THANK YOU Libertarians for electing Biden!! Free college soon

[Oddball]

It means that nobody is a mind reader....When I was still voting libertarian, I would have abstained if that option wasn't available.

No you wouldn’t have

I think that it is yes.
Those people are so arrogant and self important that they think that not participating makes them superior in some weird way.

Look at what's going on in Michigan and Wisconsin right now, and try to tell me how my vote would have counted for anything.

I made that point somewhere else.
Still doesn't make you right - it just confirms that you are irrelevant.

As a libertarian who did cross over to vote for Trump, I can tell you that you're not going to recruit any more this way. I voted for Gary Johnson in 2016, but Trump in 2020.

.You're going to have to make the case that Republicans are worth supporting. The good news is that you have the right words, smaller government. The bad news is you're going to have to actually do it, not just talk about it.

This year Democrats did it for you for those of us who did by going nuts. But do you want to keep relying on that? I doubt I'll vote Republican in 2024

Not really looking to recruit people who think that shutting down the Government is good Government.
Not really looking to recruit people who don't understand the system.

President Trump gained pretty substantially with the AA vote and The Hispanic Vote.
Those voters and suburban women need to be further recruited.

OK, but then why are you saying libertarians should vote Republican if now you're saying we don't share your priorities?

I like you a lot, Billie. Not trying to argue with you. Just discuss, that's all.

My philosophy is that government is the worst solution to every problem. When is the worst solution the best solution? When it's the only solution.

Police, military, roads, courts, management of limited resources, recognition of property rights are 90% of what government should do. Those all require one arbiter. You can't have 12 police forces where 8 think someone is a criminal and 4 don't. You can't have three militaries. You can't have different property lines between your house and your neighbors.

But anything the market can do, the market can do better

It's okay to be a Libertarian 364 days a year.
I share a lot of the "ideals" of Libertarians.
(Not the drugs - not the shut down the Govt. stuff.)
But on election day - every election day -
Realism has to take over.
It Libertarians ever want a seat at the table - they need to win House Seats, Senate Seats, Governorships.
Can't just think that any real change can be made at the Presidential level.

Republicans have the market cornered on selling out....That ground is all yours.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I believe that Libertarian, Marshall Burt, upset popular Democratic Rep. Stan Blake in a Wyoming statehouse race.

 

[Billiejeens]

It means that nobody is a mind reader....When I was still voting libertarian, I would have abstained if that option wasn't available.

No you wouldn’t have

I think that it is yes.
Those people are so arrogant and self important that they think that not participating makes them superior in some weird way.

Look at what's going on in Michigan and Wisconsin right now, and try to tell me how my vote would have counted for anything.

I made that point somewhere else.
Still doesn't make you right - it just confirms that you are irrelevant.

As a libertarian who did cross over to vote for Trump, I can tell you that you're not going to recruit any more this way. I voted for Gary Johnson in 2016, but Trump in 2020.

.You're going to have to make the case that Republicans are worth supporting. The good news is that you have the right words, smaller government. The bad news is you're going to have to actually do it, not just talk about it.

This year Democrats did it for you for those of us who did by going nuts. But do you want to keep relying on that? I doubt I'll vote Republican in 2024

Not really looking to recruit people who think that shutting down the Government is good Government.
Not really looking to recruit people who don't understand the system.

President Trump gained pretty substantially with the AA vote and The Hispanic Vote.
Those voters and suburban women need to be further recruited.

OK, but then why are you saying libertarians should vote Republican if now you're saying we don't share your priorities?

I like you a lot, Billie. Not trying to argue with you. Just discuss, that's all.

My philosophy is that government is the worst solution to every problem. When is the worst solution the best solution? When it's the only solution.

Police, military, roads, courts, management of limited resources, recognition of property rights are 90% of what government should do. Those all require one arbiter. You can't have 12 police forces where 8 think someone is a criminal and 4 don't. You can't have three militaries. You can't have different property lines between your house and your neighbors.

