The 600 lbs. gorilla in the room when it comes to Greenland

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Trump has suffered a lot of scrutiny over his interest in Greenland. The continual screams that Trump is Hitler pervade the media and within the DNC as he pursues the fledgling and largely unpopulated land mass. But Trump is no different than President Harry Truman offering Denmark a $100 million in gold to buy Greenland. Simply put, Greenland is a strategic area for a variety of reasons. Those reasons are that they are right next door to the US, making it an ideal outpost for enemy combatants if any were to arise. In fact, there was a fear was that Nazis could use Greenland as a steppingstone to America. The Germans had already established small meteorological bases on the island’s east coast and relayed information for battles in Europe. American troops eventually ousted them and established more than a dozen bases there with thousands of troops, landing strips and other military facilities. And there is the natural resources of Greenland that either the US exploits, or other world powers will exploit, world powers that may be adversarial to the US.


Trump is no different than previous Presidents who bought Alaska from Russia, and imagine if that deal had not been negotiated, with Russia later becoming the number one adversary of the US globally. And imagine Russia exploiting all their natural resources, with very little care about the environmental consequences like the US dutifully does.

And it is the very same reason that Trump did what he did in Venezuela, stopping the Chinese from taking most of their oil. Trump is simply the modern-day example of the Monroe Doctrine in action, which is to secure land and resources from hostile powers within the US sphere of geopolitical influence. It is also why JFK imposed a barricade around Cuba as Russia planted nukes on the island as well.

Call it imperialism, call it Nazism, call it whatever you wish. But China does the same damn thing as they prop up North Korea, as they don't want the US sphere of influence anywhere near their country for strategic reasons. And it is the same reason Putin took the Ukraine.

But Europe should be the last to cry about Trump's interest in Greenland, because Europe has allowed the US over the years to spend trillions and trillions of dollars on their military to keep Europe safe and free from Communist Russia, while they themselves spend their money on social programs instead of the endeavor to defend themselves. This has led to massive debt in the US, debt that Europe could care less about as they continue to insist that the US protects them internationally from despots, just like they begged Obama to take out Gaddafi for them. Europe loves the "free" socialistic military blanket of protection but want nothing to do with the US concern over the natural resources to do so and their concerns that adversaries may be able to plant themselves within the North American continent that could very well be deleterious to US power and survivability, nor do they care about the economic burden of providing such a defense at the expense of the lavish social programs Europe enjoys.

Besides, Orange Man bad.

You don't have to agree with the said world view, but to pretend Trump is this off the wall insane dictator in the US for the first time in US history, as he espouses and seeks to continue policy in the US that was created long before he was even born, is infantile

It's time to grow the hell up!!
 
Votto said:
Trump has suffered a lot of scrutiny over his interest in Greenland. The continual screams that Trump is Hitler pervade the media and within the DNC as he pursues the fledgling and largely unpopulated land mass. But Trump is no different than President Harry Truman offering Denmark a $100 million in gold to buy Greenland. Simply put, Greenland is a strategic area for a variety of reasons. Those reasons are that they are right next door to the US, making it an ideal outpost for enemy combatants if any were to arise. In fact, there was a fear was that Nazis could use Greenland as a steppingstone to America. The Germans had already established small meteorological bases on the island’s east coast and relayed information for battles in Europe. American troops eventually ousted them and established more than a dozen bases there with thousands of troops, landing strips and other military facilities. And there is the natural resources of Greenland that either the US exploits, or other world powers will exploit, world powers that may be adversarial to the US.


Trump is no different than previous Presidents who bought Alaska from Russia, and imagine if that deal had not been negotiated, with Russia later becoming the number one adversary of the US globally. And imagine Russia exploiting all their natural resources, with very little care about the environmental consequences like the US dutifully does.

And it is the very same reason that Trump did what he did in Venezuela, stopping the Chinese from taking most of their oil. Trump is simply the modern-day example of the Monroe Doctrine in action, which is to secure land and resources from hostile powers within the US sphere of geopolitical influence. It is also why JFK imposed a barricade around Cuba as Russia planted nukes on the island as well.

