Texas to arrest Sanctuary City Leaders, Police Chiefs, etc...

That's true, but the authorities could have done things more peacefully like wait until he left the compound to arrest him.

Why should they do that/ Because he was white?

What if he never left the compound? What if he left the compound and his little cultists smuggled all the automatic weapons they had out the back door?

So let me get this straight.

White Cult Leader who molests children and sells illegal guns should be given every benefit of the doubt, negotiated with even AFTER he kills four Federal agents.

12 year old playing with a toy? Shoot that little n****r on sight!!!!

Guy, do you need to do special exercises to be that racist?
 
If you had been paying attention you would understand the individuals are not being held liable but the municipalities are.

Well, then. I am sure that you can provide links where municipalities have found to be in violation of federal law, and have been fined, just like the feds did with Sheriff Joe's illegal racial profiling, and fined Phoenix millions of dollars, right?
They are losing federal funding, remember?

TooMuch, you seem to have forgotten that Trump's EO cutting off federal funding to sanctuary cities was held to be unconstitutional by a federal court.
That court had no jurisdiction and the Justice Department will deny grants to such cities, anyway. Thomas Jefferson was the first president to impound funds appropriated by Congress and nearly every president since has done the same. In 1974, Congress passed a law requiring the president to petition Congress within 45 days of impounding such funds to rescind those funds. Since the third president of the US has ever claimed this action was unconstitutional and this ruling is a clear abuse of power by the judge and need not be obeyed.

Well, until that is overturned, you don't have much of a case, do you? Be sure to let me know when that happens...:eusa_whistle:
The President could choose to ignore this obviously bogus decision, and there is precedent for doing so.

"Federal judge Roger Taney, the chief justice of the Supreme Court (and also the author of the infamous Dred Scott decision), issued a ruling that President Lincoln did not have the authority to suspend habeas corpus. Lincoln didn't respond, appeal, or order the release of Merryman. But during a July 4 speech, Lincoln was defiant, insisting that he needed to suspend the rules in order to put down the rebellion in the South.

"Five years later, a new Supreme Court essentially backed Justice Taney's ruling: In an unrelated case, the court held that only Congress could suspend habeas corpus and that civilians were not subject to military courts, even in times of war."

What happens if Trump decides to ignore a judge's ruling?
 
Well, then. I am sure that you can provide links where municipalities have found to be in violation of federal law, and have been fined, just like the feds did with Sheriff Joe's illegal racial profiling, and fined Phoenix millions of dollars, right?
They are losing federal funding, remember?

TooMuch, you seem to have forgotten that Trump's EO cutting off federal funding to sanctuary cities was held to be unconstitutional by a federal court.
That court had no jurisdiction and the Justice Department will deny grants to such cities, anyway. Thomas Jefferson was the first president to impound funds appropriated by Congress and nearly every president since has done the same. In 1974, Congress passed a law requiring the president to petition Congress within 45 days of impounding such funds to rescind those funds. Since the third president of the US has ever claimed this action was unconstitutional and this ruling is a clear abuse of power by the judge and need not be obeyed.

Well, until that is overturned, you don't have much of a case, do you? Be sure to let me know when that happens...:eusa_whistle:
The President could choose to ignore this obviously bogus decision, and there is precedent for doing so.

"Federal judge Roger Taney, the chief justice of the Supreme Court (and also the author of the infamous Dred Scott decision), issued a ruling that President Lincoln did not have the authority to suspend habeas corpus. Lincoln didn't respond, appeal, or order the release of Merryman. But during a July 4 speech, Lincoln was defiant, insisting that he needed to suspend the rules in order to put down the rebellion in the South.

"Five years later, a new Supreme Court essentially backed Justice Taney's ruling: In an unrelated case, the court held that only Congress could suspend habeas corpus and that civilians were not subject to military courts, even in times of war."

What happens if Trump decides to ignore a judge's ruling?

TM, why do you insist on arguing what "could" happen, and what "will" happen? Here are the facts. Trump issued his EO. A federal court ruled it was unconstitutional. Trump did not challenge the issue, and has not moved forward on withholding money from cities, unless you count his tweet rants. Check, and Mate. Checks and Balances.
 
While states like California are trying to find ways to defy President Trump by protecting criminal illegals, Texas is on the verge of passing legislation that would hold Mauors, police Ciefs, and other city officials accountable for enabling Sanctuary Cities.

If caught doing so, these coty officials could be SENT TO JAIL for breaking the law and aiding /abetting criminals.

GO, TEXAS! HUA!