But anything the market can do, the market can do better

It's okay to be a Libertarian 364 days a year.
I share a lot of the "ideals" of Libertarians.
(Not the drugs - not the shut down the Govt. stuff.)
But on election day - every election day -
Realism has to take over.
It Libertarians ever want a seat at the table - they need to win House Seats, Senate Seats, Governorships.
Can't just think that any real change can be made at the Presidential level.

Republicans have the market cornered on selling out....That ground is all yours.

You do, or you do not, understand that is why Donald Trump was our candidate?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

We don’t need the Senate Biden will just executive order free college

Sounds good, and when you get out of college Biden will only add an additional 30% tax on your income to help pay for that "free" college....dumbass.

True. But what did we get from W when he had both houses? The TSA and a new prescription drug welfare benefit in Medicare

Near trillion dollar deficits, the Patriot Act and NSA spying an entirely new cabinet-level bureaucracy (DHS), John Roberts....Chimpola Bush and the "republican" congress cofirmed everything that libertarians had been saying about the GOP since 1972.

Yep. Even though I voted for Trump this time, Republicans did nothing to earn my vote. Democrats just convinced me they are totally nuts and are playing Russian Roulette with five of the six chambers of the gun loaded with the country.

The election turnout isn't a disaster. Joe is ineffective and Republicans control the Senate. Quagmire rules!

Same here.

 

[kaz]

It means that nobody is a mind reader....When I was still voting libertarian, I would have abstained if that option wasn't available.

No you wouldn’t have

I think that it is yes.
Those people are so arrogant and self important that they think that not participating makes them superior in some weird way.

Look at what's going on in Michigan and Wisconsin right now, and try to tell me how my vote would have counted for anything.

I made that point somewhere else.
Still doesn't make you right - it just confirms that you are irrelevant.

As a libertarian who did cross over to vote for Trump, I can tell you that you're not going to recruit any more this way. I voted for Gary Johnson in 2016, but Trump in 2020.

.You're going to have to make the case that Republicans are worth supporting. The good news is that you have the right words, smaller government. The bad news is you're going to have to actually do it, not just talk about it.

This year Democrats did it for you for those of us who did by going nuts. But do you want to keep relying on that? I doubt I'll vote Republican in 2024

Not really looking to recruit people who think that shutting down the Government is good Government.
Not really looking to recruit people who don't understand the system.

President Trump gained pretty substantially with the AA vote and The Hispanic Vote.
Those voters and suburban women need to be further recruited.

OK, but then why are you saying libertarians should vote Republican if now you're saying we don't share your priorities?

I like you a lot, Billie. Not trying to argue with you. Just discuss, that's all.

My philosophy is that government is the worst solution to every problem. When is the worst solution the best solution? When it's the only solution.

Police, military, roads, courts, management of limited resources, recognition of property rights are 90% of what government should do. Those all require one arbiter. You can't have 12 police forces where 8 think someone is a criminal and 4 don't. You can't have three militaries. You can't have different property lines between your house and your neighbors.

But anything the market can do, the market can do better

It's okay to be a Libertarian 364 days a year.
I share a lot of the "ideals" of Libertarians.
(Not the drugs - not the shut down the Govt. stuff.)
But on election day - every election day -
Realism has to take over.
It Libertarians ever want a seat at the table - they need to win House Seats, Senate Seats, Governorships.
Can't just think that any real change can be made at the Presidential level.

Saying "shut down" the government isn't really accurate. We want to minimize it.

But you said we should have voted Republican. Then you said you're not trying to recruit us because we aren't like Republicans. Now you said we should have voted Republican again.

Not clear what you're arguing.

So if we should vote Republican, why?

I'm talking in general, not specifically this election, I did vote for Trump. But it wasn't the Republicans, I agree we aren't like Republicans. It's because the Democrats were certifiably nuts

 

[Billiejeens]

It's okay to be a Libertarian 364 days a year.
I share a lot of the "ideals" of Libertarians.
(Not the drugs - not the shut down the Govt. stuff.)
But on election day - every election day -
Realism has to take over.
It Libertarians ever want a seat at the table - they need to win House Seats, Senate Seats, Governorships.
Can't just think that any real change can be made at the Presidential level.

