Texas to arrest Sanctuary City Leaders, Police Chiefs, etc...

[Dr Grump]

Police always WAIT when they have a situation of innocents being harmed or killed...

For 90 days though? I think not...

 

[Wyatt earp]

And yes, he did go to town quite a bit before trouble came along. Nobody would have known the law was even interested in them.

Actually, the Davidians knew that the ATF was investigating them for years. They even knew they had an ATF agent in the building with them as an undercover agent.

They should have arrested him before the agents even went near the compound. It should have been their very first move.

How does that solve the problem of hundreds of illegal guns on the compound?

He would have left and not returned. It's likely some of his cohorts may have gone out looking for him, and they could have done the same with them.

Again, same question. It's like saying we should arrest people when they wander out of the crack house and never actually go into the crack house... you know, where the crack is.

You really live in your own little world, don't you Joe?

Police deaths in 2016 was 967, not 1200.

Killed By Police - 2017

2016 - 1156
2015 - 1213
2014 - 1112
2013 - 777

If people barricade themselves in a home, that's different than somebody pulling a gun on you in the street. WTF did you want them to do, knock at the door and hope Koresh opened up for the police to shoot him? Why do you insist on comparing apples to oranges to promote your racist agenda?

Koresh was stockpiling weapons, molesting children, dealing drugs and had gotten into shootouts with rival cult members.

Tamir Rice was playing with a toy.

Koresh had 72 days to think about what a bad choice he was making.

Rice had 1.3 Seconds to evaluate his situation.

Yet you seem to think Koresh was the wronged party here.

Link?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Actually, the Davidians knew that the ATF was investigating them for years. They even knew they had an ATF agent in the building with them as an undercover agent.

How does that solve the problem of hundreds of illegal guns on the compound?

How did attacking the compound solve the problem of hundreds of guns there?

You break down the group by arresting smaller groups and then charge them

Again, same question. It's like saying we should arrest people when they wander out of the crack house and never actually go into the crack house... you know, where the crack is.

Yes, you arrest the suspects first, and THEN go into the crack house. If children are in the crack house, you don't attack the house.

Killed By Police - 2017

2016 - 1156
2015 - 1213
2014 - 1112
2013 - 777

Bullshit. Try a real source for a change:

Police shootings 2016 database

Koresh was stockpiling weapons, molesting children, dealing drugs and had gotten into shootouts with rival cult members.

Tamir Rice was playing with a toy.

Koresh had 72 days to think about what a bad choice he was making.

Rice had 1.3 Seconds to evaluate his situation.

Yet you seem to think Koresh was the wronged party here.

You seem to keep shoveling the same bullshit over and over again regardless how many times I proved you wrong. The officer seen a real gun. Need the picture, I'll post it again for the 50th time since you liberals are so Fn slow. Koresh was a hostage situation, Rice was not. Koresh was not an immediate threat to police officers, Rice was. By immediate threat, I mean the suspect presenting a threat to the safety of an officer in a seconds notice.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Police always WAIT when they have a situation of innocents being harmed or killed...

For 90 days though? I think not...

Again, there should have been no agents there until Koresh was apprehended and in custody. Do you really believe that police procedure is to give the suspect X amount of time with hostages, and past that time, F-the hostages and go in anyway?

 

[WEATHER53]

I am not claiming there is. You merely confuse, natural rights, with our Second Article of Amendment to our federal Constitution.

There are No natural rights secured by our Second Amendment.

Natural rights are recognized and secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process.

The militia has nothing to do with 2nd amendment rights except that to HAVE a militia the population must own possess and use firearms.

good thing you are retired.

the Second Amendment has every Thing to do, with the militia.

And the militia is NOT a requirement to own possess or use firearms as so ruled by the Supreme Court. The 2nd is an INDIVIDUAL right not connected to service in the militia.

Dear, there is no Second Amendment "liberty" without well regulated militia being involved.

