The adults step in.

I hope this is correct, but it sounds too good to be true.

If the UK and France are so interested in a cease-fire, why did they not do this long ago?

When has Zelenskyy given any indication that he wants to cease firing? He said of Russian troop being killed "they came to our turf." He's going to suddenly want to stop killing them?

If so, it will only be because Trump and Vance made it clear that the U.S. is not going to finance his killing spree.
Um, Russia invaded another independent country (Ukraine). Killing kinda goes with the territory. Be smart. :rolleyes:
 
European leaders emerged from a summit with President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine and other leaders in London on Sunday to say that the European Union had embarked on a surge in military spending.

The president of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, said the European Union would present a plan to do just that on Thursday. Europe, she said, will also fortify Ukraine with economic and military aid, aiming to turn the country into “a steel porcupine that is indigestible for potential invaders.”


Dotard is ceding more influence to China in the East even as he turns his back on our allies in the West. All while setting us up for protracted trade wars with trading partners, putting us on a course for ruin.
 
Um, Russia invaded another independent country (Ukraine). Killing kinda goes with the territory. Be smart. :rolleyes:
Sure. Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian voters, if they ever get to vote again, have every right to keep killing the invaders. No doubt.

Let them do it on their own dime, or with Europe's help.

We're done trying to negotiate peace with people who don't want peace.
 
Yeah, but it was Trump's fault. He signed the deal and let everything fall apart. Biden didn't have much leg room in leaving.
What has fallen apart when he left office? He had the troop levels that the military recommended. He had the plan and requirements in place for leaving

Xiden ignored it and his own military
 
Sure. Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian voters, if they ever get to vote again, have every right to keep killing the invaders. No doubt.

Let them do it on their own dime, or with Europe's help.

We're done trying to negotiate peace with people who don't want peace.
I know the situation.
 
Wasn't the retreat put in play by the former president? could we have done a better job of it?
We never get enough honest information, 2 party propaganda seems to rule..

Trump did not start a retreat. Biden did.
 
Trump did not start a retreat. Biden did.
President Donald Trump ordered a rapid withdrawal of all U.S. troops from Afghanistan and Somalia in the wake of his 2020 election loss, but senior officials never followed through on the plan, according to testimony released by the congressional January 6 committee on Thursday.

“The order was for an immediate withdrawal, and it would have been catastrophic,” said Rep. Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill., one of two Republican members of the special panel. “And yet President Trump signed the order.”

 
President Donald Trump ordered a rapid withdrawal of all U.S. troops from Afghanistan and Somalia in the wake of his 2020 election loss, but senior officials never followed through on the plan, according to testimony released by the congressional January 6 committee on Thursday.

“The order was for an immediate withdrawal, and it would have been catastrophic,” said Rep. Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill., one of two Republican members of the special panel. “And yet President Trump signed the order.”


If this is true, it never started according to your source. Biden did order a retreat and it was a disaster.
 

Britain, France and Ukraine to Develop Cease-Fire Plan to Present to U.S.​

Prime Minister Keir Starmer of Britain said Sunday that he would work with the leaders of Ukraine and France on a cease-fire plan to end Russia’s war in Ukraine, as the region reels from the Trump administration’s recent moves.

The comments came ahead of a summit in London later on Sunday where Mr. Starmer will meet with President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine and other European leaders. The meeting took on greater urgency after Mr. Zelensky’s heated Oval Office meeting with President Trump and Vice President JD Vance on Friday raised fears the U.S. would try to strong-arm him into making a peace deal on whatever terms the Americans dictated.


To be honest, I'm not sure why the plan will be presented to the US at all. trump has shown himself to be an unworthy partner in any peace negotiation. He and Putin represent a unified front so why not just go straight to Vlad. Unless of course Putin insists his friend Don be included.

Well in all fairness, Ukraine cant come out of this looking like the US's BFF if it wants peace to last so it is better to have Europe broker the deal.
 

Britain, France and Ukraine to Develop Cease-Fire Plan to Present to U.S.​

Prime Minister Keir Starmer of Britain said Sunday that he would work with the leaders of Ukraine and France on a cease-fire plan to end Russia’s war in Ukraine, as the region reels from the Trump administration’s recent moves.

