The 600 lbs. gorilla in the room when it comes to Greenland

[ThisIsMe]

I don’t think you understand that Greenland is a territory of the kingdom of Denmark.

The people of Greenland may or may not want to join the USA, but they are ultimately under the sovereignty of Denmark.

Denmark’s claim over Greenland is unimpeachable. In the 1951 Defense of Greenland Agreement with Denmark, the US unambiguously recognized ‘the sovereignty of the Kingdom of Denmark’ over Greenland.

So it would have to be up to both. Greenland is mainly autonomous, has its own government. They would also have to approve.

 

[g5000]

Like Denmark is going to protect them? LOL

Listen to you. You sound exactly like a ******* Nazi.

Greenland, as part of Denmark, belongs to NATO.

So, under Article V, all of NATO will protect Greenland.

Dipshit.

 

[braalian]

Greenland has been connected to Denmark since before a European ever stepped onto the Americas.

Right

It’s not a “territory” in the sense that it’s a former colony of some long-gone empire like all those little islands still connected to various European nations

It’s a territory in the sense that it’s huge and mostly uninhabited and not economically self sufficient.

It’s a territory for the same reason Yukon and Northwest Territories are territories and not provinces of Canada

Or Northern Territory in Australia isn’t a state of Australia.

Large, sparsely populated areas like that have many benefits of being territories governed by a more populated and organized entity

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Talk about militarily forcing Greenland or Denmark to have Greenland become part of America, is no more than announcing an asking price for a car of $20,000, when what you actually want to get is $15,000.

This is simply Trump being the businessman negotiator.

My objection is that Israeli and now Greenland citizens get far better treatment than the America citizens our government forgot about

 

[postman]

Talk about militarily forcing Greenland or Denmark to have Greenland become part of America, is no more than announcing an asking price for a car of $20,000, when what you actually want to get is $15,000.

This is simply Trump being the businessman negotiator.

Except Denmark put a sign on it.
[Not for Sale]

 

[postman]

If everything was for sale.
Whichever country had the most money, would buy the world.

 

[postman]

Trump has suffered a lot of scrutiny over his interest in Greenland. The continual screams that Trump is Hitler pervade the media and within the DNC as he pursues the fledgling and largely unpopulated land mass. But Trump is no different than President Harry Truman offering Denmark a $100 million in gold to buy Greenland. Simply put, Greenland is a strategic area for a variety of reasons. Those reasons are that they are right next door to the US, making it an ideal outpost for enemy combatants if any were to arise. In fact, there was a fear was that Nazis could use Greenland as a steppingstone to America. The Germans had already established small meteorological bases on the island’s east coast and relayed information for battles in Europe.

Truman was a completely different era.
Germany was working on the "America bomber", as a way to reach the US from Europe. While we had to "island hop" in order to get within striking distance of Japan.
Now every country has long range bombing capabilities, unheard of right after WWII. Making Greenland obsolete for strategic attack.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Trumps great at negotiating with his creditors, maybe trade CA to China in exchange for $900B?

Deal

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Like you, I don't believe Trump to be a Christian. Trump once was asked if he had asked for forgiveness from God for anything, at which point he looked puzzled and said no, that he had done in life what he thought he ought to have done. Well, that's not Christianity. But to think that Joe Biden is a Christian is even more laughable, a man who embraced abortion in it's fullest infanticidal entirety, and wanted taxpayers to pay for it. A man who has Hunter Biden as a son, and all the corruption that surrounded it. So, as a voter, you have to ask, which is worse? As bad as Trump may be, the DNC makes him look almost saintly, as they attempted to assassinate Trump twice, and after than spent every waking hour with lawfare to destroy him. And Trump could have done all the pardons Biden put out to protect himself, as he was mindful upon leaving office of their threats to try to put him away legally, but he restrained himself and decided to go through the legal process to clear his name, which he did. But the kicker was calling him Hitler repeatedly, so that dutiful loons would show up to Bonhoffer Trump so that they too would be international hero's for murdering him, as 1/3 of democrats polled said they wished he had died.