Call it imperialism, call it Nazism, call it whatever you wish. But China does the same damn thing as they prop up North Korea, as they don't want the US sphere of influence anywhere near their country for strategic reasons. And it is the same reason Putin took the Ukraine.

But Europe should be the last to cry about Trump's interest in Greenland, because Europe has allowed the US over the years to spend trillions and trillions of dollars on their military to keep Europe safe and free from Communist Russia, while they themselves spend their money on social programs instead of the endeavor to defend themselves. This has led to massive debt in the US, debt that Europe could care less about as they continue to insist that the US protects them internationally from despots, just like they begged Obama to take out Gaddafi for them. Europe loves the "free" socialistic military blanket of protection but want nothing to do with the US concern over the natural resources to do so and their concerns that adversaries may be able to plant themselves within the North American continent that could very well be deleterious to US power and survivability, nor do they care about the economic burden of providing such a defense at the expense of the lavish social programs Europe enjoys.

Besides, Orange Man bad.

You don't have to agree with the said world view, but to pretend Trump is this off the wall insane dictator in the US for the first time in US history, as he espouses and seeks to continue policy in the US that was created long before he was even born, is infantile

It's time to grow the hell up!!
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Great post! I personally think Greenland is one too many "balls in the air" but it is perfectly logical and as you say, something that has been attempted several times by previous Presidents and other countries. Greenland has obvious strategic importance and the citizens of Greenland are sitting ducks, completely defenseless. Like Denmark is going to protect them? LOL
 
Votto said:
Trump has suffered a lot of scrutiny over his interest in Greenland. The continual screams that Trump is Hitler pervade the media and within the DNC as he pursues the fledgling and largely unpopulated land mass. But Trump is no different than President Harry Truman offering Denmark a $100 million in gold to buy Greenland. Simply put, Greenland is a strategic area for a variety of reasons. Those reasons are that they are right next door to the US, making it an ideal outpost for enemy combatants if any were to arise. In fact, there was a fear was that Nazis could use Greenland as a steppingstone to America. The Germans had already established small meteorological bases on the island’s east coast and relayed information for battles in Europe. American troops eventually ousted them and established more than a dozen bases there with thousands of troops, landing strips and other military facilities. And there is the natural resources of Greenland that either the US exploits, or other world powers will exploit, world powers that may be adversarial to the US.


Trump is no different than previous Presidents who bought Alaska from Russia, and imagine if that deal had not been negotiated, with Russia later becoming the number one adversary of the US globally. And imagine Russia exploiting all their natural resources, with very little care about the environmental consequences like the US dutifully does.

And it is the very same reason that Trump did what he did in Venezuela, stopping the Chinese from taking most of their oil. Trump is simply the modern-day example of the Monroe Doctrine in action, which is to secure land and resources from hostile powers within the US sphere of geopolitical influence. It is also why JFK imposed a barricade around Cuba as Russia planted nukes on the island as well.

Call it imperialism, call it Nazism, call it whatever you wish. But China does the same damn thing as they prop up North Korea, as they don't want the US sphere of influence anywhere near their country for strategic reasons. And it is the same reason Putin took the Ukraine.

But Europe should be the last to cry about Trump's interest in Greenland, because Europe has allowed the US over the years to spend trillions and trillions of dollars on their military to keep Europe safe and free from Communist Russia, while they themselves spend their money on social programs instead of the endeavor to defend themselves. This has led to massive debt in the US, debt that Europe could care less about as they continue to insist that the US protects them internationally from despots, just like they begged Obama to take out Gaddafi for them. Europe loves the "free" socialistic military blanket of protection but want nothing to do with the US concern over the natural resources to do so and their concerns that adversaries may be able to plant themselves within the North American continent that could very well be deleterious to US power and survivability, nor do they care about the economic burden of providing such a defense at the expense of the lavish social programs Europe enjoys.

Besides, Orange Man bad.

You don't have to agree with the said world view, but to pretend Trump is this off the wall insane dictator in the US for the first time in US history, as he espouses and seeks to continue policy in the US that was created long before he was even born, is infantile

It's time to grow the hell up!!
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only problem I have with it is the people in his administration making noises about using military force to take it over.
 
Surprisingly the "Greenlanders" prefer non-alliance with anyone but Greenland

They have "Home Rule" independence from Denmark, so I heard.

