Debate Now The Absurdity of 'Woke'

[Foxfyre]

It's true that the left exaggerates the cause

But that's only in America and they do it spitefully to cause it to stick in the Maga craws.

And now the leftist DemoKKKrats have capitalized on the whole shit fight by getting a woke Pope!

Don't trust any Catholicks! They're all as gay as a priest's birthday party guests!

Sorry but I don't condemn all Catholics or even most Catholics or more than a small fraction of Catholics. A tiny oligarchy selects the Pope without any input or advice from all the rest. That a few Catholics have done, defended, covered up wrong doing by other Catholics in no way condemns all. And though I have quite a few gay people among my friends and family, I can't think of any of the many Catholics among friends and family that are gay.

There are honorable Democrats out there and I will agree that these days they do seem much harder to find and identify than honorable Catholics can be found and identified.

But among the 'woke' who are Democrats and/or Catholic, neither defend much that is honorable or defensible.

 

[Foxfyre]

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What a hero!



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"Woke" does seem to generate a lot of its own brand of hypocrisy.

 

[Foxfyre]

Woke is now defined in this dictionary as “aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice),” and identified as U.S. slang.

But in reality, Woke is black racism and hatred, stereotyping and prejudice.
As with a lot of radical left things it is the opposite of what it's supposed to be.

One of the primary initiatives among the 'woke' is to redefine words and put their own spin on them, especially on the internet. It's pretty galling when you can no longer trust on line dictionaries to provide competent definitions for words because of that.

 

[Donald H]

And though I have quite a few gay people among my friends and family, I can't think of any of the many Catholics among friends and family that are gay.

Well it's not like they're going to fall on their knees and blow you in public. Even with the altar boys, they're more discreet than that!

 

[Foxfyre]

Well it's not like they're going to fall on their knees and blow you in public. Even with the altar boys, they're more discreet than that!

Perhaps you could choose another thread to denigrate Catholics? I have enjoyed worshiping with my Catholic friends and relatives even though I am not myself nor have I ever been Catholic. I will never agree that the vast majority are anything other than honest, honorable people. Any Catholics who are 'woke' are not 'woke' because they are Catholic but in spite of being Catholic and in spite of denying their basic Catholic values and teachings.

 

[Concerned American]

Perhaps you could choose another thread to denigrate Catholics? I have enjoyed worshiping with my Catholic friends and relatives even though I am not myself nor have I ever been Catholic. I will never agree that the vast majority are anything other than honest, honorable people. Any Catholics who are 'woke' are not 'woke' because they are Catholic but in spite of being Catholic and in spite of denying their basic Catholic values and teachings.

I think you should have referred the duck to your post #1 as he is blatantly trolling.

 

[Foxfyre]

I think you should have referred the duck to your post #1 as he is blatantly trolling.

Well he is putting his own definition and labels of 'woke' on people so technically that is within the thread topic no matter how lame or wrong he might be.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Sorry but I don't condemn all Catholics or even most Catholics or more than a small fraction of Catholics. A tiny oligarchy selects the Pope without any input or advice from all the rest. That a few Catholics have done, defended, covered up wrong doing by other Catholics in no way condemns all. And though I have quite a few gay people among my friends and family, I can't think of any of the many Catholics among friends and family that are gay.

There are honorable Democrats out there and I will agree that these days they do seem much harder to find and identify than honorable Catholics can be found and identified.

But among the 'woke' who are Democrats and/or Catholic, neither defend much that is honorable or defensible.

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If you are interested in learning more about how the left cult places the gay priests in direct contact with their victims, read this book:

And/or listen to this video:

 

[Donald H]

Perhaps you could choose another thread to denigrate Catholics?

I can go to another thread but only if you can clean up this one so as to make my comments out of tune here. Mine are no worse than all the other spamming and trolling.

I have enjoyed worshiping with my Catholic friends and relatives even though I am not myself nor have I ever been Catholic.

Let's not have to hear you pretending to take the high road here, when you're on a thread that's meant to shit on 'woke'!

