The adults step in.

[Meathead]

Britain, France and Ukraine to Develop Cease-Fire Plan to Present to U.S.​

Prime Minister Keir Starmer of Britain said Sunday that he would work with the leaders of Ukraine and France on a cease-fire plan to end Russia’s war in Ukraine, as the region reels from the Trump administration’s recent moves.

The comments came ahead of a summit in London later on Sunday where Mr. Starmer will meet with President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine and other European leaders. The meeting took on greater urgency after Mr. Zelensky’s heated Oval Office meeting with President Trump and Vice President JD Vance on Friday raised fears the U.S. would try to strong-arm him into making a peace deal on whatever terms the Americans dictated.

Democrats Invite Fired Federal Workers to Trump’s Congressional Address

The move comes as lawmakers hear backlash from constituents over President Trump and Elon Musk’s efforts to slash federal spending and shrink the civil service. A European summit in London concludes with promises of aid to Ukraine.

www.nytimes.com

To be honest, I'm not sure why the plan will be presented to the US at all. trump has shown himself to be an unworthy partner in any peace negotiation. He and Putin represent a unified front so why not just go straight to Vlad. Unless of course Putin insists his friend Don be included.

True, Zelensky did need help.

 

[SmokeALib]

Britain, France and Ukraine to Develop Cease-Fire Plan to Present to U.S.​

Prime Minister Keir Starmer of Britain said Sunday that he would work with the leaders of Ukraine and France on a cease-fire plan to end Russia’s war in Ukraine, as the region reels from the Trump administration’s recent moves.

The comments came ahead of a summit in London later on Sunday where Mr. Starmer will meet with President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine and other European leaders. The meeting took on greater urgency after Mr. Zelensky’s heated Oval Office meeting with President Trump and Vice President JD Vance on Friday raised fears the U.S. would try to strong-arm him into making a peace deal on whatever terms the Americans dictated.

Democrats Invite Fired Federal Workers to Trump’s Congressional Address

The move comes as lawmakers hear backlash from constituents over President Trump and Elon Musk’s efforts to slash federal spending and shrink the civil service. A European summit in London concludes with promises of aid to Ukraine.

www.nytimes.com

To be honest, I'm not sure why the plan will be presented to the US at all. trump has shown himself to be an unworthy partner in any peace negotiation. He and Putin represent a unified front so why not just go straight to Vlad. Unless of course Putin insists his friend Don be included.

Hey, if Europe can bring peace to Ukraine, I'm all for it. Trump has enough bullshit to deal with here at home.

 

[Mac-7]

Where were these fucking idiots 4 years ago?

Well said

Trump is the catalyst to peace even when he’s not in the room

Some good could come out of this but its a long shot

 

[ThisIsMe]

Britain, France and Ukraine to Develop Cease-Fire Plan to Present to U.S.​

Prime Minister Keir Starmer of Britain said Sunday that he would work with the leaders of Ukraine and France on a cease-fire plan to end Russia’s war in Ukraine, as the region reels from the Trump administration’s recent moves.

The comments came ahead of a summit in London later on Sunday where Mr. Starmer will meet with President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine and other European leaders. The meeting took on greater urgency after Mr. Zelensky’s heated Oval Office meeting with President Trump and Vice President JD Vance on Friday raised fears the U.S. would try to strong-arm him into making a peace deal on whatever terms the Americans dictated.

Democrats Invite Fired Federal Workers to Trump’s Congressional Address

The move comes as lawmakers hear backlash from constituents over President Trump and Elon Musk’s efforts to slash federal spending and shrink the civil service. A European summit in London concludes with promises of aid to Ukraine.

www.nytimes.com

To be honest, I'm not sure why the plan will be presented to the US at all. trump has shown himself to be an unworthy partner in any peace negotiation. He and Putin represent a unified front so why not just go straight to Vlad. Unless of course Putin insists his friend Don be included.

To be honest, I'm not sure why the plan will be presented to the US at all

Because we are still a part of all this. We still have sent them billions in cash and weapons.

 

[Mac-7]

Because we are still a part of all this. We still have sent them billions in cash and weapons.

Except for Poland the Euros are weak and disorganized

 

[Scoutster]

Because we are still a part of all this. We still have sent them billions in cash and weapons.

reality is I don’t see Russia giving a shit one way or the other about Europes peace proposal, everybody realizes if the US isn’t involved in pitching this it’s probably going nowhere and even worse. If we decide to stop funding this mess Europe and Ukraine are screwed and they know it!

 

[Delldude]

To be honest, I'm not sure why the plan will be presented to the US at all.

Because we're the 500 pound gorilla in the room and still in charge.

