The Alvin Bragg case against Trump total prosecutorial overreach.

[Dr. Phosphorous]

You keep typing nonsense with no proof.

So put up 3 or 4 of the 99% of those esteemed law professors or legal scholars who agree with you and disagree with Turley.

I don't have to.

12 jurors agree with me on all 34 felony convictions. That obviously isn't prosecutorial overreach if 12 people agree on all 34 charges.

You lose, MAGA cry baby. Face it -- Trump is a criminal and you are pathetic white trash constantly licking his ass.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Lets break this down to check for understanding (or lack thereof) of the case.
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Incorrect, District Attorneys are SUPPOSED to prosecute crimes.



The FEDs not charging trump for Fedral campaign finance violations, has nothing to do with the DA charging state crimes and the investigation for the prior DA was not complete. The investigation continued and more evidence was uncovered.



Fasle.

The felony law has been on the books since - IIRC - the 1970's and there have been lots of cases brought by New York against people committing business fraud to hide/aid in a crime.



Trump was not charged in State Court with a Federal election law crime.



Correct, that includes Trump. TRUMP WAS NOT CHARGED WITH A FEDERAL CRIME IN STATE COURT.

Cohen was charged and convicted in Federal Court for a Federal Crime and that was the crime Trump attempted to hide by laundering the fraudulant payments through his business entity.

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**** YOU and fat Alvin Bragg with your SOVIET LAWFARE BULLSHIT.
Time for consequences for this Un-American travesty!!!!!!!!

 

[WorldWatcher]

Everything you posted is bullshit excuses for a bullshit witch hunt.

Actually it's not. You want me to swtich over to my laptop and start posting the ACTUAL charges instead of the incorrect things you posted.

As evidenced by the fact no one else would pursue it other than Bragg, who ran on getting Trump.

No one else but the Manhattan District Attorney his jurisdiction to charge Trump under the New York State Penal Code for felony fraudlent business transactions to hide/aid in a crime.

You do not want Hunter prosecuted for lying on his Federal gun form.

False Hunter should have been prosecuted with no pardon to the fullest extent of the law in front of a jury.

You are cool with an 11 year blanket pardon for Hunter.

False Hunter should have been prosecuted with no pardon to the fullest extent of the law in front of a jury.

You claim nothing on the laptop should be used against Joe in any way.

No I haven't.

Yet you want Trump in prison for a broken NDA payment.

No I don't. NDA's are not illegal and no one was charged for obtaining an NDA.

Cohen was charged for Federal campaign fraud for the METHOD he used to pay for the NDA (not for the NDA).

Trump was charged with felony business fraud for the METHOD he used to pay Cohen to hide/aid in Cohens crimes for how the NDA was paid for (not for the NDA).

Funny, Daniels has to now pay Trump.

For legal fees on a lost defamation case. Not for her actions regarding the NDA.

It is cool that you hare Trump and will twist your warped mind into making him Hiter.

I don't t think Trump is Hitler. He's a bad person, but not Hitler.

J6 bad, M29 good.

I don't know what this means. But yes, attempting to interfer with a Constitutionally mandated function of Congress is bad.

I know, I know.

Apparently not.

The FEC would not touch this.

The FEC has no jurisdiction over State business fraud.

What is Trump’s crime again?

Felony Business Fraud for attempting to hide/aid in the crime either committed by themselves or to hide/aid in a crime committed by another. In this case Cohen's crime and laundering the money illegally through his priviate business.

Was it election related?

Cohen's crime that Trump tried to hide? Yes.

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[WorldWatcher]

**** YOU and fat Alvin Bragg with your SOVIET LAWFARE BULLSHIT.
Time for consequences for this Un-American travesty!!!!!!!!

Correct. The consequences are Trump is a convicted felon based on a jury of his peers and that conviction will be confirmed by the Judge at sentencing Friday.

The conviction upheld, but punishment discharged.