I'm sure Trump has Marco and Suzie to give him good advice...if he takes it.
 
Votto said:
Trump has suffered a lot of scrutiny over his interest in Greenland. The continual screams that Trump is Hitler pervade the media and within the DNC as he pursues the fledgling and largely unpopulated land mass. But Trump is no different than President Harry Truman offering Denmark a $100 million in gold to buy Greenland. Simply put, Greenland is a strategic area for a variety of reasons. Those reasons are that they are right next door to the US, making it an ideal outpost for enemy combatants if any were to arise. In fact, there was a fear was that Nazis could use Greenland as a steppingstone to America. The Germans had already established small meteorological bases on the island’s east coast and relayed information for battles in Europe. American troops eventually ousted them and established more than a dozen bases there with thousands of troops, landing strips and other military facilities. And there is the natural resources of Greenland that either the US exploits, or other world powers will exploit, world powers that may be adversarial to the US.


Trump is no different than previous Presidents who bought Alaska from Russia, and imagine if that deal had not been negotiated, with Russia later becoming the number one adversary of the US globally. And imagine Russia exploiting all their natural resources, with very little care about the environmental consequences like the US dutifully does.

And it is the very same reason that Trump did what he did in Venezuela, stopping the Chinese from taking most of their oil. Trump is simply the modern-day example of the Monroe Doctrine in action, which is to secure land and resources from hostile powers within the US sphere of geopolitical influence. It is also why JFK imposed a barricade around Cuba as Russia planted nukes on the island as well.

Call it imperialism, call it Nazism, call it whatever you wish. But China does the same damn thing as they prop up North Korea, as they don't want the US sphere of influence anywhere near their country for strategic reasons. And it is the same reason Putin took the Ukraine.

But Europe should be the last to cry about Trump's interest in Greenland, because Europe has allowed the US over the years to spend trillions and trillions of dollars on their military to keep Europe safe and free from Communist Russia, while they themselves spend their money on social programs instead of the endeavor to defend themselves. This has led to massive debt in the US, debt that Europe could care less about as they continue to insist that the US protects them internationally from despots, just like they begged Obama to take out Gaddafi for them. Europe loves the "free" socialistic military blanket of protection but want nothing to do with the US concern over the natural resources to do so and their concerns that adversaries may be able to plant themselves within the North American continent that could very well be deleterious to US power and survivability, nor do they care about the economic burden of providing such a defense at the expense of the lavish social programs Europe enjoys.

Besides, Orange Man bad.

You don't have to agree with the said world view, but to pretend Trump is this off the wall insane dictator in the US for the first time in US history, as he espouses and seeks to continue policy in the US that was created long before he was even born, is infantile

It's time to grow the hell up!!
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If you close your eyes you can forget that: we’re $38T in debt and adding $1.8T this year, we have trillions in NGO fraud.

But Venezuela, Greenland, maybe Bibi ordered Trump to hit Iran again

Trumps great at negotiating with his creditors, maybe trade CA to China in exchange for $900B?
 
Votto said:
Trump has suffered a lot of scrutiny over his interest in Greenland. The continual screams that Trump is Hitler pervade the media and within the DNC as he pursues the fledgling and largely unpopulated land mass. But Trump is no different than President Harry Truman offering Denmark a $100 million in gold to buy Greenland. Simply put, Greenland is a strategic area for a variety of reasons. Those reasons are that they are right next door to the US, making it an ideal outpost for enemy combatants if any were to arise. In fact, there was a fear was that Nazis could use Greenland as a steppingstone to America. The Germans had already established small meteorological bases on the island’s east coast and relayed information for battles in Europe. American troops eventually ousted them and established more than a dozen bases there with thousands of troops, landing strips and other military facilities. And there is the natural resources of Greenland that either the US exploits, or other world powers will exploit, world powers that may be adversarial to the US.


Trump is no different than previous Presidents who bought Alaska from Russia, and imagine if that deal had not been negotiated, with Russia later becoming the number one adversary of the US globally. And imagine Russia exploiting all their natural resources, with very little care about the environmental consequences like the US dutifully does.

