Thank you FDR

[CrusaderFrank]

The dilemma FDR faced was the question that many politicians in government were raising: are there saboteurs in the Japanese population? Either way it was a no-win proposition so it was played safe. We also know that there were many private enterprises urging the play-it-safe solution for their own benefit. Now that we know better, would we do it today?

but not Germans?

 

[Vandalshandle]

David, as far as FDR is concerned, you will never get past the internment camps while talking to Unkotare. He has a one track mind on that, and will hijack any thread in that direction.

 

[regent]

The dilemma FDR faced was the question that many politicians in government were raising: are there saboteurs in the Japanese population? Either way it was a no-win proposition so it was played safe. We also know that there were many private enterprises urging the play-it-safe solution for their own benefit. Now that we know better, would we do it today?

but not Germans?

The German and Italian potential enemies were pretty much on the record books and picked up pretty quickly. If I remember correctly I think there were about a thousand or so. It was the Japanese population that confused many, and it was the War Department that was most fearful and the Department of Justice less so.

 

[Unkotare]

it was the War Department that was most fearful and the Department of Justice less so.

Ringle Report on Japanese Internment



FDR’s Solicitor General Withheld Evidence in Japanese Internment Cases

 

[Jarlaxle]

One of the stories that show the difference is perhaps the Bonus Army of WWI vets asking for their pension to be paid a little early. Hoover sent MacArthur down to rout the vets killing a couple, including a vet's baby and burning their camps down. When FDR took office, the Bonus Army tried again, this time FDR sent Eleanor down alone to talk to the vets. She had tea with the vets, they sang some old army songs together and she left.

Actually, I'm not sure that's the case. I have seen enough to convince me that MacArthur did exactly what Hoover had told him NOT to do. (In fact, that egomaniac ignored a direct order and should have been put in front of a firing squad for it.)

Also note: Roosevelt OPPOSED paying the Bonus Army early, and vetoed a bill that did so! (His veto was overridden.)

 

[whitehall]

FDR was the closest thing to a zombie that the US will ever see. Democrats knew he was dying when they wheeled him around for his 4th term campaign. The administration didn't like the V.P. so they quietly took him off the ticket and chose a little pushover senator to finish the term. The ever supportive FDR media kept it quiet while Americans were concerned about the war. Nobody in the media seemed shocked that FDR's medical records disappeared from a locked safe shortly after he died. It's possible that the U.S. was virtually leaderless with a president who suffered a series of strokes and the dishonest democrats knew it and ran a virtual corpse for a 4th term.

 

[Vandalshandle]

My step-father grew up during the depression. He had to quit school at age 12 to get a job and support his family, his father having died and left him the oldest of 5 children on a farm. He was 41 when WW2 broke out, which made him too old for the draft. He tried to enlist, and was declined twice, for being underweight. He finally was accepted, and assigned to the Seabees. He served in the Pacific, and participated in the invasion of Okinawa.

I never saw him shed a tear in his life, until he took us to Warm Springs, Georgia, where FDR died. He stood and silently wept.

When he died, in the 1970's, he had been enjoying Medicare and Social Security. He had spent his life working for Ford, and the union had made his retirement possible, by negotiating a stock purchase plans for employees.

He never voted Republican in his life. He didn't know anyone who was anything like Trump or Romney.

 

[regent]

FDR was the closest thing to a zombie that the US will ever see. Democrats knew he was dying when they wheeled him around for his 4th term campaign. The administration didn't like the V.P. so they quietly took him off the ticket and chose a little pushover senator to finish the term. The ever supportive FDR media kept it quiet while Americans were concerned about the war. Nobody in the media seemed shocked that FDR's medical records disappeared from a locked safe shortly after he died. It's possible that the U.S. was virtually leaderless with a president who suffered a series of strokes and the dishonest democrats knew it and ran a virtual corpse for a 4th term.

At that time most people and politicians believed the way to cure a depression was to cut spending and balance the budget. FDR agreed and asked Congress for the power to balance the budget and Congress gave him the power. FDR cut Congresses salary, the vet bonus bill, veterans benefits and all sorts of government spending. Congress overrode FDR's Economy Act and restored all benefits. FDR vetoed the Congress override and Congress voted the Economy Act out of existence and returned the country to its pre-FDR-Economy Act condition. Today we know that balancing the budget and cutting spending is not the way to cure a depression. Well most know.

