The Age of the Universe: One Reality Viewed from Two Different Perspectives.

[Mindful]

Can the universe be young and old simultaneously?
For centuries, science and theology have been locked in an ideological battle as to the ultimate source of truth. And basic to this standoff is the question of the age of our universe. Is it an old universe with a history containing fossils of dinosaurs and cavemen, or young with just a few days passing between the creation of the universe and the creation of Adam, the first human being? And if our universe is young, then the so-called ancient fossils were placed in the ground by God to test our faith in the truth of the Bible.

The old age measure of our universe is based on research by astronomers and cosmologists. These scientists measure how much light waves from distant galaxies are stretched and lengthened due to the stretching of the space of the universe as those light waves travelled over eons of time to reach us here on earth. The data embedded in those stretched rays of light reveal that our magnificent universe was created at just under 14 billion years ago.

The Age of the Universe: One Reality Viewed from Two Different Perspectives

 

[Mindful]

^The opening chapter of Genesis states that six days passed between the creation of the universe and the creation of Adam. Then in Genesis, Chapter 4 we read that Adam and Eve had two sons, Cain and Abel. Cain murdered Abel and Cain was exiled by God. The achievements of Cain’s progeny are listed in chapter 4. Then in Chapter 5 we read that 130 years passed before Adam and Eve had their third child who is named Seth, and then 105 years passed before Seth fathered his first child. This pattern of stating the time spans between births is continued with no break until Joseph is sold as a slave into Egypt (Genesis 37:2, 28, 36). We add all those ages plus the years to their exodus from Egyptian slavery and their entering the Promised Land and then their exile from that Land. With the conclusion of the Hebrew Bible we add the ages of the kings, queens, presidents etc. that followed, Summing all those data we reach an age for the universe of a bit less than 6000 years.

 

[OldLady]

"Days" didn't mean days. Ages, maybe?

 

[toobfreak]

"Days" didn't mean days. Ages, maybe?

Agreed. Each "day" could have actually been a trillion years. Since the Earth had not even formed yet, there were no earth "days" to even relate to! The author was merely trying to break up the passage of time into six equal units that the reader could relate to.

 

[TNHarley]

How can you logically apply a timescale to the universe?
Young compared to what?
Old compared to what?
There is nothing to compare it to because the universe was the beginning of everything.

 

[ding]

~14 billion years old.

 

[luchitociencia]

Can the universe be young and old simultaneously?
For centuries, science and theology have been locked in an ideological battle as to the ultimate source of truth. And basic to this standoff is the question of the age of our universe. Is it an old universe with a history containing fossils of dinosaurs and cavemen, or young with just a few days passing between the creation of the universe and the creation of Adam, the first human being? And if our universe is young, then the so-called ancient fossils were placed in the ground by God to test our faith in the truth of the Bible.

The old age measure of our universe is based on research by astronomers and cosmologists. These scientists measure how much light waves from distant galaxies are stretched and lengthened due to the stretching of the space of the universe as those light waves travelled over eons of time to reach us here on earth. The data embedded in those stretched rays of light reveal that our magnificent universe was created at just under 14 billion years ago.

The Age of the Universe: One Reality Viewed from Two Different Perspectives

Using light waves to obtain data of the age of the universe is simply ridiculous if not idiotic.

To start, those scientists have not a single idea of the size of the universe. Then, what they perceive is not guaranteed is the only light around.

They talk about space expansion and they don't have any instrument to prove it.

You can prove the motion of a body, regardless of how far the body is, you can estimate its motion. But you can't perceive space as if space is an object, how do you know is expanding?

Show here the instrument that colors space and allow us to see how it moves.

I see a car in motion over the route. And because the car when is far away appears to me is going faster without reason, will that means the car appears to be running at faster speeds because "the route is expanding"? Are they nuts?

Come on, go back to your senses, those people know a lot about "space expansion" but they know nothing about physics.