The best people in Congress and Senate, the folks with the highest score in the Freedom Index card, are libertarians who carry an R for reasons that you clearly do not understand, but will certainly come to know, in time. They're our people. We put them there. The make the rest of your party look like a bunch of rabid statists. Remember that.

And libertine is not libertarian, winger.

Eductate yourself.

Highest Score in the Freedom Index card, are libertarians who carry an R

Seems as if you are making my point for me
did you intend to do that?

 

[Natural Citizen]

And libertine is not libertarian
When did you figure that out?

Listen. You're out of your league. Okay? To tinker around with me in any debate with regard to the proper role of government is just asking to hang a big sign around your neck saying kick me, I'm a rabid statist. One time I'll tell you that, winger. Once...

 

[Oddball]

It means that nobody is a mind reader....When I was still voting libertarian, I would have abstained if that option wasn't available.

No you wouldn’t have

I think that it is yes.
Those people are so arrogant and self important that they think that not participating makes them superior in some weird way.

Look at what's going on in Michigan and Wisconsin right now, and try to tell me how my vote would have counted for anything.

I made that point somewhere else.
Still doesn't make you right - it just confirms that you are irrelevant.

As a libertarian who did cross over to vote for Trump, I can tell you that you're not going to recruit any more this way. I voted for Gary Johnson in 2016, but Trump in 2020.

.You're going to have to make the case that Republicans are worth supporting. The good news is that you have the right words, smaller government. The bad news is you're going to have to actually do it, not just talk about it.

This year Democrats did it for you for those of us who did by going nuts. But do you want to keep relying on that? I doubt I'll vote Republican in 2024

Not really looking to recruit people who think that shutting down the Government is good Government.
Not really looking to recruit people who don't understand the system.

President Trump gained pretty substantially with the AA vote and The Hispanic Vote.
Those voters and suburban women need to be further recruited.

OK, but then why are you saying libertarians should vote Republican if now you're saying we don't share your priorities?

I like you a lot, Billie. Not trying to argue with you. Just discuss, that's all.

My philosophy is that government is the worst solution to every problem. When is the worst solution the best solution? When it's the only solution.

Police, military, roads, courts, management of limited resources, recognition of property rights are 90% of what government should do. Those all require one arbiter. You can't have 12 police forces where 8 think someone is a criminal and 4 don't. You can't have three militaries. You can't have different property lines between your house and your neighbors.

But anything the market can do, the market can do better

It's okay to be a Libertarian 364 days a year.
I share a lot of the "ideals" of Libertarians.
(Not the drugs - not the shut down the Govt. stuff.)
But on election day - every election day -
Realism has to take over.
It Libertarians ever want a seat at the table - they need to win House Seats, Senate Seats, Governorships.
Can't just think that any real change can be made at the Presidential level.

Republicans have the market cornered on selling out....That ground is all yours.

You do, or you do not, understand that is why Donald Trump was our candidate?

I understand that just fine....But libertarians aren't populists either.

 

[Flash]

Greed is just about the only reason a Moon Bat has for voting for Democrats.

Unadulterated Selfish Greed.

They have a name for that selfish greed. It is called socialism and it is despicable and destructive.

You pay your own fucking college bills and I'll pay mine. I don't owe you a free college education.

Just be happy that you can go to state schools where they already steal taxes from Americans to subsidize your education.

 

[Billiejeens]

It means that nobody is a mind reader....When I was still voting libertarian, I would have abstained if that option wasn't available.

No you wouldn’t have

I think that it is yes.
Those people are so arrogant and self important that they think that not participating makes them superior in some weird way.

Look at what's going on in Michigan and Wisconsin right now, and try to tell me how my vote would have counted for anything.

I made that point somewhere else.
Still doesn't make you right - it just confirms that you are irrelevant.

As a libertarian who did cross over to vote for Trump, I can tell you that you're not going to recruit any more this way. I voted for Gary Johnson in 2016, but Trump in 2020.

.You're going to have to make the case that Republicans are worth supporting. The good news is that you have the right words, smaller government. The bad news is you're going to have to actually do it, not just talk about it.

