The adults step in.

[frigidweirdo]

The manner of Biden's chaotic retreat made the world think twice about being a US ally.

Yeah, but it was Trump's fault. He signed the deal and let everything fall apart. Biden didn't have much leg room in leaving.

 

[DonGlock26]

Yeah, but it was Trump's fault. He signed the deal and let everything fall apart. Biden didn't have much leg room in leaving.

No, Biden was president and his administration handled the withdrawal in an incompetent manner.

 

[Correll]

I'm not saying the US shouldn't be part of negotiations under ordinary circumstances. But the childish display by Baby Donald and his pet dog, getting all hot and bothered over Zelenskyy not sufficiently groveling at trump's feet for doing the right thing, calls in to question trump's sincerity in achieving a peace deal that doesn't greatly favor his buddy Vlad. We can no longer be trusted.

Our only involvement was our funding. We pulled it. We're out.

They don't need to talk to US, to talk to Russia. THey are big boys now, all on their own. GROWN ASS MEN.

They can walk into Moscow, all on their own, and face Putin down and tell him he needs to pull all of his forces out of every inch of ukrainian soil. That is what lefites have been telling us Trump needed to do. So, that must be what they plan to do. RIght?

Then, Putin does that, and the europeans rebuild ukraine, with all the money they have, and they make Trump and maga look like fools and everyone lives happily ever after.

 

[Mac1958]

I'm not sure labeling the withdrawal, previously telegraphed by trump, as "Biden's retreat" does anything but show you don't see events for what they are.

They constantly try to equate Trump's insane actions with those of anyone they can think of. No matter how ridiculous the stretch has to be.

NO ONE behaves like Trump. No man, no woman, no child. No animal, no vegetable, no mineral. And they know it. So these games are just dishonest game-playing and pointless deflection.

 

[scruffy]

I'm not sure labeling the withdrawal, previously telegraphed by trump, as "Biden's retreat" does anything but show you don't see events for what they are.

Bullshit.

You're attempting another stupid leftard psy-op and IT WON'T WORK.

Don't you understand this is why the leftards got booted from office? Because of silly shit like this!

Leftards are dangerously stupid. They waste all their time on THIS silly shit instead of improving the condition of our country.

 

[berg80]

Sending cash to Z-Man. I wonder where all the cash went?

Gee, those types of open ended questions, implying something nefarious without having evidence, are exactly what I'd expect from the Kremlin. Or House Repubs.

 

[Mac1958]

As I mentioned yesterday on another thread, with a few exceptions (Israel) it seems unlikely our allies.........or at least the ones we previously considered to be our allies before trump 2.0.........will trust us to do intel sharing. Which makes all countries weaker...........except ones like China, N. Korea, Russia, Iran...........who are rejoicing at trump's petulant buffoonery.

Well...

 

[berg80]

They constantly try to equate Trump's insane actions with those of anyone they can think of. No matter how ridiculous the stretch has to be.

NO ONE behaves like Trump. No man, no woman, no child. No animal, no vegetable, no mineral. And they know it. So these games are just dishonest game-playing and pointless deflection.

The amusing thing is they seem to want to excuse Dotard's behavior by saying, "He told you he was going to do it." As if telling someone ahead of time you're going to hit them with a baseball bat is an excuse for doing so.

 

[Polishprince]

I'd be very disappointed if they do any more than offer a passing nod to us now. America cannot be trusted. And they sure as HELL had better not share any important intelligence or plans with us -- from Trump to Gabbard to Rubio.

Trump has won. He's motivated Europe to move on. We're neither an ally nor an enemy now. We're just a trading partner to access when needed. Constructive relationships are beyond him, and by extension America, until further notice.

America sent $250 Billion to Ukraine, I think they owe us a report for that kind of investment.

Particularly after they refused to sign the Mineral Deal which would have helped America. Denying US these minerals, particularly after we sent so many arms to them, is not the act of a friend.

Maybe they can get the Eurotrash to repay America for our previous contributions under Biden?