 

[jc456]

Britain, France and Ukraine to Develop Cease-Fire Plan to Present to U.S.​

Prime Minister Keir Starmer of Britain said Sunday that he would work with the leaders of Ukraine and France on a cease-fire plan to end Russia’s war in Ukraine, as the region reels from the Trump administration’s recent moves.

The comments came ahead of a summit in London later on Sunday where Mr. Starmer will meet with President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine and other European leaders. The meeting took on greater urgency after Mr. Zelensky’s heated Oval Office meeting with President Trump and Vice President JD Vance on Friday raised fears the U.S. would try to strong-arm him into making a peace deal on whatever terms the Americans dictated.

Democrats Invite Fired Federal Workers to Trump’s Congressional Address

The move comes as lawmakers hear backlash from constituents over President Trump and Elon Musk’s efforts to slash federal spending and shrink the civil service. A European summit in London concludes with promises of aid to Ukraine.

www.nytimes.com

To be honest, I'm not sure why the plan will be presented to the US at all. trump has shown himself to be an unworthy partner in any peace negotiation. He and Putin represent a unified front so why not just go straight to Vlad. Unless of course Putin insists his friend Don be included.

where are the adults?

 

[jc456]

Sending cash to Z-Man. I wonder where all the cash went?

Saw a fk this past Friday saying that the money ukraine received was grant money and we aren't owed anything back. My ask to anyone with that belief, what was the name of the grant?

 

[jc456]

Britain, France and Ukraine to Develop Cease-Fire Plan to Present to U.S.​

Prime Minister Keir Starmer of Britain said Sunday that he would work with the leaders of Ukraine and France on a cease-fire plan to end Russia’s war in Ukraine, as the region reels from the Trump administration’s recent moves.

The comments came ahead of a summit in London later on Sunday where Mr. Starmer will meet with President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine and other European leaders. The meeting took on greater urgency after Mr. Zelensky’s heated Oval Office meeting with President Trump and Vice President JD Vance on Friday raised fears the U.S. would try to strong-arm him into making a peace deal on whatever terms the Americans dictated.

Democrats Invite Fired Federal Workers to Trump’s Congressional Address

The move comes as lawmakers hear backlash from constituents over President Trump and Elon Musk’s efforts to slash federal spending and shrink the civil service. A European summit in London concludes with promises of aid to Ukraine.

www.nytimes.com

To be honest, I'm not sure why the plan will be presented to the US at all. trump has shown himself to be an unworthy partner in any peace negotiation. He and Putin represent a unified front so why not just go straight to Vlad. Unless of course Putin insists his friend Don be included.

Why do they need the US if they are the adults?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Europe can have the Ukrainian lying grifter.

 

[jc456]

Europe can have the Ukrainian lying grifter.

The better response is, if they are the adults, why do they need the US. Sounds like they have it handled time to move on.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

The better response is, if they are the adults, why do they need the US. Sounds like they have it handled time to move on.

And the answer is, europe is nothing without the US. We have bailed them out of 2 WWs. One would think that an entire Europe would build a military to defend themselves. No no, just leach off the US.

 

[DonGlock26]

It is true. trump signed an agreement calling for our withdrawal. Biden followed through on it. Securing the airport where a terrorist blew himself up in a suicide bombing was never going to be possible no matter who was prez when the withdrawal took place. Morale in the Afghan military dropped after Dotard greatly reduced the US troop presence which lead to its capitulation prior to the completion of the withdrawal. There's plenty of blame to go around. Biden should rightly be blamed for not making arrangements early enough to get Afghans who helped us out of the country.

Biden really f-ed up then. I'm not surpised. Look at all the Obama admin losers he surrounded himself with.
Kabul was Benghazi 2: Taliban Boogaloo.

 

[theHawk]

Britain, France and Ukraine to Develop Cease-Fire Plan to Present to U.S.​

Prime Minister Keir Starmer of Britain said Sunday that he would work with the leaders of Ukraine and France on a cease-fire plan to end Russia’s war in Ukraine, as the region reels from the Trump administration’s recent moves.

The comments came ahead of a summit in London later on Sunday where Mr. Starmer will meet with President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine and other European leaders. The meeting took on greater urgency after Mr. Zelensky’s heated Oval Office meeting with President Trump and Vice President JD Vance on Friday raised fears the U.S. would try to strong-arm him into making a peace deal on whatever terms the Americans dictated.

Democrats Invite Fired Federal Workers to Trump’s Congressional Address

The move comes as lawmakers hear backlash from constituents over President Trump and Elon Musk’s efforts to slash federal spending and shrink the civil service. A European summit in London concludes with promises of aid to Ukraine.

www.nytimes.com

To be honest, I'm not sure why the plan will be presented to the US at all. trump has shown himself to be an unworthy partner in any peace negotiation. He and Putin represent a unified front so why not just go straight to Vlad. Unless of course Putin insists his friend Don be included.

