Debate Now The Absurdity of 'Woke'

[Crepitus]

Maybe it isn't but you should be able to explain why DEI is a good thing, yes? Why CRT is a good thing, yes? Why open borders is a good thing, yes? Why lawfare is a good thing, yes? You should be able to give a good clear description of what 'woke' is and why it should be what our American culture should be, yes?

DEI has been explained to you over and over again.

The rest of the crap you are bringing up is not real, it is simply imaginary crap to keep the low information base riled up.

And it works, too.

 

[MisterBeale]

"Woke " is now a republican word for an imaginary thing they are using to whip you gullible low intelligence types into a frenzy so they can fleece you and everyone else.

No it isn't.

Woke is based on post-modern philosophy and critical theory. It is a denial of basic empiricism that does not support the internal narratives of the ruling classes attempts to manipulate society.

I remember when I first was educated into the goals of post-modern thought and critical theory at Uni. The fact that it ran counter to Enlightenment and modern philosophy which is based on what EVERYONE perceives as reality. . . was a bit much to accept for someone grounded in logic. This philosophy outwardly rejects logic and empiricism to promote a fantasy.


. . . it justifies this, in the name of promoting liberty and equity for people who have been marginalized.

But see. . here's the thing, that is just reality. Post-modernists don't care for reality much.

Postmodernism | Definition, Doctrines, & Facts | Britannica

Postmodernism, in contemporary Western philosophy, a late 20th-century movement characterized by broad skepticism, subjectivism, or relativism; a general suspicion of reason; and an acute sensitivity to the role of ideology in asserting and maintaining political and economic power.

www.britannica.com

"Theory and Wokeism​

Deconstructing Wokeness​

"Few phenomena have sparked as much debate and division in the labyrinthine corridors of contemporary social discourse as the emergence of Critical Theory and Wokeism (aka Social Justice Movements). These ideologies, increasingly influential in academia, politics, and popular culture, are often associated with the fight against social injustice and inequality. However, to truly understand their origins and motivations, one must delve into the philosophical underpinnings of postmodernism, particularly the concepts of deconstruction and language control. Postmodernism, an intellectual movement that emerged in the mid-20th century, challenged modernism’s fundamental assumptions, emphasising rationality, objectivity, and progress. Postmodern thinkers, such as Jacques Derrida, Michel Foucault, and Jean-François Lyotard, sought to deconstruct the grand narratives of the past and question the very nature of truth, knowledge, and power. This article explores how these postmodern ideas have shaped and influenced the development of Critical Theory and Wokeism, ultimately serving as the framework behind these ideologies."

The Postmodern Turn​

"Postmodernism emerged as a philosophical movement in the mid-20th century. It challenged modernism’s core assumptions, emphasising rationality, objectivity, and progress. Key postmodern thinkers like Jacques Derrida, Michel Foucault, and Jean-François Lyotard sought to deconstruct the grand narratives of the past and question the nature of truth, knowledge, and power. Postmodernism introduced a critical lens through which to examine the established norms and values that had long been accepted without question. . . . "

Postmodern Roots of Critical Theory

Uncover the philosophical foundations of critical theory and its relationship to postmodernism. Learn about deconstruction & language control

poliright.com

A Brief History of the Ideas behind Wokeism – The Lutheran Witness

Wokeism is not a new philosophy, but has roots in the thinking of early 20th century Marxists, postmodernists, and academicians.

witness.lcms.org

Post modern philosophy, like the social justice movements that came from them, are internally inconsistent, illogical and self-defeating. They aren't meant to make sense, they are there to tear down society and control the masses.

Stephen Hicks: Why Postmodernists don’t see their own Contradictions?​

Mar 25, 2020

 

[Auld Phart]

YOu were one of the people I was referring to.

of course you were.

I have more than half a brain

can't say the same for you.

 

[MisterBeale]

DEI has been explained to you over and over again.

The rest of the crap you are bringing up is not real, it is simply imaginary crap to keep the low information base riled up.

And it works, too.

Wow.

You really don't know anything about this topic, do you?

The whole point of post-modernism is to make the claim that NOTHING IS REAL, but the thoughts we think.

 

[Crepitus]

No it isn't.

Yes, it is. Your leaders co-opted it and made it something it never was, to keep you kids frothing at the mouth.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Not to imply you are a dummy, but this is a good starting place.

Woke is based on radical left racial stereotyping.

 

[Crepitus]

Woke is based on radical left racial stereotyping.

It's made up crap from the right.

 

[Darkwind]

Woke is based on radical left racial stereotyping.

It is, in fact, part and parcel of their march into the institutions.

It merges modern intersectionality with the oppressed/oppressor concept in which post-modern Marxism ties it into Critical Theory.

They need the intersectionality to put everyone into a box of their labeling and then use that to pit one group against another.

In essence, they are calling everything racist until they own the concept and then use it to achieve power in our institutions.

 

[Foxfyre]

DEI has been explained to you over and over again.

The rest of the crap you are bringing up is not real, it is simply imaginary crap to keep the low information base riled up.

And it works, too.

Noted as usual you refuse, most likely are unable to defend your argument re 'woke', DEI or whatever. But do have a pleasant day.

 

[Foxfyre]

It is, in fact, part and parcel of their march into the institutions.