 

[Picaro]

They were pretty much fishing in the dark re economic policies in those days. We now know that Keynes was 200% right, and the problem was that there was far too little government spending given the depth of the crisis; the war spending proved that bey9ond any doubt, though the cognitive dissonance among the right wingnuts asserts that the war-time spending is somehow not government spending or something, i.e. they hilariously contradict themselves on that.

 

[Picaro]

The dilemma FDR faced was the question that many politicians in government were raising: are there saboteurs in the Japanese population? Either way it was a no-win proposition so it was played safe. We also know that there were many private enterprises urging the play-it-safe solution for their own benefit. Now that we know better, would we do it today?

but not Germans?

I had an uncle who got locked up back then, a German who had a farm around Fredricksburg, Tx., where some families still speak German around the dinner tables and in many stores there. He was a vocal Hitler fan because of his anti-communism. He was released later, when the locals said they would vouch for him, and he later joined the Army and served under Patton in North Africa and Sicily. Unlike Unkotare and other whiners, he never sniveled and cried about it. He also still insisted Hitler was the best choice in the 1930's given the alternatives, if not later on, and regretted that the assassination attempts later in the war failed. Of course, with Germans here in the U.S., many immigrated here to avoid the drafts under Bismarck and the German unification of the 1870's and 1880's. Donald Trump's first relative here was a draft dodger from that era, avoiding the Bismarck government's military draft.

 

[Political Junky]

The dilemma FDR faced was the question that many politicians in government were raising: are there saboteurs in the Japanese population? Either way it was a no-win proposition so it was played safe. We also know that there were many private enterprises urging the play-it-safe solution for their own benefit. Now that we know better, would we do it today?

but not Germans?

They did put Germans and Italians in camps.

 

[Picaro]

Yes, and re the Japanese over a third of them were not American citizens in the first place. they were released before the war was over anyway.

 

[Unkotare]

The dilemma FDR faced was the question that many politicians in government were raising: are there saboteurs in the Japanese population? Either way it was a no-win proposition so it was played safe. We also know that there were many private enterprises urging the play-it-safe solution for their own benefit. Now that we know better, would we do it today?

but not Germans?

They did put Germans and Italians in camps.

How many, of the millions and millions of Americans of German or Italian descent by the 1930s? Yeah, the same...

Regardless, it is just another example of how that scumbag FDR disdained Americans and our Constitution.

 

[Unkotare]

Yes, and re the Japanese over a third of them were not American citizens......

In which case it's OK to throw them into concentration camps?

 

[Picaro]

Yes, and re the Japanese over a third of them were not American citizens......

In which case it's OK to throw them into concentration camps?

In which case it's okay to mock your inane ridiculous sniveling and whining, since it's easily refuted as gibberish.

 

[Decus]

The majority of Japanese that were imprisoned were children. How many Italian and German children were interned in the US?

"Most of the 110,000 persons removed for reasons of 'national security' were school-age children, infants and young adults not yet of voting age."

Children of the Camps | INTERNMENT HISTORY

FDR's concentration camps (FDR called them concentration camps) were inexcusable.

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[Picaro]

The majority of Japanese that were imprisoned were children. How many Italian and German children were interned in the US?

"Most of the 110,000 persons removed for reasons of 'national security' were school-age children, infants and young adults not yet of voting age."

Children of the Camps | INTERNMENT HISTORY

FDR's concentration camps (FDR called them concentration camps) were inexcusable.

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I read somewhere that FDR had them ground up and used for meat in military rations. That's why no children survived the horrors. Most of those around today claiming to be 'Japanese' are actually illegal Koreans.

A real humanitarian would have left the children by themselves, obviously ....

 

[Rotagilla]

No fucking criminal who ever threw innocent, loyal Americans into concentration camps can be "great." What he can be considered is a piece of shit of historic proportions.

So why did many of those in the internment camps volunteer to be soldiers in FDR's army?
Why was the first Japanese-American elected from the 49th state to the House of Representatives a Democrat?

because they put the well being of america ahead of their racial solidarity or party politics.

 

[Sunni Man]

FDR was a commie loving jew controlled tyrant who was married to a lezbo.

Basically the perfect liberal. .......

 

[Unkotare]

Yes, and re the Japanese over a third of them were not American citizens......

In which case it's OK to throw them into concentration camps?

In which case it's okay to mock your inane ridiculous sniveling and whining, since it's easily refuted as gibberish.

What exactly is "gibberish"? What part of that scumbag's anti-American crime do you wish to defend?