And it is the very same reason that Trump did what he did in Venezuela, stopping the Chinese from taking most of their oil. Trump is simply the modern-day example of the Monroe Doctrine in action, which is to secure land and resources from hostile powers within the US sphere of geopolitical influence. It is also why JFK imposed a barricade around Cuba as Russia planted nukes on the island as well.

Call it imperialism, call it Nazism, call it whatever you wish. But China does the same damn thing as they prop up North Korea, as they don't want the US sphere of influence anywhere near their country for strategic reasons. And it is the same reason Putin took the Ukraine.

But Europe should be the last to cry about Trump's interest in Greenland, because Europe has allowed the US over the years to spend trillions and trillions of dollars on their military to keep Europe safe and free from Communist Russia, while they themselves spend their money on social programs instead of the endeavor to defend themselves. This has led to massive debt in the US, debt that Europe could care less about as they continue to insist that the US protects them internationally from despots, just like they begged Obama to take out Gaddafi for them. Europe loves the "free" socialistic military blanket of protection but want nothing to do with the US concern over the natural resources to do so and their concerns that adversaries may be able to plant themselves within the North American continent that could very well be deleterious to US power and survivability, nor do they care about the economic burden of providing such a defense at the expense of the lavish social programs Europe enjoys.

Besides, Orange Man bad.

You don't have to agree with the said world view, but to pretend Trump is this off the wall insane dictator in the US for the first time in US history, as he espouses and seeks to continue policy in the US that was created long before he was even born, is infantile

It's time to grow the hell up!!
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Do we even have $100MM in gold in Fort Knox?
 
Votto said:
Trump has suffered a lot of scrutiny over his interest in Greenland. The continual screams that Trump is Hitler pervade the media and within the DNC as he pursues the fledgling and largely unpopulated land mass. But Trump is no different than President Harry Truman offering Denmark a $100 million in gold to buy Greenland. Simply put, Greenland is a strategic area for a variety of reasons. Those reasons are that they are right next door to the US, making it an ideal outpost for enemy combatants if any were to arise. In fact, there was a fear was that Nazis could use Greenland as a steppingstone to America. The Germans had already established small meteorological bases on the island’s east coast and relayed information for battles in Europe. American troops eventually ousted them and established more than a dozen bases there with thousands of troops, landing strips and other military facilities. And there is the natural resources of Greenland that either the US exploits, or other world powers will exploit, world powers that may be adversarial to the US.


Trump is no different than previous Presidents who bought Alaska from Russia, and imagine if that deal had not been negotiated, with Russia later becoming the number one adversary of the US globally. And imagine Russia exploiting all their natural resources, with very little care about the environmental consequences like the US dutifully does.

And it is the very same reason that Trump did what he did in Venezuela, stopping the Chinese from taking most of their oil. Trump is simply the modern-day example of the Monroe Doctrine in action, which is to secure land and resources from hostile powers within the US sphere of geopolitical influence. It is also why JFK imposed a barricade around Cuba as Russia planted nukes on the island as well.

Call it imperialism, call it Nazism, call it whatever you wish. But China does the same damn thing as they prop up North Korea, as they don't want the US sphere of influence anywhere near their country for strategic reasons. And it is the same reason Putin took the Ukraine.

But Europe should be the last to cry about Trump's interest in Greenland, because Europe has allowed the US over the years to spend trillions and trillions of dollars on their military to keep Europe safe and free from Communist Russia, while they themselves spend their money on social programs instead of the endeavor to defend themselves. This has led to massive debt in the US, debt that Europe could care less about as they continue to insist that the US protects them internationally from despots, just like they begged Obama to take out Gaddafi for them. Europe loves the "free" socialistic military blanket of protection but want nothing to do with the US concern over the natural resources to do so and their concerns that adversaries may be able to plant themselves within the North American continent that could very well be deleterious to US power and survivability, nor do they care about the economic burden of providing such a defense at the expense of the lavish social programs Europe enjoys.

Besides, Orange Man bad.

You don't have to agree with the said world view, but to pretend Trump is this off the wall insane dictator in the US for the first time in US history, as he espouses and seeks to continue policy in the US that was created long before he was even born, is infantile

It's time to grow the hell up!!
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I researched Trump, clear back to his childhood, cuz' I so desperately wanted him to be who he claimed to be & have done, when he first ran for the Republican Ticket.