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[SeaMajor7]

Correct. The consequences are Trump is a convicted felon based on a jury of his peers and that conviction will be confirmed by the Judge at sentencing Friday.

The conviction upheld, but punishment discharged.

WW

All will be appealed you communist scumbag.
Then, Bragg and Biden can be charged with political abuse of the justice system and COLLUSION.
Then those traitors can go to PRISON.
FAFO mother fuckers!!!!!!!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Wahhh...12 jurors disagreed with you.

Wahhh...34 felony convictions.

Face it, Trump is a criminal. MAGA cry baby *****.

Well, when they get awful instructions from that moron judge, I'm not shocked.
Are you going to end it all when those "felonies" get overturned?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You want me to swtich over to my laptop and start posting the ACTUAL charges instead of the incorrect things you posted.

Do it.
DURR

 

[WorldWatcher]

All will be appealed you communist scumbag.
Then, Bragg and Biden can be charged with political abuse of the justice system and COLLUSION.
Then those traitors can go to PRISON.
FAFO mother fuckers!!!!!!!

Comrad, of course it will be appealed. Not doubt.

But you are the one advocating for the rich and political elite not to be held responsible for their crimes very Putinish.

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[WorldWatcher]

Do it.
DURR

Want me to post the other 32 counts of felony falsifiying business records. Not one charge against Trump was the State indicting on a Federal Campiagn crime against him.

The person charged and convicted of Federal Campaign Fraud was Cohen.

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https://www.manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Donald-J.-Trump-Indictment.pdf

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[Blisterfinger]

The gun charge was a joke, MAGA white trash.

Quit cry like a little MAGA ***** about Trump's 34 felony convictions.

You would just love to charge a Maga with a gun charge. You are a ******* hypocrite ***** LOL

 

[kyzr]

I don't have to.
12 jurors agree with me on all 34 felony convictions. That obviously isn't prosecutorial overreach if 12 people agree on all 34 charges.
You lose, MAGA cry baby. Face it -- Trump is a criminal and you are pathetic white trash constantly licking his ass.

1. So you can't prove that Professor Turley is wrong. Lies are very easy to disprove.

2. Since the judge misapplied the LAW as professor Turley points out, aka "LAWFARE", from the article:
1. The judge was picked illegally
2. The Bragg charges are illegal
3. the evidence was biased, for example, the FEC chair was not allowed to testify for the defense.
4. The jury instructions were illegal

So you can say the jury found him guilty, but the appeals courts will undo that travesty of justice.

 

[WorldWatcher]

1. So you can't prove that Professor Turley is wrong. Lies are very easy to disprove.

2. Since the judge misapplied the LAW as professor Turley points out, aka "LAWFARE", from the article:
1. The judge was picked illegally
2. The Bragg charges are illegal
3. the evidence was biased, for example, the FEC chair was not allowed to testify for the defense.
4. The jury instructions were illegal

So you can say the jury found him guilty, but the appeals courts will undo that travesty of justice.

1. The Judge was assigned at random.

2. The Criminal charges are not illegal.

3. Evidence proving the crime was committed is always biased toward showing the criminal committed the crime. Also, the FEC person WAS allowed to testify within his area of expertise which is Federal election law and it's application in FEDERAL criminal trials. He is NOT an expert and was not allowed to testify about New York State Business Law as he had no expertise in criminal business law.

4. The jury instructions were just fine. The Judge instructed them that the defended had to have committed the acts as described and all must agree for a conviction.

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[Mac1958]

And you voted for a convicted felon.....because you are dirt stupid MAGA white trash.

What a ******* imbecile.

You'll notice that Trump & Co are going after the judiciary, the FBI, the press, and federal government positions.

What do all those groups have in common? They might hold him accountable for his actions.

Do the rubes understand this? There's no way to know. They may, or they may just be so lost and manipulated that they don't see it. But the conversation would be far more interesting and honest if they would just come out and admit what they are. Right now, they may not even know.