 

[Mac1958]

The amusing thing is they seem to want to excuse Dotard's behavior by saying, "He told you he was going to do it." As if telling someone ahead of time you're going to hit them with a baseball bat is an excuse for doing so.

Fifth Avenue Rule.

Europe needs to dissolve NATO. Start over. America is essentially a Mafia family now. You don't want to get involved with one of those under any circumstances, because then you're stuck.

 

[Tyrion234]

Fifth Avenue Rule.

Europe needs to dissolve NATO. Start over. America is essentially a Mafia family now. You don't want to get involved with one of those under any circumstances, because then you're stuck.

You’re brilliant! Europe needs NATO more than the US needs NATO you dumb twat

 

[Mac1958]

Unless Europe has capabilities that we don't know about, Zelensky has to bend over for Trump.

He's fucked. He trusted America. Going forward, the world knows it can no longer do that.

 

[struth]

Britain, France and Ukraine to Develop Cease-Fire Plan to Present to U.S.​

Prime Minister Keir Starmer of Britain said Sunday that he would work with the leaders of Ukraine and France on a cease-fire plan to end Russia’s war in Ukraine, as the region reels from the Trump administration’s recent moves.

The comments came ahead of a summit in London later on Sunday where Mr. Starmer will meet with President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine and other European leaders. The meeting took on greater urgency after Mr. Zelensky’s heated Oval Office meeting with President Trump and Vice President JD Vance on Friday raised fears the U.S. would try to strong-arm him into making a peace deal on whatever terms the Americans dictated.

Democrats Invite Fired Federal Workers to Trump’s Congressional Address

The move comes as lawmakers hear backlash from constituents over President Trump and Elon Musk’s efforts to slash federal spending and shrink the civil service. A European summit in London concludes with promises of aid to Ukraine.

www.nytimes.com

To be honest, I'm not sure why the plan will be presented to the US at all. trump has shown himself to be an unworthy partner in any peace negotiation. He and Putin represent a unified front so why not just go straight to Vlad. Unless of course Putin insists his friend Don be included.

Cool, let them come up with an idea and present it to Trump.

 

[scruffy]

No, it doesn't. That's a lie that Trump and other Americans band around without actually understanding what the fuck they're talking about.

NATO Spending by Country 2025

worldpopulationreview.com

That's PERCENT OF GDP, you lying fucking idiot.

You have defense spending per country. The US is second behind Poland (which is worried about Russia).

Horseshit.

Poland does not spend 800 billion a year on defense.

Even a blindfolded ten year old is going to call you a liar. Which you are.

So, Trump is lying.

So we finally get to the point of your lying screed.

Shame on you.

 

[Polishprince]

Fifth Avenue Rule.

Europe needs to dissolve NATO. Start over. America is essentially a Mafia family now. You don't want to get involved with one of those under any circumstances, because then you're stuck.

What makes you think that Europe want to pay 100% for their own defense?

 

[frigidweirdo]

No, Biden was president and his administration handled the withdrawal in an incompetent manner.

Is that how your brain functions? Or is it just that something is convenient, so no matter how stupid it makes you sound, you'll say it anyway?

 

[berg80]

The manner of Biden's chaotic retreat made the world think twice about being a US ally.

Ludicrous. The collapse of the Afghan army and an inability to secure the airport being used to facilitate the withdrawal isn't going to deter any country from being an ally of ours. But what trump is doing to Ukraine might.

 

[DonGlock26]

Ludicrous. The collapse of the Afghan army and an inability to secure the airport being used to facilitate the withdrawal isn't going to deter any country from being an ally of ours. But what trump is doing to Ukraine might.

Democrat foreign policy in action:

 

[berg80]

What makes you think that Europe want to pay 100% for their own defense?

I'm sure European nations, and signatories to NATO, would prefer to have a reliable partner in the US. But they understand they no longer do.

 

[Polishprince]

I'm sure European nations, and signatories to NATO, would prefer to have a reliable partner in the US. But they understand they no longer do.

I'm sure as well the Eurotrash tyrants don't want to answer to America and would want to continue to rely on US financing without any responsibility to those who are funding their wars..