I will never agree that the vast majority are anything other than honest, honorable people.

They may be honourable but they're not all being honest with themselves. Most of them are conceding that their bibles are allegorical bullshit, but still try to convince us that it's all literally true! That doesn't work anymore.

Any Catholics who are 'woke' are not 'woke' because they are Catholic but in spite of being Catholic and in spite of denying their basic Catholic values and teachings.

So they elect a 'woke' Pope in spite of themselves? Is that what you want us to believe?

One Catholic's values and teachings are directly contradicting another's.

One of them will have Jonah living happily in the big fish, while another understands it's goofy shit, that 'can' be made up. Obviously??

 

[Foxfyre]

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If you are interested in learning more about how the left cult places the gay priests in direct contact with their victims, read this book:

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And/or listen to this video:

I might get around to it but I have read/studied/participated in comprehensive discussion groups on that topic quite a bit. Modern day American 'liberalism/progressivism" (which of course is anything but liberal), under the guise of political correctness/wokeness has has infiltrated so much of our institutions and not a single one of them is better or improved in any way because of it and most have seriously suffered.

And under the protection of political correctness and wokeness the more sick, deviant, evil have gained access to the children. They volunteer or go into professions where they have unrestricted access to the children. When they are caught, those with 'woke' leadership just move the perpetrators someplace else. Those taking measures to protect the children are sued because they are denying access to a 'protected class.'

The Catholic Church (and other denominations) have suffered as a result of that. Many great institutions that were excellent and positive influences on children--the Boy Scouts of America is one example--no longer exist.

Wokeness is an insidious and creeping culture antithesis to basic traditional American values. Virtue, honor, righteousness pretty much vanish wherever it gains a foothold.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

I might get around to it but I have read/studied/participated in comprehensive discussion groups on that topic quite a bit. Modern day American 'liberalism/progressivism" (which of course is anything but liberal), under the guise of political correctness/wokeness has has infiltrated so much of our institutions and not a single one of them is better or improved in any way because of it and most have seriously suffered.

And under the protection of political correctness and wokeness the more sick, deviant, evil have gained access to the children. They volunteer or go into professions where they have unrestricted access to the children. When they are caught, those with 'woke' leadership just move the perpetrators someplace else. Those taking measures to protect the children are sued because they are denying access to a 'protected class.'

The Catholic Church (and other denominations) have suffered as a result of that. Many great institutions that were excellent and positive influences on children--the Boy Scouts of America is one example--no longer exist.

Wokeness is an insidious and creeping culture antithesis to basic traditional American values and virtue, honor, righteousness pretty much vanish wherever it gains a foothold.

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I am thrilled with our new pope. Small, simple things about him tell me he will lead the Catholic Church in a good direction. We are very lucky in my area to have some good, manly, trustworthy priests, but they are aging, as is our bishop. We're kind of holding our breath.

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[Foxfyre]

I can go to another thread but only if you can clean up this one so as to make my comments out of tune here. Mine are no worse than all the other spamming and trolling.

Let's not have to hear you pretending to take the high road here, when you're on a thread that's meant to shit on 'woke'!

They may be honourable but they're not all being honest with themselves. Most of them are conceding that their bibles are allegorical bullshit, but still try to convince us that it's all literally true! That doesn't work anymore.

So they elect a 'woke' Pope in spite of themselves? Is that what you want us to believe?

One Catholic's values and teachings are directly contradicting another's.

One of them will have Jonah living happily in the big fish, while another understands it's goofy shit, that 'can' be made up. Obviously??

Nobody but the 133 Cardinals authorized to vote for Pope have ANY say whatsoever in who will be Pope. None of the other 1.4+ BILLION Roman Catholics have any say whatsover. I don't want to do the math to determine what percentage of 1.4 billion that 133 is but it is such a tiny percentage of 1% that it is entirely indefensible and absurd to accuse all Catholics for who is Pope or what sort of person the Pope is.