 

[WorldWatcher]

You'll notice that Trump & Co are going after the judiciary, the FBI, the press, and federal government positions.

What do all those groups have in common? They might hold him accountable for his actions.

Do the rubes understand this? There's no way to know. They may, or they may just be so lost and manipulated that they don't see it. But the conversation would be far more interesting and honest if they would just come out and admit what they are.

What they have in common is not being able to admit that Trump did what he was charged with.

They have to hang their hat on technicalities to justify their hope the conviction is overturned on appeal.

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[kyzr]

1. The Judge was assigned at random.
2. The Criminal charges are not illegal.
3. Evidence proving the crime was committed is always biased toward showing the criminal committed the crime. Also, the FEC person WAS allowed to testify within his area of expertise which is Federal election law and it's application in FEDERAL criminal trials. He is NOT an expert and was not allowed to testify about New York State Business Law as he had no expertise in criminal business law.
4. The jury instructions were just fine. The Judge instructed them that the defended had to have committed the acts as described and all must agree for a conviction. WW

I know you are not a Turley fan, but here is his article again.

Buzz Kill: The Trump Conviction Presents a Target-Rich Environment for Appeal

Below is my column in the Hill on the most compelling grounds for an appeal in the Trump case after his conviction on 34 counts in Manhattan. There has been considerable criticism of the defense te…

jonathanturley.org

1. The judge should have recused:
"Acting Supreme Court justice Juan Merchan was handpicked for this case rather than randomly selected. This is only the latest in a litany of Trump cases where Merchan has meted out tough rulings against Trump and his organization. With any other defendant, there would likely be outrage over his selection. Merchan donated to President Biden. Even though the state bar cleared that violation based on the small size of the contribution, it later stressed that no such contributions were appropriate for a judge. We learned later that Merchan has contributed to a group to stop the GOP and Trump. Merchan’s daughter is also a Democratic organizer who has helped raise millions against Trump and the GOP and for the Democrats."

2. The charges:
"A leading threshold issue will be the decision to allow Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg to effectively try Trump for violations of federal law. The Justice Department declined any criminal charges against Trump under federal election law over the alleged “hush money” payments. The Federal Election Commission likewise found no basis for a civil fine. With no federal prosecution, Bragg decided to use an unprecedented criminal theory not only to zap a dead misdemeanor into life (after the expiration of the statute of limitation) but to allow him to try violations of not only federal election law but also federal taxation violations. In other words, the Justice Department would not prosecute federal violations, so Bragg effectively did it in state court."

3. The evidence:
Merchan did not allow the FEC chair (Brad Smith) to testify for the defense.
"Merchan is likely to be upheld in denying the expert, since the court retains the authority to state what the law is to the jury. The problem is that Merchan failed to do so. Worse still, he allowed the jury to hear the opposite in the repeated false claim that these payments were campaign contributions."

4. The instructions:
"Merchan allowed the jury to find that the secondary offense was any of the three vaguely defined options. Even on the jury form, they did not have to specify which of the crimes were found. Under Merchan’s instruction, the jury could have split 4-4-4 on what occurred in the case. They could have seen a conspiracy to conceal a federal election violation, falsification of business records or taxation violations. We will never know. Worse yet, Trump will never know."

Trump is to be sentenced Friday. If Merchan dismisses the sentence can Trump appeal to get the 34 felonies overturned? If not, I hope Pam Bondi goes after Letitia, Bragg and Merchan "hammer & tong" for every charge she can think of.

 

[Nostra]

Don't talk to me.

Not only are you a total ******* lightweight who has never read a book in his life, but you are a total MAGA white trash ***** who can never admit when Trump did something wrong.

^^^^^^TILT^^^^^^

Seek help soon.

 

[Nostra]

I don't have to.