Texas prepares to begin locking up leaders in sanctuary cities - Hot Air

"Texas would be the first in which police chiefs and sheriffs could be jailed for not helping enforce immigration law. They could also lose their jobs."
An excellent start.
An excellent start to undermining the constitution. I agree. It's been a strong four months of that.
 
They are losing federal funding, remember?

TooMuch, you seem to have forgotten that Trump's EO cutting off federal funding to sanctuary cities was held to be unconstitutional by a federal court.
That court had no jurisdiction and the Justice Department will deny grants to such cities, anyway. Thomas Jefferson was the first president to impound funds appropriated by Congress and nearly every president since has done the same. In 1974, Congress passed a law requiring the president to petition Congress within 45 days of impounding such funds to rescind those funds. Since the third president of the US has ever claimed this action was unconstitutional and this ruling is a clear abuse of power by the judge and need not be obeyed.

Well, until that is overturned, you don't have much of a case, do you? Be sure to let me know when that happens...:eusa_whistle:
The President could choose to ignore this obviously bogus decision, and there is precedent for doing so.

"Federal judge Roger Taney, the chief justice of the Supreme Court (and also the author of the infamous Dred Scott decision), issued a ruling that President Lincoln did not have the authority to suspend habeas corpus. Lincoln didn't respond, appeal, or order the release of Merryman. But during a July 4 speech, Lincoln was defiant, insisting that he needed to suspend the rules in order to put down the rebellion in the South.

"Five years later, a new Supreme Court essentially backed Justice Taney's ruling: In an unrelated case, the court held that only Congress could suspend habeas corpus and that civilians were not subject to military courts, even in times of war."

What happens if Trump decides to ignore a judge's ruling?

TM, why do you insist on arguing what "could" happen, and what "will" happen? Here are the facts. Trump issued his EO. A federal court ruled it was unconstitutional. Trump did not challenge the issue, and has not moved forward on withholding money from cities, unless you count his tweet rants. Check, and Mate. Checks and Balances.
When this judge issued an opinion of an issue that had already bdealt with by Congress, he violated the principle of separation of powers, and without separation of powers, the are no checks and balances. The issue is political now, not legal, and the only consideration the President has to be concerned about is whether he has enough support among House Republicans to ignore this decision with impunity.
 
TooMuch, you seem to have forgotten that Trump's EO cutting off federal funding to sanctuary cities was held to be unconstitutional by a federal court.
That court had no jurisdiction and the Justice Department will deny grants to such cities, anyway. Thomas Jefferson was the first president to impound funds appropriated by Congress and nearly every president since has done the same. In 1974, Congress passed a law requiring the president to petition Congress within 45 days of impounding such funds to rescind those funds. Since the third president of the US has ever claimed this action was unconstitutional and this ruling is a clear abuse of power by the judge and need not be obeyed.

Well, until that is overturned, you don't have much of a case, do you? Be sure to let me know when that happens...:eusa_whistle:
The President could choose to ignore this obviously bogus decision, and there is precedent for doing so.

"Federal judge Roger Taney, the chief justice of the Supreme Court (and also the author of the infamous Dred Scott decision), issued a ruling that President Lincoln did not have the authority to suspend habeas corpus. Lincoln didn't respond, appeal, or order the release of Merryman. But during a July 4 speech, Lincoln was defiant, insisting that he needed to suspend the rules in order to put down the rebellion in the South.

"Five years later, a new Supreme Court essentially backed Justice Taney's ruling: In an unrelated case, the court held that only Congress could suspend habeas corpus and that civilians were not subject to military courts, even in times of war."

What happens if Trump decides to ignore a judge's ruling?

TM, why do you insist on arguing what "could" happen, and what "will" happen? Here are the facts. Trump issued his EO. A federal court ruled it was unconstitutional. Trump did not challenge the issue, and has not moved forward on withholding money from cities, unless you count his tweet rants. Check, and Mate. Checks and Balances.
When this judge issued an opinion of an issue that had already bdealt with by Congress, he violated the principle of separation of powers, and without separation of powers, the are no checks and balances. The issue is political now, not legal, and the only consideration the President has to be concerned about is whether he has enough support among House Republicans to ignore this decision with impunity.

Well I am afraid that congress has already approved a judge to sit in that empty chair, so I guess that it is too late for you to go to Washington to educate them on the law...:rolleyes:
 
That court had no jurisdiction and the Justice Department will deny grants to such cities, anyway. Thomas Jefferson was the first president to impound funds appropriated by Congress and nearly every president since has done the same. In 1974, Congress passed a law requiring the president to petition Congress within 45 days of impounding such funds to rescind those funds. Since the third president of the US has ever claimed this action was unconstitutional and this ruling is a clear abuse of power by the judge and need not be obeyed.