And until you can show you are a model of virtue and righteousness and infallible in your beliefs and opinions, you can look very foolish and mean spirited presuming to judge others as somehow more misinformed or unrighteous than you. Or to assume that people are 'woke' by virtue that they are Catholic.

As for putting down 'wokeness', yes that is the purpose of this thread that you continue to ignore. Do I oppose 'wokeness' as the wrong headed and often evil influence that it is? Yep. You can pretty much count on me to do that.

 

[Foxfyre]

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I am thrilled with our new pope. Small, simple things about him tell me he will lead the Catholic Church in a good direction. We are very lucky in my area to have some good, manly, trustworthy priests, but they are aging, as is our bishop. We're kind of holding our breath.

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I hope you're right. I am seeing much opinion, pro and con, expressed, but the proof will be in how he governs the Faith. It's too early to tell and I am determined not to pass judgment one way or the other until that is demonstrated. But so far I have not seen anything specific to raise any red flags in my head.

Well I should admit that I did have a small red flag come up when I read that Leo was the primary advisor to Francis re appointment of new bishops and translated that into him being a Francis repeat. But since then I have realized I was jumping the gun on judgment there and have determined to remain neutral until we have more experience. I do wish Leo well and that he will be a great and positive influence on the Church.

If he isn't 'woke' he'll probably be great.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

I hope you're right. I am seeing much opinion, pro and con, expressed, but the proof will be in how he governs the Faith. It's too early to tell and I am determined not to pass judgment one way or the other until that is demonstrated. But so far I have not seen anything specific to raise any red flags in my head.

Well I should admit that I did have a small red flag come up when I read that Leo was the primary advisor to Francis re appointment of new bishops and translated that into him being a Francis repeat. But since then I have realized I was jumping the gun on judgment there and have determined to remain neutral until we have more experience. I do wish Leo well and that he will be a great and positive influence on the Church.

If he isn't 'woke' he'll probably be great.

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He obviously has at heart the kind of Catholicism that I want -- just the blessing and chanting in Latin and wearing the traditional red Mozzetta and the pious incline of the head when he says or chants Jesu Christi -- very good signs.

I listen to a lot of Catholic analysts who are able to translate so many more subtleties than I can.

Thus far, he looks good.


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[Donald H]

Nobody but the 133 Cardinals authorized to vote for Pope have ANY say whatsoever in who will be Pope. None of the other 1.4+ BILLION Roman Catholics have any say whatsover. I don't want to do the math to determine what percentage of 1.4 billion that 133 is but it is such a tiny percentage of 1% that it is entirely indefensible and absurd to accuse all Catholics for who is Pope or what sort of person the Pope is.

The 1.4 billion were represented by the 133, who chose the Pope to represent them. As in all Republic/Democratic process, the 1.4 billion chose the Pope. He now represents the Catholic church and will make decisions in the same way that the Pope made decisions in Hitler's time

And until you can show you are a model of virtue and righteousness and infallible in your beliefs and opinions, you can look very foolish and mean spirited presuming to judge others as somehow more misinformed or unrighteous than you.

I'm not claiming to be more righteous but I'm definitely claiming to be more or better informed. The god and jesus are outdated fairy tales in my opinion. If you or others believe in it then you should at least have the courage and faith to believe your bible is literally true. OR Just admit it's mostly allegory, and then spin that to make the best of it.

Ibase my case on Christians not being able to make up their minds and become of one belief. Even stories such as Jonah and the big fish, are still being debated.

Get it together!

Or to assume that people are 'woke' by virtue that they are Catholic.

I make no such claim, but I can safely assume some are. Assuming I know what 'woke' is?

As for putting down 'wokeness', yes that is the purpose of this thread that you continue to ignore. Do I oppose 'wokeness' as the wrong headed and often evil influence that it is? Yep. You can pretty much count on me to do that.

And that's where you run into difficulties with the new Pope, who represents you and all Catholics. If you want a debate then you're going to have to be more specific on the meaning of 'woke'. To make it relevant you should refer to the examples offered up by the new Pope.

His acceptance of LGBTQ's comes to mind!