12 jurors agree with me on all 34 felony convictions. That obviously isn't prosecutorial overreach if 12 people agree on all 34 charges.

You lose, MAGA cry baby. Face it -- Trump is a criminal and you are pathetic white trash constantly licking his ass.

And all that will be bitchslapped by the first real court this ends up in, Simp.

 

[Nostra]

Correct. The consequences are Trump is a convicted felon based on a jury of his peers and that conviction will be confirmed by the Judge at sentencing Friday.

The conviction upheld, but punishment discharged.

WW

Cool.

Now Trump can appeal to a real court.

 

[WorldWatcher]

I know you are not a Turley fan, but here is his article again.

Buzz Kill: The Trump Conviction Presents a Target-Rich Environment for Appeal

Below is my column in the Hill on the most compelling grounds for an appeal in the Trump case after his conviction on 34 counts in Manhattan. There has been considerable criticism of the defense te…

jonathanturley.org

1. The judge should have recused:
"Acting Supreme Court justice Juan Merchan was handpicked for this case rather than randomly selected. This is only the latest in a litany of Trump cases where Merchan has meted out tough rulings against Trump and his organization. With any other defendant, there would likely be outrage over his selection. Merchan donated to President Biden. Even though the state bar cleared that violation based on the small size of the contribution, it later stressed that no such contributions were appropriate for a judge. We learned later that Merchan has contributed to a group to stop the GOP and Trump. Merchan’s daughter is also a Democratic organizer who has helped raise millions against Trump and the GOP and for the Democrats."

2. The charges:
"A leading threshold issue will be the decision to allow Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg to effectively try Trump for violations of federal law. The Justice Department declined any criminal charges against Trump under federal election law over the alleged “hush money” payments. The Federal Election Commission likewise found no basis for a civil fine. With no federal prosecution, Bragg decided to use an unprecedented criminal theory not only to zap a dead misdemeanor into life (after the expiration of the statute of limitation) but to allow him to try violations of not only federal election law but also federal taxation violations. In other words, the Justice Department would not prosecute federal violations, so Bragg effectively did it in state court."

3. The evidence:
Merchan did not allow the FEC chair (Brad Smith) to testify for the defense.
"Merchan is likely to be upheld in denying the expert, since the court retains the authority to state what the law is to the jury. The problem is that Merchan failed to do so. Worse still, he allowed the jury to hear the opposite in the repeated false claim that these payments were campaign contributions."

4. The instructions:
"Merchan allowed the jury to find that the secondary offense was any of the three vaguely defined options. Even on the jury form, they did not have to specify which of the crimes were found. Under Merchan’s instruction, the jury could have split 4-4-4 on what occurred in the case. They could have seen a conspiracy to conceal a federal election violation, falsification of business records or taxation violations. We will never know. Worse yet, Trump will never know."

Trump is to be sentenced Friday. If Merchan dismisses the sentence can Trump appeal to get the 34 felonies overturned? If not, I hope Pam Bondi goes after Letitia, Bragg and Merchan "hammer & tong" for every charge she can think of.

#1 Turley presents no evidence that the normal random selection wasn't followed - simply a claim he was "handpicked" with no proof.

#2 It first sentence is a lie. Trump was charged with or even "effectively" tried for for Federal campiagn violations. Trumps criminal case is all about his New York business fraud. State law, not Federal.

#3 Again another lie. The Judge APPROVED the FEC person to testify within his area of expertise. Which did not include New York Business law, so the defense chose not to call him. The Judge DID NOT bar his testimony.

#4 The Judges jury instructions were perfectly fine. The jury had to find unanimously that Trump commiteed the state crime, they were not and are not required under New York State law and legal precident to agree as to the motive for committing the illegal acts.

Turley is a paid shill.

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[WorldWatcher]

Cool.

Now Trump can appeal to a real court.

The conviction occurred in a real court. Now the appeal can go to another real court, the New York State 1st Appellate Division.

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