This year Democrats did it for you for those of us who did by going nuts. But do you want to keep relying on that? I doubt I'll vote Republican in 2024

Not really looking to recruit people who think that shutting down the Government is good Government.
Not really looking to recruit people who don't understand the system.

President Trump gained pretty substantially with the AA vote and The Hispanic Vote.
Those voters and suburban women need to be further recruited.

OK, but then why are you saying libertarians should vote Republican if now you're saying we don't share your priorities?

I like you a lot, Billie. Not trying to argue with you. Just discuss, that's all.

My philosophy is that government is the worst solution to every problem. When is the worst solution the best solution? When it's the only solution.

Police, military, roads, courts, management of limited resources, recognition of property rights are 90% of what government should do. Those all require one arbiter. You can't have 12 police forces where 8 think someone is a criminal and 4 don't. You can't have three militaries. You can't have different property lines between your house and your neighbors.

But anything the market can do, the market can do better

It's okay to be a Libertarian 364 days a year.
I share a lot of the "ideals" of Libertarians.
(Not the drugs - not the shut down the Govt. stuff.)
But on election day - every election day -
Realism has to take over.
It Libertarians ever want a seat at the table - they need to win House Seats, Senate Seats, Governorships.
Can't just think that any real change can be made at the Presidential level.

Saying "shut down" the government isn't really accurate. We want to minimize it.

But you said we should have voted Republican. Then you said you're not trying to recruit us because we aren't like Republicans. Now you said we should have voted Republican again.

Not clear what you're arguing.

So if we should vote Republican, why?

I'm talking in general, not specifically this election, I did vote for Trump. But it wasn't the Republicans, I agree we aren't like Republicans. It's because the Democrats were certifiably nuts

Here this is from Natural Citizen -

He explained it well - I don't think that he meant to, none the less - he did.

The best people in Congress and Senate, the folks with the highest score in the Freedom Index card, are libertarians who carry an R for reasons that you clearly do not understand, but will certainly come to know, in time. They're our people. We put them there. The make the rest of your party look like a bunch of rabid statists. Remember that.

 

[Oddball]

It means that nobody is a mind reader....When I was still voting libertarian, I would have abstained if that option wasn't available.

No you wouldn’t have

I think that it is yes.
Those people are so arrogant and self important that they think that not participating makes them superior in some weird way.

Look at what's going on in Michigan and Wisconsin right now, and try to tell me how my vote would have counted for anything.

I made that point somewhere else.
Still doesn't make you right - it just confirms that you are irrelevant.

As a libertarian who did cross over to vote for Trump, I can tell you that you're not going to recruit any more this way. I voted for Gary Johnson in 2016, but Trump in 2020.

.You're going to have to make the case that Republicans are worth supporting. The good news is that you have the right words, smaller government. The bad news is you're going to have to actually do it, not just talk about it.

This year Democrats did it for you for those of us who did by going nuts. But do you want to keep relying on that? I doubt I'll vote Republican in 2024

Not really looking to recruit people who think that shutting down the Government is good Government.
Not really looking to recruit people who don't understand the system.

President Trump gained pretty substantially with the AA vote and The Hispanic Vote.
Those voters and suburban women need to be further recruited.

OK, but then why are you saying libertarians should vote Republican if now you're saying we don't share your priorities?

I like you a lot, Billie. Not trying to argue with you. Just discuss, that's all.

My philosophy is that government is the worst solution to every problem. When is the worst solution the best solution? When it's the only solution.

Police, military, roads, courts, management of limited resources, recognition of property rights are 90% of what government should do. Those all require one arbiter. You can't have 12 police forces where 8 think someone is a criminal and 4 don't. You can't have three militaries. You can't have different property lines between your house and your neighbors.

But anything the market can do, the market can do better

It's okay to be a Libertarian 364 days a year.
I share a lot of the "ideals" of Libertarians.
(Not the drugs - not the shut down the Govt. stuff.)
But on election day - every election day -
Realism has to take over.
It Libertarians ever want a seat at the table - they need to win House Seats, Senate Seats, Governorships.
Can't just think that any real change can be made at the Presidential level.