What I Learned about Trump Shocked & Deeply Angered me, because he utterly lied, about most of his accomplishments, as well as his "Christian Beliefs" . Trump is a Highly Experienced, Horribly Narcisstic, Professional Con-man, LIar, Whore-monger, & much more. So, as a Strong Conservative, I refused to Vote for Trump. What harm, I expected Trump to do to America when he was 1st POTUS, he far exceeded that his first time, & now, he is showing that he has No Restraints.

No Trump is not "Hitler", but his disregard for America's Constitution, Heritage, as well as Federal, & State Laws, does have some comparison to what Hitler did as he rose to power.

Offering to buy Greenland, even offer it Statehood is one thing,.. Threatening Greenland with Military Force if it refuses Trump's offers, is Satanically Inspired Bullshit. Trump is going to end up enraging what few Allies America truly has, & when the time comes that America truly needs them,... They'll either remain Neutral, or possibly join with Our Enemies. Keep in mind DE Gaulle kicked America out of France when JFK refused to invade Cuba.

America, already has bases in Greenland, & Military Ties with Greenland/Denmark could be strengthened if Common Sense, Intelligence, & Respect for an Existing Ally were employed, but,..... With Trump, that would be a Miracle worthy of the Catholic Church's Attention if that were to happen.

And, as far as Greemland's Natural Resources,,... They belong to Greenland!

Trump, & The Republican Party needs to Offer to Develop, & then Buy them, Trade something for them but,.... When Military Force is Hinted at/Threatened,....... Then that "Hitler Thingy" pops up again!

"And it is the very same reason that Trump did what he did in Venezuela, stopping the Chinese from taking most of their oil."

Soooo,.... It was All about the Oil, not being taken by the Chinese then. I admit, I've been somewhat puzzled how Venezuelan "Narco-terrorists" managed to get their boats out into the Eastern Pacific when Venezuela has No Coastline with the Pacific Ocean, but that was only One Objection that I had about this ongoing, & escalating Madness. Since America's Coastguard under the TRump Admin., appearred to be incapable of stoppinbg Drug Runners in Our Waters,..... Why didn't Trump deploy American Forces to Assist them? That way, if the Alleged Drug Boats opened fire on Our Forces, In Our Waters, then America would have every right to destroy those boats! And, if they just surrenedered,.... Trump would've been able to "Make Points" with "Th' Sheeple", by showing the seized drugs, & "Narco-terrorists" on American Media.

But Blowing up alleged Drug Boats, in International Waters, with No Evidence presented to America, nor the World, strongly resembles what caused the "War of 1812", with England, and again,..... that "Hitler Thingy".

So now it's "Stopping China from getting the Oil"?!?

Isn't that Interfering in another Nation's Business? Matter of fact,.... By Seizing Maduro, & now stating that America will be running Venezuela, isn't that also "Regime Change", that Trump once promised to stop?!?
"the same reason Putin took the Ukraine."

When Trump stated "I Can End the War in One Day",... I Applauded him! I Thought FINALLY Trump is going to become a True Conservative American President, and End a War that Obama, McCain, Graham, their Political Allies, as well as their Foreign Allies started. But, that was just another Lie told by Trump!
"Europe has allowed the US over the years to spend trillions and trillions of dollars on their military to keep Europe safe and free from Communist Russia, while they themselves spend their money on social programs instead of the endeavor to defend themselves. This has led to massive debt in the US, debt that Europe could care less about as they continue to insist that the US protects them"

I'd like to see the Data on that Votto,..... I was under the impression that Europe bought the Weapons from America.
But, I do agree, Europe has been more concerned about Socialism, & Welcoming in the Muslims, that jointly working with America towards a European Defense.

"Besides, Orange Man bad."............. I Absolutely Agree, and I'll add to that, the Vast majority of Republicans', as well as the Democrats,
"but to pretend Trump is this off the wall insane dictator"

He's heading that way, unless he realizes the Error of His Ways, or His Party stands up to him.

Commonsense, Our Laws, Our Heritage , & A Belief in The Almighty LORD GOD, must Return, & Prevail, otherwise, we're heading down a path that either the Republicans, or the Democrats could use to Destroy America.
 