There are no Individual rights secured in our Second Article of Amendment. Individual, natural rights, are recognized and secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process.

The Second Amendment is about an individual's Right to Bear Arms.

YOur denial of this simple and obvious fact just demonstrates the completeness of your dishonesty.

We could quote but basically the right to bear arms shall not be infringed as the maintainence of a (citizens?) well regulated militia being a necessity

 

[WEATHER53]

Koresh was a **** face deserving of dying but his ineptitudes did not have to turn into a disaster for everyone

 

[JoeB131]

How did attacking the compound solve the problem of hundreds of guns there?

You break down the group by arresting smaller groups and then charge them

With what? YOu can't charge them unless you have evidence. These were white people. You need actual evidence. It's in the rule book.

Yes, you arrest the suspects first, and THEN go into the crack house. If children are in the crack house, you don't attack the house.

Right. leave the kids in the crack house. That will work..

Bullshit. Try a real source for a change:

You have your source, I have mine. They link to every death...

You seem to keep shoveling the same bullshit over and over again regardless how many times I proved you wrong. The officer seen a real gun. Need the picture, I'll post it again for the 50th time since you liberals are so Fn slow.

again, gun wasn't out where anyone could see it. Cleveland paid out millions of dollars because they knew they couldn't find 12 people as stupid and racist as you are to buy that horseshit.

Koresh was a hostage situation, Rice was not. Koresh was not an immediate threat to police officers, Rice was.

With a BB Gun? That wasn't even in his hand?

As opposed to Koresh who MURDERED FOUR ATF AGENTS and went on to kill all his followers.

But remember, kiddies, Koresh was white.

SO not a threat, obviously.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Police always WAIT when they have a situation of innocents being harmed or killed...

For 90 days though? I think not...

Again, there should have been no agents there until Koresh was apprehended and in custody. Do you really believe that police procedure is to give the suspect X amount of time with hostages, and past that time, F-the hostages and go in anyway?

Exactly.. all the cops had to do is arrest David when he went out in the morning to eat breakfast..


Except Janet wanted ...
God knows what..

 

[Wyatt earp]

How did attacking the compound solve the problem of hundreds of guns there?

You break down the group by arresting smaller groups and then charge them

With what? YOu can't charge them unless you have evidence. These were white people. You need actual evidence. It's in the rule book.

Yes, you arrest the suspects first, and THEN go into the crack house. If children are in the crack house, you don't attack the house.

Right. leave the kids in the crack house. That will work..

Bullshit. Try a real source for a change:

You have your source, I have mine. They link to every death...

You seem to keep shoveling the same bullshit over and over again regardless how many times I proved you wrong. The officer seen a real gun. Need the picture, I'll post it again for the 50th time since you liberals are so Fn slow.

again, gun wasn't out where anyone could see it. Cleveland paid out millions of dollars because they knew they couldn't find 12 people as stupid and racist as you are to buy that horseshit.

Koresh was a hostage situation, Rice was not. Koresh was not an immediate threat to police officers, Rice was.

With a BB Gun? That wasn't even in his hand?

As opposed to Koresh who MURDERED FOUR ATF AGENTS and went on to kill all his followers.

But remember, kiddies, Koresh was white.

SO not a threat, obviously.

What's with this racism bull shit?

Janet and the ATF attacked U.S. citizens

Comprehend?

 

[Wyatt earp]

How did attacking the compound solve the problem of hundreds of guns there?

You break down the group by arresting smaller groups and then charge them

With what? YOu can't charge them unless you have evidence. These were white people. You need actual evidence. It's in the rule book.

Yes, you arrest the suspects first, and THEN go into the crack house. If children are in the crack house, you don't attack the house.

Right. leave the kids in the crack house. That will work..

Bullshit. Try a real source for a change:

You have your source, I have mine. They link to every death...