It merges modern intersectionality with the oppressed/oppressor concept in which post-modern Marxism ties it into Critical Theory.

They need the intersectionality to put everyone into a box of their labeling and then use that to pit one group against another.

In essence, they are calling everything racist until they own the concept and then use it to achieve power in our institutions.

Probably the majority of USMB members will have to look up at least one or more of those concepts or word definitions, but right on!!!

 

[Foxfyre]

It's made up crap from the right.

'Made up crap' that as yet you have not been able to describe a single thing as to why it was 'made up.' You probably don't know this but intelligent people are able to articulate or post evidence for their arguments. Really clueless stupid people just make baseless vague statements that they cannot defend with any credible argument.

 

[MisterBeale]

All these posts are saying is that the right wants to force all of America to practice the gospel of white supremacy.

Honestly IM2? Ever since the civil rights folks made common cause with the post-modernists? It has done more harm to their goals, than it has helped, IMO.

It is comments like these, that make more folks unfriendly to what you want to attempt to do on this site.




See. . . you have now just characterized reason and logic as, "white supremacy."

"1. There is an objective natural reality, a reality whose existence and properties are logically independent of human beings—of their minds, their societies, their social practices, or their investigative techniques. Postmodernists dismiss this idea as a kind of naive realism. Such reality as there is, according to postmodernists, is a conceptual construct, an artifact of scientific practice and language. This point also applies to the investigation of past events by historians and to the description of social institutions, structures, or practices by social scientists.

2. The descriptive and explanatory statements of scientists and historians can, in principle, be objectively true or false. The postmodern denial of this viewpoint—which follows from the rejection of an objective natural reality—is sometimes expressed by saying that there is no such thing as Truth.

3. Through the use of reason and logic, and with the more specialized tools provided by science and technology, human beings are likely to change themselves and their societies for the better. It is reasonable to expect that future societies will be more humane, more just, more enlightened, and more prosperous than they are now. Postmodernists deny this Enlightenment faith in science and technology as instruments of human progress. Indeed, many postmodernists hold that the misguided (or unguided) pursuit of scientific and technological knowledge led to the development of technologies for killing on a massive scale in World War II. Some go so far as to say that science and technology—and even reason and logic—are inherently destructive and oppressive, because they have been used by evil people, especially during the 20th century, to destroy and oppress others.

4. Reason and logic are universally valid—i.e., their laws are the same for, or apply equally to, any thinker and any domain of knowledge. For postmodernists, reason and logic too are merely conceptual constructs and are therefore valid only within the established intellectual traditions in which they are used. . . "

Postmodernism | Definition, Doctrines, & Facts | Britannica

Postmodernism, in contemporary Western philosophy, a late 20th-century movement characterized by broad skepticism, subjectivism, or relativism; a general suspicion of reason; and an acute sensitivity to the role of ideology in asserting and maintaining political and economic power.

www.britannica.com

 

[MisterBeale]

DEI is not the assault on white people you weirdos are convinced it is.

This may be true, but it sure as hell isn't based on the merit system, which is a philosophical outgrowth of the Enlightenment philosophy that this nation was founded on.

IOW? A person's social identity is more important than what they can do in the free market economic system.

 

[Foxfyre]

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Well said.

My step-daughter, half Japanese and half Caucasian, was one of these professional perennial victims. My husband just laughed at her for this.


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I don't know if this is appropriate here, but Daniel Nainan is one of my favorite people who can put things into perfect perspective by using humor. His relatively short monologue here illustrates how beautiful it is when we can acknowledge and celebrate our differences without claiming victimhood because we are different. When we could joke about and have fun with the stereotypes. The exact opposite of what most 'wokeness' is. Daniel's father was Indian (from India) and his mother Japanese.

Enjoy:

 

[Foxfyre]

All these posts are saying is that the right wants to force all of America to practice the gospel of white supremacy.

Give me an example of a post that says that.

 

[MisterBeale]

Yes, it is. Your leaders co-opted it and made it something it never was, to keep you kids frothing at the mouth.

This is the age of the internet.

Anytime anyone wants, they can look up the facts and truth.

. . . however, I know facts and truth are to those pushing post-modernist ideology, as sunshine is to a vampire.

 

[sparky]

What part of 'wokeness' is imaginary? Please be specific.

Seeing things that quite frankly are not reality

~S~

 

[Foxfyre]

Seeing things that quite frankly are not reality

~S~

Give me an example my friend. What have I described as 'wokeness' that is not reality?

 

[sparky]

Give me an example my friend. What have I described as 'wokeness' that is not reality?

well, for starters snow white was white FF

but that's just the tip of the 'woke' iceberg

how many genders do these folks want us to acknowledge ?

~S~

 

[Foxfyre]

well, for starters snow white was white FF

but that's just the tip of the 'woke' iceberg

how many genders do these folks want us to acknowledge ?

~S~

As nearly as I can tell the number is unlimited. But I would like to return to biology that acknowledges only two genders. Those who feel like another gender are entitled to feel however they feel. But they are not entitled for us to recognize them as a man or woman if they are not. They are not entitled to have us fund mutilation of their bodies in their attempt to become a gender that they are not. And they are not entitled to have us adjust our cultural norms to accommodate their feelings.

In other words a sane society does not accommodate 'woke' in that form or any other.