 

[toobfreak]

Can the universe be young and old simultaneously?
For centuries, science and theology have been locked in an ideological battle as to the ultimate source of truth. And basic to this standoff is the question of the age of our universe. Is it an old universe with a history containing fossils of dinosaurs and cavemen, or young with just a few days passing between the creation of the universe and the creation of Adam, the first human being? And if our universe is young, then the so-called ancient fossils were placed in the ground by God to test our faith in the truth of the Bible.

The old age measure of our universe is based on research by astronomers and cosmologists. These scientists measure how much light waves from distant galaxies are stretched and lengthened due to the stretching of the space of the universe as those light waves travelled over eons of time to reach us here on earth. The data embedded in those stretched rays of light reveal that our magnificent universe was created at just under 14 billion years ago.

The Age of the Universe: One Reality Viewed from Two Different Perspectives

Using light waves to obtain data of the age of the universe is simply ridiculous if not idiotic.

To start, those scientists have not a single idea of the size of the universe. Then, what they perceive is not guaranteed is the only light around.

They talk about space expansion and they don't have any instrument to prove it.

You can prove the motion of a body, regardless of how far the body is, you can estimate its motion. But you can't perceive space as if space is an object, how do you know is expanding?

Show here the instrument that colors space and allow us to see how it moves.

I see a car in motion over the route. And because the car when is far away appears to me is going faster without reason, will that means the car appears to be running at faster speeds because "the route is expanding"? Are they nuts?

Come on, go back to your senses, those people know a lot about "space expansion" but they know nothing about physics.

That is actually a pretty cogent post!

1. Since light waves are affected by everything and can only shine from an era when the universe was transparent to light, using light as a gauge of infinity or eternity really isn't that smart.
2. They claim space expands, but pretty hard to really know or measure something like that when the measuring device itself (the scientist and his instruments) are subject to being affected by the very thing they hope to objectively measure.
3. Space is not a "thing." Space is a framework within which things exist. Therefore, space cannot be seen directly for the thing that "sees" it would necessarily have to be OUTSIDE of the framework of space to do so.

 

[Votto]

 

[BreezeWood]

Can the universe be young and old simultaneously?

does the sun rise ... each morning. the universe has always been and will always be.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The author was merely trying to break up the passage of time into six equal units that the reader could relate to.

Ha...no. The author was breaking up time into units that the AUTHOR could relate to, since the author was a terrified, ignorant, superstitious iron aged man ajd had no concept whatsoever of geological or cosmological timescales

 

[toobfreak]

Can the universe be young and old simultaneously?

does the sun rise ... each morning. the universe has always been and will always be.

The Sun never rises. We turn towards it. And that too shall eventually end in time, as will the Sun, the Earth and the Universe. Entropy is an indisputable physical fact.

 

[BreezeWood]

Can the universe be young and old simultaneously?

does the sun rise ... each morning. the universe has always been and will always be.

The Sun never rises. We turn towards it. And that too shall eventually end in time, as will the Sun, the Earth and the Universe. Entropy is an indisputable physical fact.

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The Sun never rises. We turn towards it.

... so, there is never a morning.

And that too shall eventually end in time, as will the Sun, the Earth and the Universe.

the universe is eternal ...

Entropy is an indisputable physical fact.

what is not pure.

 

[Augustine_]

For centuries, science and theology have been locked in an ideological battle as to the ultimate source of truth.

That's like saying scientists and anti-vaxxers and been locked in a battle to cure disease. Only 1 side is actually doing anything.

 

[toobfreak]

The Sun never rises. We turn towards it.

... so, there is never a morning.

Nope, I never said that, you're putting words in my mouth.

And that too shall eventually end in time, as will the Sun, the Earth and the Universe.

the universe is eternal ...

No its not. Nothing is.

Entropy is an indisputable physical fact.

what is not pure.

 

[BreezeWood]

The Sun never rises. We turn towards it.

... so, there is never a morning.

Nope, I never said that, you're putting words in my mouth.

And that too shall eventually end in time, as will the Sun, the Earth and the Universe.

the universe is eternal ...

No its not. Nothing is.

Entropy is an indisputable physical fact.

what is not pure.

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Entropy is an indisputable physical fact.

not many in the periodic table decline over time ... nor a spirit triumphant over evil.

 

[ding]

It’s still ~14 billion years old.