You seem to keep shoveling the same bullshit over and over again regardless how many times I proved you wrong. The officer seen a real gun. Need the picture, I'll post it again for the 50th time since you liberals are so Fn slow.

again, gun wasn't out where anyone could see it. Cleveland paid out millions of dollars because they knew they couldn't find 12 people as stupid and racist as you are to buy that horseshit.

Koresh was a hostage situation, Rice was not. Koresh was not an immediate threat to police officers, Rice was.

With a BB Gun? That wasn't even in his hand?

As opposed to Koresh who MURDERED FOUR ATF AGENTS and went on to kill all his followers.

But remember, kiddies, Koresh was white.

SO not a threat, obviously.

What's with this racism bull shit?

Janet and the ATF attacked U.S. citizens

Comprehend?

It could of been real peaceful

But Janet was under orders from Bill ...


So much waste..

 

[candycorn]

More lies by the Government, a Government agency that stone walled the Congress and purposefully hid evidence from them.

Great. Now you're a conspiracy theorist.

Trump Derangement Syndrome.

You're now free to reject anyone else's reality and insert one of your own.

 

[danielpalos]

I am not claiming there is. You merely confuse, natural rights, with our Second Article of Amendment to our federal Constitution.

There are No natural rights secured by our Second Amendment.

Natural rights are recognized and secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process.

The militia has nothing to do with 2nd amendment rights except that to HAVE a militia the population must own possess and use firearms.

good thing you are retired.

the Second Amendment has every Thing to do, with the militia.

And the militia is NOT a requirement to own possess or use firearms as so ruled by the Supreme Court. The 2nd is an INDIVIDUAL right not connected to service in the militia.

Dear, there is no Second Amendment "liberty" without well regulated militia being involved.

There are no Individual rights secured in our Second Article of Amendment. Individual, natural rights, are recognized and secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process.

The Second Amendment is about an individual's Right to Bear Arms.

YOur denial of this simple and obvious fact just demonstrates the completeness of your dishonesty.

It is about what is necessary to the security of a free State. The unorganized militia, is not necessary or it would say it in our Second Amendment.

 

[danielpalos]

I am not claiming there is. You merely confuse, natural rights, with our Second Article of Amendment to our federal Constitution.

There are No natural rights secured by our Second Amendment.

Natural rights are recognized and secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process.

The militia has nothing to do with 2nd amendment rights except that to HAVE a militia the population must own possess and use firearms.

good thing you are retired.

the Second Amendment has every Thing to do, with the militia.

And the militia is NOT a requirement to own possess or use firearms as so ruled by the Supreme Court. The 2nd is an INDIVIDUAL right not connected to service in the militia.

Dear, there is no Second Amendment "liberty" without well regulated militia being involved.

There are no Individual rights secured in our Second Article of Amendment. Individual, natural rights, are recognized and secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process.

So no individual right to an abortion no individual right to the 5th amendment no individual right to be safe from search and seizure, shall I go on?

Our Second Amendment is not about Individual rights. It says so, in the first clause; not any form of Coincidence or Conspiracy.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The militia has nothing to do with 2nd amendment rights except that to HAVE a militia the population must own possess and use firearms.

good thing you are retired.

the Second Amendment has every Thing to do, with the militia.

And the militia is NOT a requirement to own possess or use firearms as so ruled by the Supreme Court. The 2nd is an INDIVIDUAL right not connected to service in the militia.

Dear, there is no Second Amendment "liberty" without well regulated militia being involved.

There are no Individual rights secured in our Second Article of Amendment. Individual, natural rights, are recognized and secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process.

So no individual right to an abortion no individual right to the 5th amendment no individual right to be safe from search and seizure, shall I go on?

Our Second Amendment is not about Individual rights. It says so, in the first clause, not any form of Coincidence or Conspiracy.

Wrong brain dead one the opening phrase is simply one of many reasons why INDIVIDUAL US Citizens have a protected right to own possess and use firearms as was CLEARLY stated by none other then the US Supreme Court. So arguing that the 2nd is not an individual right but a State right means you don't believe any amendment applies to the Individual bit rather to the States. Moron.