Saying "shut down" the government isn't really accurate. We want to minimize it.

But you said we should have voted Republican. Then you said you're not trying to recruit us because we aren't like Republicans. Now you said we should have voted Republican again.

Not clear what you're arguing.

So if we should vote Republican, why?

I'm talking in general, not specifically this election, I did vote for Trump. But it wasn't the Republicans, I agree we aren't like Republicans. It's because the Democrats were certifiably nuts

Here this is from Natural Citizen -

He explained it well - I don't think that he meant to, none the less - he did.

The best people in Congress and Senate, the folks with the highest score in the Freedom Index card, are libertarians who carry an R for reasons that you clearly do not understand, but will certainly come to know, in time. They're our people. We put them there. The make the rest of your party look like a bunch of rabid statists. Remember that.

But they are in fact libertarian....Why should supporters of those politicians suddenly sell out their principles to vote for a Mittens Romney?....(R) uber alles?

 

[Dana7360]

Tough election for sure but Im ecstatic Biden is gonna win and free college/student debt forgiveness is coming. THANK YOU LIBERTARIANS it seems the Libertarian vote drew just enough away from Republicans to secure a Biden win!

Yes tuition free college and student loan forgiveness would be a good thing for our nation but if you think that the republicans are going to allow that to happen I have a beautiful piece of ocean beachfront property in Colorado to sell you.

The last thing any republican is going to do is something that helps our nation and those of us who aren't filthy rich.

 

[Billiejeens]

And libertine is not libertarian
When did you figure that out?

Listen. You're out of your league. Okay? To tinker around with me in any debate with regard to the proper role of government is just asking to hang a big sign around your neck saying kick me, I'm a rabid statist. One time I'll tell you that, winger. Once...

Kick Me!

Wait, don't kick me-

Statist is the exact opposite of Libertarian.

Kick yourself.

 

[Oddball]

Tough election for sure but Im ecstatic Biden is gonna win and free college/student debt forgiveness is coming. THANK YOU LIBERTARIANS it seems the Libertarian vote drew just enough away from Republicans to secure a Biden win!

Yes tuition free college and student loan forgiveness would be a good thing for our nation but if you think that the republicans are going to allow that to happen I have a beautiful piece of ocean beachfront property in Colorado to sell you.

The last thing any republican is going to do is something that helps our nation and those of us who aren't filthy rich.

 

[Billiejeens]

It means that nobody is a mind reader....When I was still voting libertarian, I would have abstained if that option wasn't available.

No you wouldn’t have

I think that it is yes.
Those people are so arrogant and self important that they think that not participating makes them superior in some weird way.

Look at what's going on in Michigan and Wisconsin right now, and try to tell me how my vote would have counted for anything.

I made that point somewhere else.
Still doesn't make you right - it just confirms that you are irrelevant.

As a libertarian who did cross over to vote for Trump, I can tell you that you're not going to recruit any more this way. I voted for Gary Johnson in 2016, but Trump in 2020.

.You're going to have to make the case that Republicans are worth supporting. The good news is that you have the right words, smaller government. The bad news is you're going to have to actually do it, not just talk about it.

This year Democrats did it for you for those of us who did by going nuts. But do you want to keep relying on that? I doubt I'll vote Republican in 2024

Not really looking to recruit people who think that shutting down the Government is good Government.
Not really looking to recruit people who don't understand the system.

President Trump gained pretty substantially with the AA vote and The Hispanic Vote.
Those voters and suburban women need to be further recruited.

OK, but then why are you saying libertarians should vote Republican if now you're saying we don't share your priorities?

I like you a lot, Billie. Not trying to argue with you. Just discuss, that's all.

My philosophy is that government is the worst solution to every problem. When is the worst solution the best solution? When it's the only solution.

Police, military, roads, courts, management of limited resources, recognition of property rights are 90% of what government should do. Those all require one arbiter. You can't have 12 police forces where 8 think someone is a criminal and 4 don't. You can't have three militaries. You can't have different property lines between your house and your neighbors.