Well, until that is overturned, you don't have much of a case, do you? Be sure to let me know when that happens...:eusa_whistle:
The President could choose to ignore this obviously bogus decision, and there is precedent for doing so.

"Federal judge Roger Taney, the chief justice of the Supreme Court (and also the author of the infamous Dred Scott decision), issued a ruling that President Lincoln did not have the authority to suspend habeas corpus. Lincoln didn't respond, appeal, or order the release of Merryman. But during a July 4 speech, Lincoln was defiant, insisting that he needed to suspend the rules in order to put down the rebellion in the South.

"Five years later, a new Supreme Court essentially backed Justice Taney's ruling: In an unrelated case, the court held that only Congress could suspend habeas corpus and that civilians were not subject to military courts, even in times of war."

What happens if Trump decides to ignore a judge's ruling?

TM, why do you insist on arguing what "could" happen, and what "will" happen? Here are the facts. Trump issued his EO. A federal court ruled it was unconstitutional. Trump did not challenge the issue, and has not moved forward on withholding money from cities, unless you count his tweet rants. Check, and Mate. Checks and Balances.
When this judge issued an opinion of an issue that had already bdealt with by Congress, he violated the principle of separation of powers, and without separation of powers, the are no checks and balances. The issue is political now, not legal, and the only consideration the President has to be concerned about is whether he has enough support among House Republicans to ignore this decision with impunity.

Well I am afraid that congress has already approved a judge to sit in that empty chair, so I guess that it is too late for you to go to Washington to educate them on the law...:rolleyes:
Clearly, in the case of this judge, Congress made a mistake, but Congress also has the power to correct this mistake.
 
Well, until that is overturned, you don't have much of a case, do you? Be sure to let me know when that happens...:eusa_whistle:
The President could choose to ignore this obviously bogus decision, and there is precedent for doing so.

"Federal judge Roger Taney, the chief justice of the Supreme Court (and also the author of the infamous Dred Scott decision), issued a ruling that President Lincoln did not have the authority to suspend habeas corpus. Lincoln didn't respond, appeal, or order the release of Merryman. But during a July 4 speech, Lincoln was defiant, insisting that he needed to suspend the rules in order to put down the rebellion in the South.

"Five years later, a new Supreme Court essentially backed Justice Taney's ruling: In an unrelated case, the court held that only Congress could suspend habeas corpus and that civilians were not subject to military courts, even in times of war."

What happens if Trump decides to ignore a judge's ruling?

TM, why do you insist on arguing what "could" happen, and what "will" happen? Here are the facts. Trump issued his EO. A federal court ruled it was unconstitutional. Trump did not challenge the issue, and has not moved forward on withholding money from cities, unless you count his tweet rants. Check, and Mate. Checks and Balances.
When this judge issued an opinion of an issue that had already bdealt with by Congress, he violated the principle of separation of powers, and without separation of powers, the are no checks and balances. The issue is political now, not legal, and the only consideration the President has to be concerned about is whether he has enough support among House Republicans to ignore this decision with impunity.

Well I am afraid that congress has already approved a judge to sit in that empty chair, so I guess that it is too late for you to go to Washington to educate them on the law...:rolleyes:
Clearly, in the case of this judge, Congress made a mistake, but Congress also has the power to correct this mistake.

Be sure to let me know when that happens!
 
That's true, but the authorities could have done things more peacefully like wait until he left the compound to arrest him.

Why should they do that/ Because he was white?

What if he never left the compound? What if he left the compound and his little cultists smuggled all the automatic weapons they had out the back door?

So let me get this straight.

White Cult Leader who molests children and sells illegal guns should be given every benefit of the doubt, negotiated with even AFTER he kills four Federal agents.

12 year old playing with a toy? Shoot that little n****r on sight!!!!

Guy, do you need to do special exercises to be that racist?

Odd question coming from a race paranoid self hating ******.

They should have arrested him before the agents even went near the compound. It should have been their very first move. And yes, he did go to town quite a bit before trouble came along. Nobody would have known the law was even interested in them. He would have left and not returned. It's likely some of his cohorts may have gone out looking for him, and they could have done the same with them.
 
Maybe you should watch your news more often. Police always WAIT when they have a situation of innocents being harmed or killed even in the black community. To compare a suspect quickly pulling out a gun in front of a cop and this situation is like comparing jumping into a pool and jumping into Niagara Falls. You have two problems here: one is you're a self-hating white who brings race into everything, and two, you don't understand the difference between an immediate threat and a negotiation situation.