And judging from the two men and two parties, Trump is simply the lesser of the two evils, along with the fact that the media and DNC covered for Biden having dementia, that is, until the Presidential debate when they could no longer hide the truth, putting the country at risk the entire time as they were leaderless.

As for disregarding the Constitution, this has routinely been done with no one saying a word about it, like FDR locking up Japanese Americans to were innocent. Their only crime was that they had squinty eyes and similar DNA as the Japanese whom he was fighting. No one in academia suggests that it was Constitutional, and admit it was totally racist, yet they continue to refer to him as one of the greatest US Presidents of all time, and I bet you agree, don't you. But no one is more of a threat to the Constitution as the DNC is, as they threaten to repeal both the First and Second Amendments. And to do it, they threaten to pack the courts like FDR suggested. Here is a fun fact, FDR's own party was horrified at his court packing scheme and rejected it as unconstitutional. They were so horrified of King FDR who would not leave office after his second term, his own party championed a Constitutional amendment to stop any President from having to serve two terms, due to concerns regarding the corruption that inevitable follows. Yet, Trump has not come close to do any of those things, yet is treated like dirt as the worst President of all time. Stop listening to the Left wing propaganda and think for yourself here. So, in your opinion how has Trump violated the Constitution? And how has the DNC not been worse? I mean, the DNC took away our right to assemble, the right to go to church, the right to refuse a vaccine that was killing people with zero compensation, the right to keep your business runnig, and if it folded due to the imposed closure, you got no compensation, and the right to discuss anything negative about the vaccine or how government was handling it on places like Twitter, as they took away your freedom of speech. Again, Trump has not come close to doing any of those things. Think of it, they shut down all social media and censored Trump when he ran against Biden and lost by shutting him down on places like Twitter. Imagine, a sitting President unable to speak directly to the American people as he was running for office, and on places like Twitter, they refused to talk about the Hunter Biden laptop scandal, as Biden threatened the media if they did not censor it, insisting it was all Russian disinformation, which ended up being the opposite. And after the election, about 20% of voters polled said that they said had they known about the Hunter Biden laptop scandal, they would not have voted for Biden, thus showing that Biden and the DNC helped rig an election.

As for the boats, you can believe if you want that Venezuelan high-speed boats speeding across the Gulf at 3 am in the morning were all out just fishing if you like, but no one disputes that fact that Maduro was a Narco terrorist, costing God only knows how many American lives. And with the US judicial system being soft on drug dealers, with prison basically being a revolving door, to let the DNC let them back onto the streets is something we have seen too much of as over a hundred thousand Americans a year die from those drugs, again, and indisputable fact. So, what terrorist kills as many Americans a year? None that I know of, yet the US has routinely gone after "terrorists" all across the world with drones without giving them a day in court. In fact, Obama did this to an American citizen overseas, yet the media and yourself were either completely ignorant of it, or had no problem with it, which is why you think Trump is sooooo much worse and Hitler like and Obama was nothing more than a saint, taking out dictators in Libya who just happened to treat his people better than any other nation in Africa, as he shared his oil revenue, unlike Maduro.

So, what is the alternative? Is the alternative to let the drug cartels to continue to ravage the American people, and pretending that the hundreds of thousands that die from them every year are not really terrorists? Is the alternative to allow China and Russia invade US interests with impunity in their own hemisphere of influence? In other words, is the alternative to return power to the DNC? I don't see how that is a valid alternative.

Try again.

Thank You for replying Votto. as well as adding more details to your beliefs.

I Stand upon what I stated about not trusting Trump, the Republican Party, nor the Democrats.

There are, & Have been many other "Political Parties" in America Today, & in Our past, that offer more "Hope", & "Commonsense", as well as the Desire to Return to what once made America a Nation Blessed by The Almighty God, that the World Greatly Envied, & Feared. Neither the Democrats, nor the Republicans are Truly offering a Return to that America Votto.

