Terri Schiavo's Husband: Jeb Bush 'Put Me Through Hell'

[ChrisL]

No, her feeding tube was disconnected and she was starved to death. Why do you want this woman to be dead anyway? Why would you argue against her loved ones wishes for her death? It's just weird. Most people feel the opposite, I think. If she was brain dead, I would agree. She is no longer present and not able to perform any kind of functions on her own, but she was NOT brain dead. We can't just kill people because they have brain damage without a living will!!!

I agree with Michael Schiavo's choice because I would not want to be kept alive in her condition either. Almost everyone I've heard weigh in on that matter has said they would not want to be kept alive.

If you don't believe in an afterlife, feel that she was not cognizant of anything that was happening, then who does it harm to let her parents take her home and care for her? NO ONE.

Because almost no one wants to be kept alive in that state. Just because modern medicine provides the ability to keep a body alive doesn't mean it's the right thing to to. Taxidermists have the ability to preserve a body for parents who can't deal with their departed children so they can prop them up in a room, that doesn't make that right either.

You can't speak for others, especially if they don't have a living will.

Umm, I didn't speak for anyone but myself.

Oh, I know who was "harmed" by her being alive . . . her husband who wanted her gone so he could forget about her and move on with his life. That is the bottom line here. Her husband was a cold-hearted snake, like so many people posting here on this thread. Cold, cold, cold.

You think like a child. Had it been my wife, who would not want to live that way, I would have pulled the plug myself, or not stopped until it was.

Good for you. You should be proud.

I am. You have a problem understanding that there are worse things than death, much worse.

You don't know how Terry felt. You have no clue. Her parents visited her every day.

Terri felt nothing. Again, she was in a persistent vegetative state.

Sorry but you are wrong. Witnesses who were there when she was dying said she was in pain.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

I agree with Michael Schiavo's choice because I would not want to be kept alive in her condition either. Almost everyone I've heard weigh in on that matter has said they would not want to be kept alive.

If you don't believe in an afterlife, feel that she was not cognizant of anything that was happening, then who does it harm to let her parents take her home and care for her? NO ONE.

Because almost no one wants to be kept alive in that state. Just because modern medicine provides the ability to keep a body alive doesn't mean it's the right thing to to. Taxidermists have the ability to preserve a body for parents who can't deal with their departed children so they can prop them up in a room, that doesn't make that right either.

You can't speak for others, especially if they don't have a living will.

Umm, I didn't speak for anyone but myself.

You think like a child. Had it been my wife, who would not want to live that way, I would have pulled the plug myself, or not stopped until it was.

Good for you. You should be proud.

I am. You have a problem understanding that there are worse things than death, much worse.

You don't know how Terry felt. You have no clue. Her parents visited her every day.

Terri felt nothing. Again, she was in a persistent vegetative state.

Sorry but you are wrong. Witnesses who were there when she was dying said she was in pain.

We have an easy fix so we don't have to worry about such things, but we can't get you guys to grow up so we can't use it.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

There are also many catholics who use birth control. There are many catholics who let a fetus die to save the mother.

Both of which are against catholic teachings and rules.

Bullshit. The first one is, the second one is not. Catholic mothers are not required to endanger their lives in childbirth.

Stop lying, Leftists!

There are many Catholics who have abortions for all sorts of reasons.

Catholics for Choice

They aren't real Catholics just like Nancy Pelosi. Beliefs are not optional for Catholics. We uphold the teachings of the Catholic Church or we lose our state of grace and communion with the Universal Church. That couldn't have been made more clear in the Council of Trent. According to the Church, anyone who procures, participates in, or advocates an abortion has committed a mortal sin and is in danger of eternal loss unless they repent. There is no ambiguity about abortion in the Catholic Church.

What is a real Catholic has a funny definition, it keeps changing...

No it's actually very consistent. Unlike Protesants, the Catholic Church has a catechism, clearly spelled out beliefs. To depart from the teachings of the Church is to be in schism and out of communion with the Church. This isn't complicated.

If you knew the history of your faith you'd know how many positions it has taken, and changed.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You think like a child. Had it been my wife, who would not want to live that way, I would have pulled the plug myself, or not stopped until it was.

Good for you. You should be proud.

I am. You have a problem understanding that there are worse things than death, much worse.

You don't know how Terry felt. You have no clue. Her parents visited her every day.

Her husband knows how she felt, before she was dead before she hit the floor. Life can be brutal, start dealing with it like an adult, not a child.

Really? You think that conversation really took place? Most people shy away from such morbid topics because it's human nature to not want to face one's mortality. And Mikey had a motivation to lie. If the judge were fair he would have rejected such tainted testimony, but in truth he was just like the rest of you death worshippers and just wanted to kill this woman.