The comments came ahead of a summit in London later on Sunday where Mr. Starmer will meet with President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine and other European leaders. The meeting took on greater urgency after Mr. Zelensky’s heated Oval Office meeting with President Trump and Vice President JD Vance on Friday raised fears the U.S. would try to strong-arm him into making a peace deal on whatever terms the Americans dictated.


To be honest, I'm not sure why the plan will be presented to the US at all. trump has shown himself to be an unworthy partner in any peace negotiation. He and Putin represent a unified front so why not just go straight to Vlad. Unless of course Putin insists his friend Don be included.
Yet another masterful negotiating move by Trump, getting European Countries to start pulling their weight in this financially and otherwise. This is why the guy has no equal.

No more giving the little dictator $175 billion, most of which gets stolen. The gravy train is over. We should ALL be grateful to Trump for this.
 
Yet another masterful negotiating move by Trump, getting European Countries to start pulling their weight in this financially and otherwise. This is why the guy has no equal.

No more giving the little dictator $175 billion, most of which gets stolen. The gravy train is over. We should ALL be grateful to Trump for this.
EU is in charge but notice the last part of the headline....' to present to the US '.......... :auiqs.jpg:
 
If this is true, it never started according to your source. Biden did order a retreat and it was a disaster.
It is true. trump signed an agreement calling for our withdrawal. Biden followed through on it. Securing the airport where a terrorist blew himself up in a suicide bombing was never going to be possible no matter who was prez when the withdrawal took place. Morale in the Afghan military dropped after Dotard greatly reduced the US troop presence which lead to its capitulation prior to the completion of the withdrawal. There's plenty of blame to go around. Biden should rightly be blamed for not making arrangements early enough to get Afghans who helped us out of the country.
 
There's plenty of blame to go around. Biden should rightly be blamed for not making arrangements early enough to get Afghans who helped us out of the country.
Even Bidens generals said he screwed it up.
Bidens aides admitted he had nothing to do with the withdrawal.
So who was in charge?
 
Sure. Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian voters, if they ever get to vote again, have every right to keep killing the invaders. No doubt.

Let them do it on their own dime, or with Europe's help.

We're done trying to negotiate peace with people who don't want peace.
Why doesn't trump point out that Putin is a dictator?

LONDON, March 18 (Reuters) - An independent Russian vote monitoring group said on Monday that the presidential election that Vladimir Putin won in a landslide with nearly 90% of the vote was the most fraudulent and corrupt in the country's history.

Golos (Voice) said the three-day election that ended on Sunday could not be considered genuine because "the campaign took place in a situation where the fundamental articles of the Russian Constitution, guaranteeing political rights and freedoms, were essentially not in effect".

 
Europe can support his war. Its in their backyard plus they got guarantees on their money. Corn pop was too stupid to do something like that and just gave away hundreds of billions.
 
Why doesn't trump point out that Putin is a dictator?

LONDON, March 18 (Reuters) - An independent Russian vote monitoring group said on Monday that the presidential election that Vladimir Putin won in a landslide with nearly 90% of the vote was the most fraudulent and corrupt in the country's history.

Golos (Voice) said the three-day election that ended on Sunday could not be considered genuine because "the campaign took place in a situation where the fundamental articles of the Russian Constitution, guaranteeing political rights and freedoms, were essentially not in effect".

Why state the obvious?
 

Britain, France and Ukraine to Develop Cease-Fire Plan to Present to U.S.​

Prime Minister Keir Starmer of Britain said Sunday that he would work with the leaders of Ukraine and France on a cease-fire plan to end Russia’s war in Ukraine, as the region reels from the Trump administration’s recent moves.

The comments came ahead of a summit in London later on Sunday where Mr. Starmer will meet with President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine and other European leaders. The meeting took on greater urgency after Mr. Zelensky’s heated Oval Office meeting with President Trump and Vice President JD Vance on Friday raised fears the U.S. would try to strong-arm him into making a peace deal on whatever terms the Americans dictated.


To be honest, I'm not sure why the plan will be presented to the US at all. trump has shown himself to be an unworthy partner in any peace negotiation. He and Putin represent a unified front so why not just go straight to Vlad. Unless of course Putin insists his friend Don be included.

They wait until AFTER Trump negotiates a Peace Deal.

They had 3 whole years since Feb 2022
 

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