 

[danielpalos]

good thing you are retired.

the Second Amendment has every Thing to do, with the militia.

And the militia is NOT a requirement to own possess or use firearms as so ruled by the Supreme Court. The 2nd is an INDIVIDUAL right not connected to service in the militia.

Dear, there is no Second Amendment "liberty" without well regulated militia being involved.

There are no Individual rights secured in our Second Article of Amendment. Individual, natural rights, are recognized and secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process.

So no individual right to an abortion no individual right to the 5th amendment no individual right to be safe from search and seizure, shall I go on?

Our Second Amendment is not about Individual rights. It says so, in the first clause, not any form of Coincidence or Conspiracy.

Wrong brain dead one the opening phrase is simply one of many reasons why INDIVIDUAL US Citizens have a protected right to own possess and use firearms as was CLEARLY stated by none other then the US Supreme Court. So arguing that the 2nd is not an individual right but a State right means you don't believe any amendment applies to the Individual bit rather to the States. Moron.

It is about what is necessary to the security of a free State. The unorganized militia, is not necessary or it would say it in our Second Amendment.

 

[Dr Grump]

Trump Derangement Syndrome.
You're now free to reject anyone else's reality and insert one of your own.

LOL..an acolyte of the King of Fake News talking about lack of reality....too funny...

 

[candycorn]

The militia has nothing to do with 2nd amendment rights except that to HAVE a militia the population must own possess and use firearms.

good thing you are retired.

the Second Amendment has every Thing to do, with the militia.

And the militia is NOT a requirement to own possess or use firearms as so ruled by the Supreme Court. The 2nd is an INDIVIDUAL right not connected to service in the militia.

Dear, there is no Second Amendment "liberty" without well regulated militia being involved.

There are no Individual rights secured in our Second Article of Amendment. Individual, natural rights, are recognized and secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process.

So no individual right to an abortion no individual right to the 5th amendment no individual right to be safe from search and seizure, shall I go on?

Our Second Amendment is not about Individual rights. It says so, in the first clause; not any form of Coincidence or Conspiracy.

 

[JoeB131]

What's with this racism bull shit?

Janet and the ATF attacked U.S. citizens

Comprehend?

First of all, Janet Reno hadn't even been confirmed yet when the shootout with the ATF Happened, and the ATF wasn't under the auspices of Justice at that time.

Second, the ATF had a valid warrant to search the premises. there was no rationale for shooting at them.

It could of been real peaceful

But Janet was under orders from Bill ...


So much waste..

Not really. 76 less batshit cultists in the world? No great loss.

I mean, it is sad these people were so deluded they let Koresh molest their kids and then all committed mass suicide rather than see him go to prison.

But no great loss.

Exactly.. all the cops had to do is arrest David when he went out in the morning to eat breakfast..

Except he didn't go out every morning, and the point wasn't to arrest Koresh, it was to search the compound for illegal guns and drugs.

 

[miketx]

 

[miketx]

What's with this racism bull shit?

Janet and the ATF attacked U.S. citizens

Comprehend?

First of all, Janet Reno hadn't even been confirmed yet when the shootout with the ATF Happened, and the ATF wasn't under the auspices of Justice at that time.

Second, the ATF had a valid warrant to search the premises. there was no rationale for shooting at them.

It could of been real peaceful

But Janet was under orders from Bill ...


So much waste..

Not really. 76 less batshit cultists in the world? No great loss.

I mean, it is sad these people were so deluded they let Koresh molest their kids and then all committed mass suicide rather than see him go to prison.

But no great loss.

Exactly.. all the cops had to do is arrest David when he went out in the morning to eat breakfast..

Except he didn't go out every morning, and the point wasn't to arrest Koresh, it was to search the compound for illegal guns and drugs.

Why do swallow everything the media feeds you?