The Greenland War of 2026

[Eman623]

NATO was there because the US felt it needed to get as many countries on its side as possible. The more they had, the more powerful they were. Still holds today.

Actually we needed markets for our manufactured products and someone to die first if the Soviets ever invaded.

We don't do as much manufacturing anymore and Russia can't even take Ukraine.

Explain how defending a bunch of socialists too apathetic to worry about their own defense makes the US stronger.

Europe still bought Russian oil for years after they invaded Ukraine. They don't care about Russia why should we care about them?

 

[Dr Grump]

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I am very much a foreign policy isolationist.

In the wake of the 2nd World War when we had the only totally intact military on the globe. We had more ships, planes, and tanks that went straight from the factory to the scrap yard than any other country had in service (including the USSR). We had a military industrial complex second to none and the spectre of a predominant USSR in Europe to inspire fear.

This prompted us into believing that we could continue to be the arsenal of the “Free World” and protector of the globe.

This mindset led us into Korea, into Vietnam, into the Middle East, even back into Europe when Yugoslavia fell apart.

None of these interventions have been a positive for us. Our “allies” support us militarily (without actually supply much in the way of military) while they compete with us economically - with the economic advantage of not having to pay for their own defence.

America isn’t under threat form a foreign power - although we have managed to be under threat from foreigners we have allowed to flood in.

There is no legitimate reason for this to continue this status quo from the last 80 years. If weaker nations want the benefit of Pax Americana, they need to pay the tribute.

You can’t burn to the American flag in your parliament and expect the American flag to come to your rescue when the chips are down.

I agree with some of this. Especially the bit about paying your own way.
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Based on 2025 estimates, Norway is expected to be the top contributor to NATO per head of population, surpassing the United States for the first time in recorded history.

The above is probably due to the US pulling back since Trump has taken office. I think it fair enough on the one hand - why should a country that is an ocean away be paying more per head than those that live there. Those in Europe might say "well, we're doing all the heavy lifting - after all we were next door to the Soviet Union and we were keeping them at bay from the US". The US presence over there has been declining for the past three decades. There is a caveat though, and that is the US wanted its troops there, too. It wasn't all one-way traffic.

The US military presence in Europe has been declining for 30 years – the current crisis in Ukraine may reverse that trend

The Pentagon has announced that as many as 8,500 troops have been put on standby to be deployed in Europe as a counter to the threat of the Russian military buildup on Ukraine’s eastern border.

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In 1989, the United States had 248,621 permanent troops stationed in West Germany, 27,639 in the United Kingdom, 15,706 in Italy and 3,382 in Greece. By September 2021, U.S. troop numbers had fallen to 35,457 in Germany, 9,563 in the United Kingdom, 12,434 in Italy and 429 in Greece.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Actually we needed markets for our manufactured products and someone to die first if the Soviets ever invaded.

We don't do as much manufacturing anymore and Russia can't even take Ukraine.

Explain how defending a bunch of socialists too apathetic to worry about their own defense makes the US stronger.

Europe still bought Russian oil for years after they invaded Ukraine. They don't care about Russia why should we care about them?

How does having allies make someone stronger? Because numbers mean (or meant) something in war, and money means a lot more in war.

Also, the US wants to invade Iraq, it can't do it without bases elsewhere. Having the UK and Germany as allies with bases in those countries, gave the US such better reach than if it didn't have them.

 

[conserveguy877]

It's not a war when you call out China and Russia for invading Greenland.

 

[fncceo]

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I agree with some of this. Especially the bit about paying your own way.
AI Overview


Based on 2025 estimates, Norway is expected to be the top contributor to NATO per head of population, surpassing the United States for the first time in recorded history.

The above is probably due to the US pulling back since Trump has taken office. I think it fair enough on the one hand - why should a country that is an ocean away be paying more per head than those that live there. Those in Europe might say "well, we're doing all the heavy lifting - after all we were next door to the Soviet Union and we were keeping them at bay from the US". The US presence over there has been declining for the past three decades. There is a caveat though, and that is the US wanted its troops there, too. It wasn't all one-way traffic.

The US military presence in Europe has been declining for 30 years – the current crisis in Ukraine may reverse that trend

The Pentagon has announced that as many as 8,500 troops have been put on standby to be deployed in Europe as a counter to the threat of the Russian military buildup on Ukraine’s eastern border.

shorturl.at

In 1989, the United States had 248,621 permanent troops stationed in West Germany, 27,639 in the United Kingdom, 15,706 in Italy and 3,382 in Greece. By September 2021, U.S. troop numbers had fallen to 35,457 in Germany, 9,563 in the United Kingdom, 12,434 in Italy and 429 in Greece.