Problem is,.... Both of America's Mainstream Political Parties have jointly put up many hurdles that prohibit, &/or Restrict another "Party" rising up, that would truly capture the Desire of "We th' Sheeple". I'm not trying to be "Derogatory" by using that term, but Today's Americans have been "Herded" in a very "Orwellian Manner" in to accepting one of the two "Parties", despite the fact, that both appear to be "Working together" towards Destroying America as a Superpower.
"Trump is simply the lesser of the two evils"

Again, I do not have to accept any of the two "Evils". In fact,.... There is no State/Federal Law, as of Today, that states that I must choose between being a Democrat, or Republican, or "Risk losing My Citizenship". And I Firmly Believe that if The Founding Fathers were here Today, as well as all that had fought for America to become a Nation, that they wouldn't put up with the Political Choices offered today.
"yet they continue to refer to him as one of the greatest US Presidents of all time, and I bet you agree, don't you."

Absolutely Not! FDR, & many POTUS, before him, & after him, greatly contributed to the Corrupt Beliefs/Foundations that have led America to where it is Today.
"As for the boats, you can believe if you want that Venezuelan high-speed boats speeding across the Gulf at 3 am in the morning were all out just fishing if you like,"

I NEVER Stated That! Are You now going to start making False Statements to Make Your Point??
"Stop listening to the Left wing propaganda and think for yourself here" Did You Bother to even pay attention to what I've previously posted herein this topic? If so,..... How can You state that? Matterof fact,... "If" somehow what I stated "Went in one ear & out the other", then please re-read what I've stated, as well as Read My Profile.
" So, in your opinion how has Trump violated the Constitution? And how has the DNC not been worse? I mean, the DNC took away our right to assemble, the right to go to church, the right to refuse a vaccine that was killing people with zero compensation, the right to keep your business runnig, and if it folded due to the imposed closure, you got no compensation, and the right to discuss anything negative about the vaccine or how government was handling it on places like Twitter, as they took away your freedom of speech. "

Here's a "Refresher of American History",..... Trump Upfront funded the Big Pharm Corporations for a yet to be invented MNRA Vaccine, as well as Some Form of Immunity against prosecution/lawsuits, for any harm caused by those Vaccines. Trump didn't Mandate a Shutdown of the Economy/Freedom of Movement, nor did he Speak Out Against that Happening either.

As far as Freedom of Speech,...... I reckon that You've been busy, perhaps focused on other matters, but Trump has viciously, & repeatedly, Lashed out at /Fired, & Publicly Condemned many that have merely disagreed with him, & especially those who opposed him on various issues. Think of Thomas Massie, & Marjory Taylor Greene as recent examples.

"In fact, Obama did this to an American citizen overseas, yet the media and yourself were either completely ignorant of it, or had no problem with it, which is why you think Trump is sooooo much worse" --- BULLCRAP!

Stop Using Your Baseless Assumptions, & Assertions as filler for these Conversations, & we just might develop an Honest Conversation that those are "Waking up" might benefit from.

 

[Flopper]

Trump has suffered a lot of scrutiny over his interest in Greenland. The continual screams that Trump is Hitler pervade the media and within the DNC as he pursues the fledgling and largely unpopulated land mass. But Trump is no different than President Harry Truman offering Denmark a $100 million in gold to buy Greenland. Simply put, Greenland is a strategic area for a variety of reasons. Those reasons are that they are right next door to the US, making it an ideal outpost for enemy combatants if any were to arise. In fact, there was a fear was that Nazis could use Greenland as a steppingstone to America. The Germans had already established small meteorological bases on the island’s east coast and relayed information for battles in Europe. American troops eventually ousted them and established more than a dozen bases there with thousands of troops, landing strips and other military facilities. And there is the natural resources of Greenland that either the US exploits, or other world powers will exploit, world powers that may be adversarial to the US.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/07/world/europe/trump-greenland-denmark-us-defense-pact.html

Trump is no different than previous Presidents who bought Alaska from Russia, and imagine if that deal had not been negotiated, with Russia later becoming the number one adversary of the US globally. And imagine Russia exploiting all their natural resources, with very little care about the environmental consequences like the US dutifully does.