TruthSeeker112125 said:
I researched Trump, clear back to his childhood, cuz' I so desperately wanted him to be who he claimed to be & have done, when he first ran for the Republican Ticket.

What I Learned about Trump Shocked & Deeply Angered me, because he utterly lied, about most of his accomplishments, as well as his "Christian Beliefs" . Trump is a Highly Experienced, Horribly Narcisstic, Professional Con-man, LIar, Whore-monger, & much more. So, as a Strong Conservative, I refused to Vote for Trump. What harm, I expected Trump to do to America when he was 1st POTUS, he far exceeded that his first time, & now, he is showing that he has No Restraints.

No Trump is not "Hitler", but his disregard for America's Constitution, Heritage, as well as Federal, & State Laws, does have some comparison to what Hitler did as he rose to power.

Offering to buy Greenland, even offer it Statehood is one thing,.. Threatening Greenland with Military Force if it refuses Trump's offers, is Satanically Inspired Bullshit. Trump is going to end up enraging what few Allies America truly has, & when the time comes that America truly needs them,... They'll either remain Neutral, or possibly join with Our Enemies. Keep in mind DE Gaulle kicked America out of France when JFK refused to invade Cuba.

America, already has bases in Greenland, & Military Ties with Greenland/Denmark could be strengthened if Common Sense, Intelligence, & Respect for an Existing Ally were employed, but,..... With Trump, that would be a Miracle worthy of the Catholic Church's Attention if that were to happen.

And, as far as Greemland's Natural Resources,,... They belong to Greenland!

Trump, & The Republican Party needs to Offer to Develop, & then Buy them, Trade something for them but,.... When Military Force is Hinted at/Threatened,....... Then that "Hitler Thingy" pops up again!

"And it is the very same reason that Trump did what he did in Venezuela, stopping the Chinese from taking most of their oil."

Soooo,.... It was All about the Oil, not being taken by the Chinese then. I admit, I've been somewhat puzzled how Venezuelan "Narco-terrorists" managed to get their boats out into the Eastern Pacific when Venezuela has No Coastline with the Pacific Ocean, but that was only One Objection that I had about this ongoing, & escalating Madness. Since America's Coastguard under the TRump Admin., appearred to be incapable of stoppinbg Drug Runners in Our Waters,..... Why didn't Trump deploy American Forces to Assist them? That way, if the Alleged Drug Boats opened fire on Our Forces, In Our Waters, then America would have every right to destroy those boats! And, if they just surrenedered,.... Trump would've been able to "Make Points" with "Th' Sheeple", by showing the seized drugs, & "Narco-terrorists" on American Media.

But Blowing up alleged Drug Boats, in International Waters, with No Evidence presented to America, nor the World, strongly resembles what caused the "War of 1812", with England, and again,..... that "Hitler Thingy".

So now it's "Stopping China from getting the Oil"?!?

Isn't that Interfering in another Nation's Business? Matter of fact,.... By Seizing Maduro, & now stating that America will be running Venezuela, isn't that also "Regime Change", that Trump once promised to stop?!?
"the same reason Putin took the Ukraine."

When Trump stated "I Can End the War in One Day",... I Applauded him! I Thought FINALLY Trump is going to become a True Conservative American President, and End a War that Obama, McCain, Graham, their Political Allies, as well as their Foreign Allies started. But, that was just another Lie told by Trump!
"Europe has allowed the US over the years to spend trillions and trillions of dollars on their military to keep Europe safe and free from Communist Russia, while they themselves spend their money on social programs instead of the endeavor to defend themselves. This has led to massive debt in the US, debt that Europe could care less about as they continue to insist that the US protects them"

I'd like to see the Data on that Votto,..... I was under the impression that Europe bought the Weapons from America.
But, I do agree, Europe has been more concerned about Socialism, & Welcoming in the Muslims, that jointly working with America towards a European Defense.

"Besides, Orange Man bad."............. I Absolutely Agree, and I'll add to that, the Vast majority of Republicans', as well as the Democrats,
"but to pretend Trump is this off the wall insane dictator"

He's heading that way, unless he realizes the Error of His Ways, or His Party stands up to him.

