very informative. Totally destroys everything you said.

OK, so you will never be a great thinker. I can live with that.

The next time you watch your very funny, derp, cartoon, try to remember the fact that Jesus said that God was the source of his being which totally destroys your funny ha ha cartoon. Any being whose source of existence is God cannot be God. Simple. Not to mention the fact that God is incorporeal with no visible shape or material form and there is no other God in existence either above or below him which precludes the possibility that a coequal triune mangod ever existed.

What you pray to celebrate his death and eat for spiritual life is the antichrist, a false counterfeit fake Jesus, conjured from the depths of a Roman hell and unleashed on the world in 325CE.

Anyone can see the many wonderful things believing in and perpetuating lies has done for you.

There never was and there will never be a human being that was God or became God either before during or after their human existence. Sorry dude. Thats the way the cookie crumbles.