And it is the very same reason that Trump did what he did in Venezuela, stopping the Chinese from taking most of their oil. Trump is simply the modern-day example of the Monroe Doctrine in action, which is to secure land and resources from hostile powers within the US sphere of geopolitical influence. It is also why JFK imposed a barricade around Cuba as Russia planted nukes on the island as well.

Call it imperialism, call it Nazism, call it whatever you wish. But China does the same damn thing as they prop up North Korea, as they don't want the US sphere of influence anywhere near their country for strategic reasons. And it is the same reason Putin took the Ukraine.

But Europe should be the last to cry about Trump's interest in Greenland, because Europe has allowed the US over the years to spend trillions and trillions of dollars on their military to keep Europe safe and free from Communist Russia, while they themselves spend their money on social programs instead of the endeavor to defend themselves. This has led to massive debt in the US, debt that Europe could care less about as they continue to insist that the US protects them internationally from despots, just like they begged Obama to take out Gaddafi for them. Europe loves the "free" socialistic military blanket of protection but want nothing to do with the US concern over the natural resources to do so and their concerns that adversaries may be able to plant themselves within the North American continent that could very well be deleterious to US power and survivability, nor do they care about the economic burden of providing such a defense at the expense of the lavish social programs Europe enjoys.

Besides, Orange Man bad.

You don't have to agree with the said world view, but to pretend Trump is this off the wall insane dictator in the US for the first time in US history, as he espouses and seeks to continue policy in the US that was created long before he was even born, is infantile

It's time to grow the hell up!!

 

[Flopper]

1951 Defense of Greenland Treaty is still active and grants the U.S. broad military access and operational rights in Greenland, including the Pituffik Space Base, allowing for defense, surveillance, and missile defense.

Trump has made a lot of noise about needing Greenland for defense which is nonsense. The 1951 treaty gives the US broad military access to Greenland. The US currently has a base in Greenland which is only 10% developed. In addition there are 7 abandon missile sites that could reopened plus the US has right to develop more bases if it chooses to do so.

Trump does not want Greenland for defense. Like his invasion of Venezuela, he wants the oil and minerals which is much easily extracted from South end of the island than the north.

 

[AntonToo]

Great post! I personally think Greenland is one too many "balls in the air" but it is perfectly logical and as you say, something that has been attempted several times by previous Presidents and other countries. Greenland has obvious strategic importance and the citizens of Greenland are sitting ducks, completely defenseless. Like Denmark is going to protect them? LOL

They are part of NATO ignoramus.

United States has explicit treaty to defend Greenland.

Article I.​

The Government of the United States of America and the Government of the Kingdom of Denmark, in order to promote stability and well-being in the North Atlantic Treaty area by uniting their efforts for collective defense and for the preservation of peace and security and for the development of their collective capacity to resist armed attack, will each take such measures as are necessary or appropriate to carry out expeditiously their respective and joint responsibilities in Greenland, in accordance with NATO plans.

Avalon Project - Defense of Greenland: Agreement Between the United States and the Kingdom of Denmark, April 27, 1951

 

[Flopper]

The issue is, how much of an ally will Europe be in the future, especially considering that the Left has pushed them into a bureaucratic and despotic EU as each country in Europe has surrendered their democratic sovereignty to an Oligarchy, a continent that has also, in large part, surrendered themselves to Islamic despotism.

And make no mistake, any country dominated by Islam will push for theocracy and Sharia law. In fact, Islam is more of a political religion than a spiritual one, preferring to conquer countries with the sword and at the ballot box by flooding immigrants into various countries.