 

[Donald H]

I will never agree that the vast majority are anything other than honest, honorable people.

Honourable? That's subjective.

Honest? Which Catholics are honest? The ones who maintain their bibles are literally true, or the ones who are the majority and have taken the advice of their church to accept Darwinian evolution?

The latter can be included under the 'woke' label.

 

[Foxfyre]

Honourable? That's subjective.

Honest? Which Catholics are honest? The ones who maintain their bibles are literally true, or the ones who are the majority and have taken the advice of their church to accept Darwinian evolution?

The latter can be included under the 'woke' label.

Honorable are those trying to live their lives and their faith to the best of their ability, trying to be a positive influence in the world and do no harm.

Dishonorable would be, among other things, attempting to destroy or disparage the faith of those people, accuse them of what they are not guilty, presuming to be superior to them in behavior/intellect/values.

 

[Foxfyre]

The 1.4 billion were represented by the 133, who chose the Pope to represent them. As in all Republic/Democratic process, the 1.4 billion chose the Pope. He now represents the Catholic church and will make decisions in the same way that the Pope made decisions in Hitler's time

I'm not claiming to be more righteous but I'm definitely claiming to be more or better informed. The god and jesus are outdated fairy tales in my opinion. If you or others believe in it then you should at least have the courage and faith to believe your bible is literally true. OR Just admit it's mostly allegory, and then spin that to make the best of it.

Ibase my case on Christians not being able to make up their minds and become of one belief. Even stories such as Jonah and the big fish, are still being debated.

Get it together!

I make no such claim, but I can safely assume some are. Assuming I know what 'woke' is?

And that's where you run into difficulties with the new Pope, who represents you and all Catholics. If you want a debate then you're going to have to be more specific on the meaning of 'woke'. To make it relevant you should refer to the examples offered up by the new Pope.

His acceptance of LGBTQ's comes to mind!

The 1.4 billion had no say over who cardinals are any more than they had any say over who the pope is and cannot be held accountable for any of those. Christians of all stripes can accept LGBTQ without qualification. That has nothing to do with 'wokeness.' Objecting to a woke sociopolitical agenda, action, privilege of LGBTQ is an entirely different thing altogether and, in my opinion, something all decent Americans, including Catholics, should do.

What some pope did 80+ years ago is irrelevant to the current pope or Catholics now. And your arguments plus questioning what woke is after arguing all these pages, your claim to be 'better informed' is seriously debatable.

And that you attempt to destroy the faith of believers seriously calls your ethics into question.

 

[Donald H]

Honorable are those trying to live their lives and their faith to the best of their ability, trying to be a positive influence in the world and do no harm.

Dishonorable would be, among other things, attempting to destroy or disparage the faith of those people, accuse them of what they are not guilty, presuming to be superior to them in behavior/intellect/values.

I'm objecting to their failure on the most important question there could possibly be on their beliefs. Evolution vs. creation!

Honest??

They can't be honest to themselves because they have to navigate through a book full of lies and contradictions.

Being 'woke' is in making a choice. That come even before answering to making the wrong choice and remaining dead to superstitious nonsense, instead of having the courage to be 'woke'

Do you believe your bible literally? Or have you awoken to the church's truth?

Or are you still trying to hide behind accusations of trolling?

 

[Donald H]

The 1.4 billion had no say over who cardinals are any more than they had any say over who the pope is and cannot be held accountable for any of those. Christians of all stripes can accept LGBTQ without qualification. That has nothing to do with 'wokeness.' Objecting to a woke sociopolitical agenda, action, privilege of LGBTQ is an entirely different thing altogether and, in my opinion, something all decent Americans, including Catholics, should do.

What some pope did 80+ years ago is irrelevant to the current pope or Catholics now. And your arguments plus questioning what woke is after arguing all these pages, your claim to be 'better informed' is seriously debatable.

And that you attempt to destroy the faith of believers seriously calls your ethics into question.

They can't claim the label 'believers' when they're divided about 50/50 on creation/evolution. Both halves consider themselves 'woke'. How can that be?