Texas "fetal heartbeat" law to be NATIONAL MODEL

[initforme]

It's time to make a huge push to encourage more contraception so less babies are conceived. That would do nothing but help the nation. Plus it helps drop abortion to near zero.

 

[buttercup]

Well that's what collectivism is. It encourages Americans to adopt a group mentality. To view Individuals who share superficial characteristics solely as members of groups tather than as Individuals.

Modern liberalism is a byproduct of the same collectivist thinking which characterizes racism.

You're absolutely right. I never really looked at the proabort position in that way, but it is collectivist, now that I think about it.

And also "might makes right." Which is also how mankind acts towards animals, but I digress.

 

[Crepitus]

If that part is held up by SCOTUS, we're fucked.

Speak for yourself. I've got a dozen suits on various different things and people qued up and ready to be filed. Conservatives better watch out.

 

[initforme]

Time to buy stock in contraceptives the sales are going to be record high.

 

[irosie91]

A heartbeat by definition requires a heart. Of which one does not exist at 6 weeks.

true----the law resorts to poetry----the "HEARTBEAT" in a fetus
is a pulsating blood vessel

 

[lantern2814]

Most do, and then you have your Rand Paul non-science docs that are more into butt hunches than they are facts.

Best keep your mouth shut derpster. YOUR saint Fraudi is more into lying and creating viral bioweapons than he is facts and the truth.

 

[Natural Citizen]

You're absolutely right. I never really looked at the proabort position in that way, but it is collectivist, now that I think about it.

And also "might makes right." Which is also how mankind acts towards animals, but I digress.

Ultimately it's about abolishing any notion of Individual responsibility in an effort to encourage Americans to adopt the idea of always looking to the federal government to arbitrate group claims rather than protcting Individual liberty as the Framers intended.

They don't really care bout the life involved here. Not really. They're Federalists who are hell bent on destroying states rights. Nothing more. They're trustees in central government. The fact that states hold the majority of authority over the central government is what they're mad about.

 

[lantern2814]

Thank you for the laugh. LOL, Seriously. I needed it.

I learned a very long time ago that there is no reasoning with people like the one you replied to.

I also learned providing honest and credible proof of things to them is a waste of time.

The coward speaks while avoiding actual debate where she’d get her ass handed to her because Dana is nothing but a lying pig who loves seeing children die so she can virtue signal.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Most people that support abortions will entertain no compromises.

This is a lie.

No one ‘supports’ abortions.

It’s perfectly appropriate and consistent to oppose abortion while supporting a woman’s right to privacy and limiting the authority of the state to dictate to citizens whether they may have a child or not.

Indeed, the Roe Court held that after the second trimester the state was at liberty to prohibit abortions, except when the mother’s health was at risk.

 

[initforme]

Some complain about a lower birthrate and that it is somehow bad. Well now you will be able to cry and whine about it. The fact that it's bad is fake news.

 

[lantern2814]

That is what I thought too.

Let them do this. Let them pass this law in as many republican controlled states as they want.

All it will do is harm and kill women and cause very few republicans to ever be able to be elected dog catcher much less a representative of the people on either the state or federal level.

Our nation will benefit greatly if republicans are reduced to levels that they can't harm or take rights from people in our nation again.

Lying again Karen. Enjoy the Republican landslides in the mid terms.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Seems just as reasonable to allow anyone to sue gun owners if constitutionally protected rights are on the table.

Actually not – being as wrong and reprehensible as conservatives isn’t the answer.

 

[Flash]

 

[Flash]

This is a lie.

No one ‘supports’ abortions.

It’s perfectly appropriate and consistent to oppose abortion while supporting a woman’s right to privacy and limiting the authority of the state to dictate to citizens whether they may have a child or not.

Indeed, the Roe Court held that after the second trimester the state was at liberty to prohibit abortions, except when the mother’s health was at risk.

That is bullshit double talk.

If you think it be legal for a woman to kill her child for the sake of convenience then you sure as hell support abortion.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Irrelevant. You proaborts sound so backwards and unscientific when you keep trying to claim that viability is what determines our humanity.

Whatever determines our humanity or at what point life begins are questions individuals alone are at liberty to consider for themselves.

These are questions appropriate in the context of morality, ethics, and religion.

These are not questions within the purview of the state, however – government has no authority to make such determinations, nor should it.

And denying women their right to privacy is an example of the state going beyond its authority.

 

[Grumblenuts]

This is a lie.

No one ‘supports’ abortions.

It’s perfectly appropriate and consistent to oppose abortion while supporting a woman’s right to privacy and limiting the authority of the state to dictate to citizens whether they may have a child or not.

Indeed, the Roe Court held that after the second trimester the state was at liberty to prohibit abortions, except when the mother’s health was at risk.

Yes, women should be entitled to decide for themselves privately and the state should have no standing regarding abortion. Women's consultations with specialists or doctors should also be protected and totally optional.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

OK. And?

And consistent with the Constitution the state has no authority to ‘ban’ abortion at such an early stage of the pregnancy.

“But it’s still human life, to destroy it at any stage of the pregnancy is the destruction of human life.”

As a matter of morality, ethics, or religion – not as a matter of law.

If one believes that abortion at any point in a pregnancy is the destruction of a human life, he’s at liberty to seek out a solution to end the practice – no one opposes that – provided the solution is consistent with the Constitution.

 

[Rawley]

And consistent with the Constitution the state has no authority to ‘ban’ abortion at such an early stage of the pregnancy.

And this law doesn't ban abortion, which you presumably know - hence the single quotes.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Ultimately it's about abolishing any notion of Individual responsibility in an effort to encourage Americans to adopt the idea of always looking to the federal government to arbitrate group claims rather than protcting Individual liberty as the Framers intended.

They don't really care bout the life involved here. Not really. They're Federalists who are hell bent on destroying states rights. Nothing more. They're trustees in central government. The fact that states hold the majority of authority over the central government is what they're mad about.

Advocating that the states compel women to give birth against their will through force of law is to advocate for the destruction of individual liberty, contrary to the Framers’ intent.

The states never had the ‘right’ to violate the rights and protected liberties of American citizens who might reside in the states; government excess and overreach at the expense of individual liberty is repugnant to the Constitution at all levels – Federal, state, and local.

Indeed, it’s the states which have exhibited the greatest contempt for citizens’ rights and liberties.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

And this law doesn't ban abortion, which you presumably know - hence the single quotes.

We all agree that abortion is bad, wrong, and should be ended.

Certainly as a nation we can find a way to achieve that goal.

Why is ‘banning’ abortion the only ‘solution’ advocated for when in fact it’s no solution at all.