The EU and NATO was not forced on Europe. Both grew out of necessity. Europe had no chance of remaining free from the Russian domination without NATO. And the economic growth of Europe would not have been possible without the EU. Due to the EU, Goods, services, and people move throughout Europe almost as easily as between US states.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I don’t think you understand that Greenland is a territory of the kingdom of Denmark.

The people of Greenland may or may not want to join the USA, but they are ultimately under the sovereignty of Denmark.

Denmark’s claim over Greenland is unimpeachable. In the 1951 Defense of Greenland Agreement with Denmark, the US unambiguously recognized ‘the sovereignty of the Kingdom of Denmark’ over Greenland.

Greenland is self-governing.

 

[Flopper]

They are part of NATO ignoramus.

United States has explicit treaty to defend Greenland.

Article I.​

The Government of the United States of America and the Government of the Kingdom of Denmark, in order to promote stability and well-being in the North Atlantic Treaty area by uniting their efforts for collective defense and for the preservation of peace and security and for the development of their collective capacity to resist armed attack, will each take such measures as are necessary or appropriate to carry out expeditiously their respective and joint responsibilities in Greenland, in accordance with NATO plans.

Avalon Project - Defense of Greenland: Agreement Between the United States and the Kingdom of Denmark, April 27, 1951

Greenland, Faroe Island, Iceland the Azores and other island nations and territories in the North Atlantic are all protected by NATO. Greenland, better protected than most because there is a US military presence on the Island.

 

[Flopper]

Greenland is self-governing.

They are self governing in the way that US states and territories are self governing, responsible for domestic matters. Demark provides free healthcare, education, and other human services well beyond what US citizens gets. This is probably one of the reasons 85% of Greenlanders are not interested in US citizenship. It seems unlikely the US goverment would want to provide those service when they don't provide them to US citizens now.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

They are self governing in the way that US states and territories are self governing, responsible for domestic matters. Demark provides free healthcare, education, and other human services well beyond what US citizens gets. This is probably one of the reasons 85% of Greenlanders are not interested in US citizenship. It seems unlikely the US goverment would want to provide those service when they don't provide them to US citizens now.

I believe Denmark has also given them the choice as to their future. Whether it be independence or alignment with other governments. Is that not the case?

BTW, you have 4 errors in your post. You might want to use spellcheck.

 

[protectionist]

They are self governing in the way that US states and territories are self governing, responsible for domestic matters. Demark provides free healthcare, education, and other human services well beyond what US citizens gets. This is probably one of the reasons 85% of Greenlanders are not interested in US citizenship. It seems unlikely the US goverment would want to provide those service when they don't provide them to US citizens now.

The benefit that Greenland stands to gain from US citizenship is in national security, primarily protection from Russia & China - not social services. They should consider the question if Denmark (even being part of NATO) is capable of providing the protection they may need.

 

[Flopper]

I believe Denmark has also given them the choice as to their future. Whether it be independence or alignment with other governments. Is that not the case?

BTW, you have 4 errors in your post. You might want to use spellcheck.

Thanks
Yes — under current law Denmark recognizes Greenland’s right to independence, but with important conditions. Greenland is not already independent nor free to join another state/government without first becoming an independent country under international law. There has been no vote for independence, but they have voted in 1976 for more autonomy.

Hunting and fishing provides a subsistence for most of the population. Almost all the population depends on Denmark for healthcare and other social services.

Of the 58,000 people who live in Greenland, over 90% live in 3 small areas on the southwest coast. The north and east coast is almost uninhabited. Since the interior is covered by an ice sheet most of the year, there is very little farming.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Thanks
Yes — under current law Denmark recognizes Greenland’s right to independence, but with important conditions. Greenland is not already independent nor free to join another state/government without first becoming an independent country under international law. There has been no vote independence, but they have voted in 1976 for more autonomy.

Hunting and fishing provides a subsistence for most of the population. Almost all the population depends on Demark for healthcare and other social services.

Point taken. They might change their mind when the Democrats offer them welfare, so they don't have to hunt or fish anymore.