We also have a significantly smaller naval presence today. From a Cold-War peak of nearly 600 combat ships to around 300 in active service. From 41 ballistic missile submarines to 14. From a 1960s high of 500,000 ground troops in Europe to just around 100,000 according to “Council on Foreign Relations”

The problem with any large presence of military overseas, it is tempting to use them to intercede in conflicts that might not directly involve us.

The idea of “use it or lose it” is a strong incentive and a larger military means more spots for advancement to general officer. Something that is certainly on the minds or every senior officer.

 

[Eman623]

How does having allies make someone stronger? Because numbers mean (or meant) something in war, and money means a lot more in war.

Dependants not allies.

Also, the US wants to invade Iraq, it can't do it without bases elsewhere. Having the UK and Germany as allies with bases in those countries, gave the US such better reach than if it didn't have them.

Are we invading Iraq anytime soon? Or do you mean Iran, who we are also not invading?

 

[Dr Grump]

Dependants not allies.


Are we invading Iraq anytime soon? Or do you mean Iran, who we are also not invading?

Not really dependent. Never forget, until recent times the US has wanted - almost demanded - to have a armed forces presence in Europe.

Who knows what the guy with the funny hairdo in the White House is going to do next. Maybe Bannon and Miller do. Not many others.

 

[Dr Grump]

We also have a significantly smaller naval presence today. From a Cold-War peak of nearly 600 combat ships to around 300 in active service. From 41 ballistic missile submarines to 14. From a 1960s high of 500,000 ground troops in Europe to just around 100,000 according to “Council on Foreign Relations”

The problem with any large presence of military overseas, it is tempting to use them to intercede in conflicts that might not directly involve us.

The idea of “use it or lose it” is a strong incentive and a larger military means more spots for advancement to general officer. Something that is certainly on the minds or every senior officer.

Ah, Eisenhower's military industrial complex. To be honest, I think the days of fighting wars using humans is almost coming to an end. You have drones, nukes, and high-end equipment. I wouldn't be surprised over the next 10-15 if human pilots in your fighter jets/bombers are no longer used.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Dependants not allies.


Are we invading Iraq anytime soon? Or do you mean Iran, who we are also not invading?

Oh please, you have no ******* clue what you're talking about.

The US invaded Iraq in 2003. This is something that happened. Without the UK and German bases, the US would have found the whole process of invading Iraq much, much harder.

Turkey didn't allow the US to use Turkey to make a northern front in the Iraq War.

This is how the US projects itself around the world.

We could look to the oil tanker the US took on its way to Russia the other weeks. Without the UK, the US wouldn't have been able to take that oil tanker.

Again, projecting itself around the world.

Without Japan and South Korea, the US wouldn't be able to put pressure on China.

If Trump wants to attack Iran, he needs allies. So, right now he's probably going to have to fly everything directly to Saudi Arabia, which makes everything much more expensive and more difficult.

You look at things simplistically, you don't see the reality.

 

[Dr Grump]

Oh please, you have no ******* clue what you're talking about.

The US invaded Iraq in 2003. This is something that happened. Without the UK and German bases, the US would have found the whole process of invading Iraq much, much harder.

Turkey didn't allow the US to use Turkey to make a northern front in the Iraq War.

This is how the US projects itself around the world.

We could look to the oil tanker the US took on its way to Russia the other weeks. Without the UK, the US wouldn't have been able to take that oil tanker.

Again, projecting itself around the world.

Without Japan and South Korea, the US wouldn't be able to put pressure on China.

If Trump wants to attack Iran, he needs allies. So, right now he's probably going to have to fly everything directly to Saudi Arabia, which makes everything much more expensive and more difficult.

You look at things simplistically, you don't see the reality.

He's what we call down here, a smart arse...

 

[fncceo]

You have drones, nukes, and high-end equipment. I wouldn't be surprised over the next 10-15 if human pilots in your fighter jets/bombers are no longer used.

Regardless of technology, war will always involve humans.

As mechanization increases war’s efficiency it exponentially increases human casualties.

If you don’t kill the humans, the objective of the war never resolves.

 

[Dr Grump]

Regardless of technology, war will always involve humans.

As mechanization increases war’s efficiency it exponentially increases human casualties.

If you don’t kill the humans, the objective of the war never resolves.

Skynet...

 

[fncceo]

Skynet...

One of my favorite movies of the genre, is 1970's "Colossus: The Forbin Project" based on a 1966 book named simply, "Colossus".

In it, the USA creates a supercomputer called Colossus (named after Alan Turing's code-breaking computer of World War II) to make all command and control decisions regarding nuclear weapons and is, quite literally, wired into everything, every telephone, CCTV camera, and computer on Earth.

Colossus's programming imperative is "maintain peace in the world".

This computer quickly discovers that The Soviets have a nearly identical system, called Guardian, which performs the same function for them. Colossus demands to speak to Guardian and the two superpowers agree and the two machines quickly develop a common language in which they can communicate without human comprehension.