But anything the market can do, the market can do better

It's okay to be a Libertarian 364 days a year.
I share a lot of the "ideals" of Libertarians.
(Not the drugs - not the shut down the Govt. stuff.)
But on election day - every election day -
Realism has to take over.
It Libertarians ever want a seat at the table - they need to win House Seats, Senate Seats, Governorships.
Can't just think that any real change can be made at the Presidential level.

Saying "shut down" the government isn't really accurate. We want to minimize it.

But you said we should have voted Republican. Then you said you're not trying to recruit us because we aren't like Republicans. Now you said we should have voted Republican again.

Not clear what you're arguing.

So if we should vote Republican, why?

I'm talking in general, not specifically this election, I did vote for Trump. But it wasn't the Republicans, I agree we aren't like Republicans. It's because the Democrats were certifiably nuts

Here this is from Natural Citizen -

He explained it well - I don't think that he meant to, none the less - he did.

The best people in Congress and Senate, the folks with the highest score in the Freedom Index card, are libertarians who carry an R for reasons that you clearly do not understand, but will certainly come to know, in time. They're our people. We put them there. The make the rest of your party look like a bunch of rabid statists. Remember that.

But they are in fact libertarian....Why should supporters of those politicians suddenly sell out their principles to vote for a Mittens Romney?....(R) uber alles?

Are we talking about people who, for example, - make up The Freedom Caucus?

 

[Dana7360]

We don’t need the Senate Biden will just executive order free college

Oh come on. Get real. That EO will be as effective as trump's EO about preexisting conditions.

All spending has to start in the House. Then it goes to the Senate. If you think that the republicans are going to allow such legislation to be brought up much less voted on, I have a beautiful piece of ocean beachfront property in Colorado to sell you.

 

[Billiejeens]

Tough election for sure but Im ecstatic Biden is gonna win and free college/student debt forgiveness is coming. THANK YOU LIBERTARIANS it seems the Libertarian vote drew just enough away from Republicans to secure a Biden win!

Yes tuition free college and student loan forgiveness would be a good thing for our nation but if you think that the republicans are going to allow that to happen I have a beautiful piece of ocean beachfront property in Colorado to sell you.

The last thing any republican is going to do is something that helps our nation and those of us who aren't filthy rich.

Yet the Democratics are the party of the overly educated, elite snobbish uber wealthy folk.
Weird, Yes?

 

[Dana7360]

I will point out it's not as much libertarians as Independents that voted for Biden to give him the presidency.

It's been a long well known fact that neither party can win an election without Independents.

I have been a registered Independent since 1978. I've voted a variety of parties through the decades.

The republican party has sent Independents like me running from them in horror of what the republicans have become.

I voted for Biden.

 

[Billiejeens]

I will point out it's not as much libertarians as Independents that voted for Biden to give him the presidency.

It's been a long well known fact that neither party can win an election without Independents.

I have been a registered Independent since 1978. I've voted a variety of parties through the decades.

The republican party has sent Independents like me running from them in horror of what the republicans have become.

I voted for Biden.

I doubt that anyone here thought that you wouldn't do that-
Everyone sees you as idiotic.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Tough election for sure but Im ecstatic Biden is gonna win and free college/student debt forgiveness is coming. THANK YOU LIBERTARIANS it seems the Libertarian vote drew just enough away from Republicans to secure a Biden win!

Yes tuition free college and student loan forgiveness would be a good thing for our nation but if you think that the republicans are going to allow that to happen I have a beautiful piece of ocean beachfront property in Colorado to sell you.

The last thing any republican is going to do is something that helps our nation and those of us who aren't filthy rich.

Yes free tuition....free phones....free everything.....
But at the same time...let's lockdown the nation so that it kills off business.
Let's over regulate business so that it has to move to China to turn a profit (God forbid)
Let's allow government to pay it's employees WELL above the national average for private business (with taxpayer funds) so that no one wants a private sector job.

where the hell do you assclowns think money comes from? Let me guess....you believe all you need is a printing press.

Clearly, about half the nation that believes in free everything, at the expense of productive America, deserves no part of it.