1200 Americans killed at the hands of police every year...

I really do think that the Branch Molesterians having shot 4 ATF Agents was a more immediate threat than Tamir Rice having a toy gun under his jacket.

But Koresh was white, so it was an outrage to the right... even though the piece of shit killed himself and his followers.

You really live in your own little world, don't you Joe?

Police deaths in 2016 was 967, not 1200.

If people barricade themselves in a home, that's different than somebody pulling a gun on you in the street. WTF did you want them to do, knock at the door and hope Koresh opened up for the police to shoot him? Why do you insist on comparing apples to oranges to promote your racist agenda?
 
Maybe you should watch your news more often. Police always WAIT when they have a situation of innocents being harmed or killed even in the black community. To compare a suspect quickly pulling out a gun in front of a cop and this situation is like comparing jumping into a pool and jumping into Niagara Falls. You have two problems here: one is you're a self-hating white who brings race into everything, and two, you don't understand the difference between an immediate threat and a negotiation situation.

1200 Americans killed at the hands of police every year...

I really do think that the Branch Molesterians having shot 4 ATF Agents was a more immediate threat than Tamir Rice having a toy gun under his jacket.

But Koresh was white, so it was an outrage to the right... even though the piece of shit killed himself and his followers.

You really live in your own little world, don't you Joe?

Police deaths in 2016 was 967, not 1200.

If people barricade themselves in a home, that's different than somebody pulling a gun on you in the street. WTF did you want them to do, knock at the door and hope Koresh opened up for the police to shoot him? Why do you insist on comparing apples to oranges to promote your racism?


I can tell from these posts, where I can't see what they are replies, to,

that i was soooo right to put Jake on ignore.


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Omamma made law disrespect a cottage industry, cloaked in racism that no one wanted to refute, add millions of fatherless and direction less males, and you have what we have today
Oh, and the newest element introduced is that expecting people to be on time is just a white man constraint thus rooted in racism???
i thought it was, "third worlders" needing to adjust their sundial.
 
There is no individual right, regarding the militia.
It is not now nor ever a requirement to be IN a militia to own possess or use firearms. And the Supreme Court so ruled.
I am not claiming there is. You merely confuse, natural rights, with our Second Article of Amendment to our federal Constitution.

There are No natural rights secured by our Second Amendment.

Natural rights are recognized and secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process.
The militia has nothing to do with 2nd amendment rights except that to HAVE a militia the population must own possess and use firearms.
good thing you are retired.

the Second Amendment has every Thing to do, with the militia.
And the militia is NOT a requirement to own possess or use firearms as so ruled by the Supreme Court. The 2nd is an INDIVIDUAL right not connected to service in the militia.
Dear, there is no Second Amendment "liberty" without well regulated militia being involved.

There are no Individual rights secured in our Second Article of Amendment. Individual, natural rights, are recognized and secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process.
 
Well, then. I am sure that you can provide links where municipalities have found to be in violation of federal law, and have been fined, just like the feds did with Sheriff Joe's illegal racial profiling, and fined Phoenix millions of dollars, right?
They are losing federal funding, remember?

TooMuch, you seem to have forgotten that Trump's EO cutting off federal funding to sanctuary cities was held to be unconstitutional by a federal court.
That court had no jurisdiction and the Justice Department will deny grants to such cities, anyway. Thomas Jefferson was the first president to impound funds appropriated by Congress and nearly every president since has done the same. In 1974, Congress passed a law requiring the president to petition Congress within 45 days of impounding such funds to rescind those funds. Since the third president of the US has ever claimed this action was unconstitutional and this ruling is a clear abuse of power by the judge and need not be obeyed.

Well, until that is overturned, you don't have much of a case, do you? Be sure to let me know when that happens...:eusa_whistle:
The President could choose to ignore this obviously bogus decision, and there is precedent for doing so.

"Federal judge Roger Taney, the chief justice of the Supreme Court (and also the author of the infamous Dred Scott decision), issued a ruling that President Lincoln did not have the authority to suspend habeas corpus. Lincoln didn't respond, appeal, or order the release of Merryman. But during a July 4 speech, Lincoln was defiant, insisting that he needed to suspend the rules in order to put down the rebellion in the South.

"Five years later, a new Supreme Court essentially backed Justice Taney's ruling: In an unrelated case, the court held that only Congress could suspend habeas corpus and that civilians were not subject to military courts, even in times of war."

What happens if Trump decides to ignore a judge's ruling?
Up to twenty days in jail and a virtual guarantee of only one term, or less.
 
It is not now nor ever a requirement to be IN a militia to own possess or use firearms. And the Supreme Court so ruled.
I am not claiming there is. You merely confuse, natural rights, with our Second Article of Amendment to our federal Constitution.