Commonsense, Our Laws, Our Heritage , & A Belief in The Almighty LORD GOD, must Return, & Prevail, otherwise, we're heading down a path that either the Republicans, or the Democrats could use to Destroy America.
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Like you, I don't believe Trump to be a Christian. Trump once was asked if he had asked for forgiveness from God for anything, at which point he looked puzzled and said no, that he had done in life what he thought he ought to have done. Well, that's not Christianity. But to think that Joe Biden is a Christian is even more laughable, a man who embraced abortion in it's fullest infanticidal entirety, and wanted taxpayers to pay for it. A man who has Hunter Biden as a son, and all the corruption that surrounded it. So, as a voter, you have to ask, which is worse? As bad as Trump may be, the DNC makes him look almost saintly, as they attempted to assassinate Trump twice, and after than spent every waking hour with lawfare to destroy him. And Trump could have done all the pardons Biden put out to protect himself, as he was mindful upon leaving office of their threats to try to put him away legally, but he restrained himself and decided to go through the legal process to clear his name, which he did. But the kicker was calling him Hitler repeatedly, so that dutiful loons would show up to Bonhoffer Trump so that they too would be international hero's for murdering him, as 1/3 of democrats polled said they wished he had died.

And judging from the two men and two parties, Trump is simply the lesser of the two evils, along with the fact that the media and DNC covered for Biden having dementia, that is, until the Presidential debate when they could no longer hide the truth, putting the country at risk the entire time as they were leaderless.

As for disregarding the Constitution, this has routinely been done with no one saying a word about it, like FDR locking up Japanese Americans to were innocent. Their only crime was that they had squinty eyes and similar DNA as the Japanese whom he was fighting. No one in academia suggests that it was Constitutional, and admit it was totally racist, yet they continue to refer to him as one of the greatest US Presidents of all time, and I bet you agree, don't you. But no one is more of a threat to the Constitution as the DNC is, as they threaten to repeal both the First and Second Amendments. And to do it, they threaten to pack the courts like FDR suggested. Here is a fun fact, FDR's own party was horrified at his court packing scheme and rejected it as unconstitutional. They were so horrified of King FDR who would not leave office after his second term, his own party championed a Constitutional amendment to stop any President from having to serve two terms, due to concerns regarding the corruption that inevitable follows. Yet, Trump has not come close to do any of those things, yet is treated like dirt as the worst President of all time. Stop listening to the Left wing propaganda and think for yourself here. So, in your opinion how has Trump violated the Constitution? And how has the DNC not been worse? I mean, the DNC took away our right to assemble, the right to go to church, the right to refuse a vaccine that was killing people with zero compensation, the right to keep your business runnig, and if it folded due to the imposed closure, you got no compensation, and the right to discuss anything negative about the vaccine or how government was handling it on places like Twitter, as they took away your freedom of speech. Again, Trump has not come close to doing any of those things. Think of it, they shut down all social media and censored Trump when he ran against Biden and lost by shutting him down on places like Twitter. Imagine, a sitting President unable to speak directly to the American people as he was running for office, and on places like Twitter, they refused to talk about the Hunter Biden laptop scandal, as Biden threatened the media if they did not censor it, insisting it was all Russian disinformation, which ended up being the opposite. And after the election, about 20% of voters polled said that they said had they known about the Hunter Biden laptop scandal, they would not have voted for Biden, thus showing that Biden and the DNC helped rig an election.

As for the boats, you can believe if you want that Venezuelan high-speed boats speeding across the Gulf at 3 am in the morning were all out just fishing if you like, but no one disputes that fact that Maduro was a Narco terrorist, costing God only knows how many American lives. And with the US judicial system being soft on drug dealers, with prison basically being a revolving door, to let the DNC let them back onto the streets is something we have seen too much of as over a hundred thousand Americans a year die from those drugs, again, and indisputable fact. So, what terrorist kills as many Americans a year? None that I know of, yet the US has routinely gone after "terrorists" all across the world with drones without giving them a day in court. In fact, Obama did this to an American citizen overseas, yet the media and yourself were either completely ignorant of it, or had no problem with it, which is why you think Trump is sooooo much worse and Hitler like and Obama was nothing more than a saint, taking out dictators in Libya who just happened to treat his people better than any other nation in Africa, as he shared his oil revenue, unlike Maduro.