A cease fire plan?

Didn’t Zelensky just lecture the President and VP that there can be no cease fire agreement because Russia cannot be trusted?

How can there be a ceasefire without Russia coming to the table and agreeing to it?

Educate us.

 

[theHawk]

No, it doesn't. That's a lie that Trump and other Americans band around without actually understanding what the fuck they're talking about.

NATO Spending by Country 2025

worldpopulationreview.com

You have defense spending per country. The US is second behind Poland (which is worried about Russia).

However defense spending per country does NOT determine how much money goes to NATO.

The US spends a lot of money of things that have nothing to do with NATO.

The US spends loads of money on developing weapons, which is then sells. They add the costs, but don't deduct the sales from their defense budget.

US says Europe isn’t paying its dues on Nato – but how much are countries spending?

With President Donald Trump entering office for the second time, Nato spending is once again under scrutiny as the United States warns European countries must dig deeper into their pockets.

www.independent.co.uk

"The US contributes 15.8 per cent of the £3.8bn budget, the same as Germany, a far cry from the “90 to 100 per cent” which Trump claimed in an interview last year."

So, Germany with a population of like 80 million pays THE SAME as the US with a population of 330 million.

So, in reality the US only pays 16% of NATO expenditure. So, Trump is lying.

Total joke, Poland spends a fraction of what the US does:

 

[Delldude]

A cease fire plan?

Didn’t Zelensky just lecture the President and VP that there can be no cease fire agreement because Russia cannot be trusted?

How can there be a ceasefire without Russia coming to the table and agreeing to it?

Educate us.

Take it a step further..... Zelensky just said today the war is very very far from over.

Trump paused all Uke aid.

 

[Blisterfinger]

Britain, France and Ukraine to Develop Cease-Fire Plan to Present to U.S.​

Prime Minister Keir Starmer of Britain said Sunday that he would work with the leaders of Ukraine and France on a cease-fire plan to end Russia’s war in Ukraine, as the region reels from the Trump administration’s recent moves.

The comments came ahead of a summit in London later on Sunday where Mr. Starmer will meet with President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine and other European leaders. The meeting took on greater urgency after Mr. Zelensky’s heated Oval Office meeting with President Trump and Vice President JD Vance on Friday raised fears the U.S. would try to strong-arm him into making a peace deal on whatever terms the Americans dictated.

Democrats Invite Fired Federal Workers to Trump’s Congressional Address

The move comes as lawmakers hear backlash from constituents over President Trump and Elon Musk’s efforts to slash federal spending and shrink the civil service. A European summit in London concludes with promises of aid to Ukraine.

www.nytimes.com

To be honest, I'm not sure why the plan will be presented to the US at all. trump has shown himself to be an unworthy partner in any peace negotiation. He and Putin represent a unified front so why not just go straight to Vlad. Unless of course Putin insists his friend Don be included.

All Trump wants is peace. Nothing wrong with that, no matter how much you slander him.

 

[Delldude]

All Trump wants is peace. Nothing wrong with that, no matter how much you slander him.

Can't let Him have a win.

 

[Marchimedes]

Britain, France and Ukraine to Develop Cease-Fire Plan to Present to U.S.​

Prime Minister Keir Starmer of Britain said Sunday that he would work with the leaders of Ukraine and France on a cease-fire plan to end Russia’s war in Ukraine, as the region reels from the Trump administration’s recent moves.

The comments came ahead of a summit in London later on Sunday where Mr. Starmer will meet with President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine and other European leaders. The meeting took on greater urgency after Mr. Zelensky’s heated Oval Office meeting with President Trump and Vice President JD Vance on Friday raised fears the U.S. would try to strong-arm him into making a peace deal on whatever terms the Americans dictated.

Democrats Invite Fired Federal Workers to Trump’s Congressional Address

The move comes as lawmakers hear backlash from constituents over President Trump and Elon Musk’s efforts to slash federal spending and shrink the civil service. A European summit in London concludes with promises of aid to Ukraine.

www.nytimes.com

Wait! What? You can start an entire thread as this site with the thoughts of others? Then a little blurb at the end going...

To be honest, I'm not sure why the plan will be presented to the US at all. trump has shown himself to be an unworthy partner in any peace negotiation. He and Putin represent a unified front so why not just go straight to Vlad. Unless of course Putin insists his friend Don be included.

Masterful. Putin = Trump. That's new.

So Zelensky refused to enter a financial agreement with America because there were no security agreements then he went to the UK and took a loan with no security agreement.

No matter what amount of killer weapons the entire world pours into Ukraine with the men Ukraine has what chance have they at getting their taken land back?