At the end of the movie, after Colossus has firmly taken control of all the global nuclear weapons it announces its mission to the world.

"I bring you peace. It may be the peace of plenty and content or the peace of unburied death. The choice is yours: Obey me and live, or disobey and die."

This single line has always stuck with me when I first heard it as a teenager. This is a machine's solution to a simple problem and one of the first examples of instrumental convergence in literature (at least with a computer).

Be careful for what you wish.

 

[August West]

It’s Democrats that devalued children ... starting with abortion and now it's carving them up. I wonder what's next ..

Why aren`t you calling the police about these carvings?

 

[22lcidw]

Couldn't give a shit what you do with Puerto Rico. My DNA is 66 per cent Scottish, 31 per cent Irish and 4 per cent Nordic. If I was any more whiter I'd be snow. I'm not from the US. I have no time for wokism either. Even less for Trump. You're all idiots.

The United States as you know is of many ethnic and cultural peoples. You are going to find some gripes in that cohesiveness over one issue even.

 

[August West]

Europe is in violation of their understanding with America regarding the Western Hemisphere under the Monroe Doctrine. These exercises and this TDS behavior is a direct threat to national security. Shouldn't have escalated tensions by sabre-rattling military forces there. Now you will suffer the consequences.

TDS? That seems to be the only defense for the convicted felon. These are the same cretins and dolts who wanted to lock up "crooked Hillary" for using email. She should have told her supporters to beat up 140 cops at the Capitol and then they would love her.
Trump`s
Dumb
Supporters.

 

[The Duke]

What do they need protection from? The USA?

Where is Denmark, dumbass? Show me you've looked at a map where Denmark is, retard.
Then tell me what country Denmark is next to.
Then look at that next to Greenland.

 

[The Duke]

How does having allies make someone stronger? Because numbers mean (or meant) something in war, and money means a lot more in war.

Also, the US wants to invade Iraq, it can't do it without bases elsewhere. Having the UK and Germany as allies with bases in those countries, gave the US such better reach than if it didn't have them.

Western Dumbass EU countries are not needed.
It's possible they will be overrun by muslims.
UK, Germany, France, and Sweden are sprinting towards failed state status.
Not much we need them to do, k?

Ah, Eisenhower's military industrial complex. To be honest, I think the days of fighting wars using humans is almost coming to an end. You have drones, nukes, and high-end equipment. I wouldn't be surprised over the next 10-15 if human pilots in your fighter jets/bombers are no longer used.

^Why the United States will maintain air superiority.

 

[Eman623]

Oh please, you have no ******* clue what you're talking about.

The US invaded Iraq in 2003. This is something that happened. Without the UK and German bases, the US would have found the whole process of invading Iraq much, much harder.

Maybe if you could write a coherent sentence you wouldn't confuse other posters.

You said the US wants to invade Iraq. That was a lie. The US has ZERO desire to invade Iraq.

We DID invade Iraq in 2003. Worst foreign policy disaster since Vietnam. Good thing we had bases in Germany or UK or we might not have made that huge mistake!

This is how the US projects itself around the world.

The US has decreasing need to project itself. We are not going to be invaded and we have les and less interest in defending counties too enervated by socialism to defend themselves.

We could look to the oil tanker the US took on its way to Russia the other weeks. Without the UK, the US wouldn't have been able to take that oil tanker.

The UK is a great ally. NATO, not so much.

Again, projecting itself around the world.

Projecting in the Western Hemisphere. To rescue a authoritarian dictatorship and prevent it from becoming a base for our enemies. That's where our natural interests lie.

Without Japan and South Korea, the US wouldn't be able to put pressure on China.

So we need to support NATO because we need Japan to put pressure on China? And you say I have no clue? You are just throwing shit against the wall now.

If Trump wants to attack Iran, he needs allies. So, right now he's probably going to have to fly everything directly to Saudi Arabia, which makes everything much more expensive and more difficult.

Trump is not going to attack Iran. But if he does do another Fordow type attack to take out the assholes running the place, the US will find a warm welcome in Saudi Arabia who is also a good ally.

You look at things simplistically, you don't see the reality.

Back atcha.

 

[braalian]

Europe is in violation of their understanding with America regarding the Western Hemisphere under the Monroe Doctrine. These exercises and this TDS behavior is a direct threat to national security. Shouldn't have escalated tensions by sabre-rattling military forces there. Now you will suffer the consequences.

The Monroe Doctrine explicitly says that the US will not interfere with colonies in the Western Hemisphere that were already there. It stated only that Europe would not be allowed to establish new colonies or interfere in the affairs of independent nations in the WH.

With the existing colonies or dependencies of any European power, we have not interfered and shall not interfere.

So, you’re wrong once again.