So, what is the alternative? Is the alternative to let the drug cartels to continue to ravage the American people, and pretending that the hundreds of thousands that die from them every year are not really terrorists? Is the alternative to allow China and Russia invade US interests with impunity in their own hemisphere of influence? In other words, is the alternative to return power to the DNC? I don't see how that is a valid alternative.

Try again.
 
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CrusaderFrank said:
If you close your eyes you can forget that: we’re $38T in debt and adding $1.8T this year, we have trillions in NGO fraud.

But Venezuela, Greenland, maybe Bibi ordered Trump to hit Iran again

Trumps great at negotiating with his creditors, maybe trade CA to China in exchange for $900B?
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I never claimed that Trump was a conservative, but what I do know is that he was almost assassinated twice. I do know that the corrupt American government attacked him with historic lawfare, the most in US history to a sitting President. I do know that he has helped expose the fraudulent nature of NGO's in general, something no other politician would dare do, and why they hate him and why 1/3 of democrats polled said they wished Trump had been assassinated.

So, you have to ask yourself, was it better electing Trump than dementia Joe or his side kick Kamala? I say things would have been much worse, especially since both are so damned clueless about pretty much everything, along with their corruption to try and hide the reasons for their incompetence, like Joe having obvious dementia.
 
Votto said:
Trump has suffered a lot of scrutiny over his interest in Greenland. The continual screams that Trump is Hitler pervade the media and within the DNC as he pursues the fledgling and largely unpopulated land mass. But Trump is no different than President Harry Truman offering Denmark a $100 million in gold to buy Greenland. Simply put, Greenland is a strategic area for a variety of reasons. Those reasons are that they are right next door to the US, making it an ideal outpost for enemy combatants if any were to arise. In fact, there was a fear was that Nazis could use Greenland as a steppingstone to America. The Germans had already established small meteorological bases on the island’s east coast and relayed information for battles in Europe. American troops eventually ousted them and established more than a dozen bases there with thousands of troops, landing strips and other military facilities. And there is the natural resources of Greenland that either the US exploits, or other world powers will exploit, world powers that may be adversarial to the US.


Trump is no different than previous Presidents who bought Alaska from Russia, and imagine if that deal had not been negotiated, with Russia later becoming the number one adversary of the US globally. And imagine Russia exploiting all their natural resources, with very little care about the environmental consequences like the US dutifully does.

And it is the very same reason that Trump did what he did in Venezuela, stopping the Chinese from taking most of their oil. Trump is simply the modern-day example of the Monroe Doctrine in action, which is to secure land and resources from hostile powers within the US sphere of geopolitical influence. It is also why JFK imposed a barricade around Cuba as Russia planted nukes on the island as well.

Call it imperialism, call it Nazism, call it whatever you wish. But China does the same damn thing as they prop up North Korea, as they don't want the US sphere of influence anywhere near their country for strategic reasons. And it is the same reason Putin took the Ukraine.

But Europe should be the last to cry about Trump's interest in Greenland, because Europe has allowed the US over the years to spend trillions and trillions of dollars on their military to keep Europe safe and free from Communist Russia, while they themselves spend their money on social programs instead of the endeavor to defend themselves. This has led to massive debt in the US, debt that Europe could care less about as they continue to insist that the US protects them internationally from despots, just like they begged Obama to take out Gaddafi for them. Europe loves the "free" socialistic military blanket of protection but want nothing to do with the US concern over the natural resources to do so and their concerns that adversaries may be able to plant themselves within the North American continent that could very well be deleterious to US power and survivability, nor do they care about the economic burden of providing such a defense at the expense of the lavish social programs Europe enjoys.

Besides, Orange Man bad.

You don't have to agree with the said world view, but to pretend Trump is this off the wall insane dictator in the US for the first time in US history, as he espouses and seeks to continue policy in the US that was created long before he was even born, is infantile

It's time to grow the hell up!!
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If Greenland decides they want to become a part of the US, then that is great, but any idea of a military takeover is just silly, and wrong.

If trump wants to make them a sweet deal and they approve, then I see no issue.
 
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