There are No natural rights secured by our Second Amendment.

Natural rights are recognized and secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process.
The militia has nothing to do with 2nd amendment rights except that to HAVE a militia the population must own possess and use firearms.
good thing you are retired.

the Second Amendment has every Thing to do, with the militia.
And the militia is NOT a requirement to own possess or use firearms as so ruled by the Supreme Court. The 2nd is an INDIVIDUAL right not connected to service in the militia.
Dear, there is no Second Amendment "liberty" without well regulated militia being involved.

There are no Individual rights secured in our Second Article of Amendment. Individual, natural rights, are recognized and secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process.


The Second Amendment is about an individual's Right to Bear Arms.

YOur denial of this simple and obvious fact just demonstrates the completeness of your dishonesty.
 
I am not claiming there is. You merely confuse, natural rights, with our Second Article of Amendment to our federal Constitution.

There are No natural rights secured by our Second Amendment.

Natural rights are recognized and secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process.
The militia has nothing to do with 2nd amendment rights except that to HAVE a militia the population must own possess and use firearms.
good thing you are retired.

the Second Amendment has every Thing to do, with the militia.
And the militia is NOT a requirement to own possess or use firearms as so ruled by the Supreme Court. The 2nd is an INDIVIDUAL right not connected to service in the militia.
Dear, there is no Second Amendment "liberty" without well regulated militia being involved.

There are no Individual rights secured in our Second Article of Amendment. Individual, natural rights, are recognized and secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process.


The Second Amendment is about an individual's Right to Bear Arms.

YOur denial of this simple and obvious fact just demonstrates the completeness of your dishonesty.

More like his inability to understand anything.
 
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That's true, but the authorities could have done things more peacefully like wait until he left the compound to arrest him.

Why should they do that/ Because he was white?

What if he never left the compound? What if he left the compound and his little cultists smuggled all the automatic weapons they had out the back door?

So let me get this straight.

White Cult Leader who molests children and sells illegal guns should be given every benefit of the doubt, negotiated with even AFTER he kills four Federal agents.

12 year old playing with a toy? Shoot that little n****r on sight!!!!

Guy, do you need to do special exercises to be that racist?
None of what you claimed is true there were no illegal firearms no one sold any all they did is buy them and no children were molested dumb ass that is all fake news.
 
It is not now nor ever a requirement to be IN a militia to own possess or use firearms. And the Supreme Court so ruled.
I am not claiming there is. You merely confuse, natural rights, with our Second Article of Amendment to our federal Constitution.

There are No natural rights secured by our Second Amendment.

Natural rights are recognized and secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process.
The militia has nothing to do with 2nd amendment rights except that to HAVE a militia the population must own possess and use firearms.
good thing you are retired.

the Second Amendment has every Thing to do, with the militia.
And the militia is NOT a requirement to own possess or use firearms as so ruled by the Supreme Court. The 2nd is an INDIVIDUAL right not connected to service in the militia.
Dear, there is no Second Amendment "liberty" without well regulated militia being involved.

There are no Individual rights secured in our Second Article of Amendment. Individual, natural rights, are recognized and secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process.
So no individual right to an abortion no individual right to the 5th amendment no individual right to be safe from search and seizure, shall I go on?
 
And yes, he did go to town quite a bit before trouble came along. Nobody would have known the law was even interested in them.

Actually, the Davidians knew that the ATF was investigating them for years. They even knew they had an ATF agent in the building with them as an undercover agent.

They should have arrested him before the agents even went near the compound. It should have been their very first move.

How does that solve the problem of hundreds of illegal guns on the compound?

He would have left and not returned. It's likely some of his cohorts may have gone out looking for him, and they could have done the same with them.

Again, same question. It's like saying we should arrest people when they wander out of the crack house and never actually go into the crack house... you know, where the crack is.

You really live in your own little world, don't you Joe?

Police deaths in 2016 was 967, not 1200.

Killed By Police - 2017

2016 - 1156
2015 - 1213
2014 - 1112
2013 - 777

If people barricade themselves in a home, that's different than somebody pulling a gun on you in the street. WTF did you want them to do, knock at the door and hope Koresh opened up for the police to shoot him? Why do you insist on comparing apples to oranges to promote your racist agenda?

Koresh was stockpiling weapons, molesting children, dealing drugs and had gotten into shootouts with rival cult members.

Tamir Rice was playing with a toy.

Koresh had 72 days to think about what a bad choice he was making.

Rice had 1.3 Seconds to evaluate his situation.

Yet you seem to think Koresh was the wronged party here.
 

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