My wife and I have spoken of it many times. If you weren't such a child you'd do the same, and also know that many couples do.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Good for you. You should be proud.

I am. You have a problem understanding that there are worse things than death, much worse.

You don't know how Terry felt. You have no clue. Her parents visited her every day.

Her husband knows how she felt, before she was dead before she hit the floor. Life can be brutal, start dealing with it like an adult, not a child.

Really? You think that conversation really took place? Most people shy away from such morbid topics because it's human nature to not want to face one's mortality. And Mikey had a motivation to lie. If the judge were fair he would have rejected such tainted testimony, but in truth he was just like the rest of you death worshippers and just wanted to kill this woman.

My wife and I have spoken of it many times. If you weren't such a child you'd do the same, and also know that many couples do.

Was it just a conversation or did you put it to paper? Conversations you claim to have occurred are very convenient when you plan to finish off your wife after the first attempt failed. If the judge is pro death like you, he'll believe you even if you have a motive to lie.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Bullshit. The first one is, the second one is not. Catholic mothers are not required to endanger their lives in childbirth.

Stop lying, Leftists!

There are many Catholics who have abortions for all sorts of reasons.

Catholics for Choice

They aren't real Catholics just like Nancy Pelosi. Beliefs are not optional for Catholics. We uphold the teachings of the Catholic Church or we lose our state of grace and communion with the Universal Church. That couldn't have been made more clear in the Council of Trent. According to the Church, anyone who procures, participates in, or advocates an abortion has committed a mortal sin and is in danger of eternal loss unless they repent. There is no ambiguity about abortion in the Catholic Church.

What is a real Catholic has a funny definition, it keeps changing...

No it's actually very consistent. Unlike Protesants, the Catholic Church has a catechism, clearly spelled out beliefs. To depart from the teachings of the Church is to be in schism and out of communion with the Church. This isn't complicated.

If you knew the history of your faith you'd know how many positions it has taken, and changed.

When has it changed any teaching?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

There are many Catholics who have abortions for all sorts of reasons.

Catholics for Choice

They aren't real Catholics just like Nancy Pelosi. Beliefs are not optional for Catholics. We uphold the teachings of the Catholic Church or we lose our state of grace and communion with the Universal Church. That couldn't have been made more clear in the Council of Trent. According to the Church, anyone who procures, participates in, or advocates an abortion has committed a mortal sin and is in danger of eternal loss unless they repent. There is no ambiguity about abortion in the Catholic Church.

What is a real Catholic has a funny definition, it keeps changing...

No it's actually very consistent. Unlike Protesants, the Catholic Church has a catechism, clearly spelled out beliefs. To depart from the teachings of the Church is to be in schism and out of communion with the Church. This isn't complicated.

If you knew the history of your faith you'd know how many positions it has taken, and changed.

When has it changed any teaching?

Start with Abortion, ownership of a Bible, Interest, Indulgences, Vatican II, Purgatory, and a list of others things it would take hours to list. Just to keep it simple, start with Ensoulment and Quickening, which made early abortion perfectly acceptable once: Ensoulment - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

They aren't real Catholics just like Nancy Pelosi. Beliefs are not optional for Catholics. We uphold the teachings of the Catholic Church or we lose our state of grace and communion with the Universal Church. That couldn't have been made more clear in the Council of Trent. According to the Church, anyone who procures, participates in, or advocates an abortion has committed a mortal sin and is in danger of eternal loss unless they repent. There is no ambiguity about abortion in the Catholic Church.

What is a real Catholic has a funny definition, it keeps changing...

No it's actually very consistent. Unlike Protesants, the Catholic Church has a catechism, clearly spelled out beliefs. To depart from the teachings of the Church is to be in schism and out of communion with the Church. This isn't complicated.

If you knew the history of your faith you'd know how many positions it has taken, and changed.

When has it changed any teaching?

Start with Abortion, ownership of a Bible, Interest, Indulgences, Vatican II, Purgatory, and a list of others things it would take hours to list. Just to keep it simple, start with Ensoulment and Quickening, which made early abortion perfectly acceptable once: Ensoulment - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

From your source:

Throughout Christianity's two thousand year history, this same doctrine of condemning all direct abortions has been constantly taught by the Fathers of the Church and by her Pastors and Doctors

Idiot.

 

[Dante]

The Rabbi

Who?
WHo the **** cares?
The only--ONLY--reason you give a shit is because with Mitt out Jeb looks like the RINO choice, so you have to dig up some shit about some woman from 20 years ago that no one, including you, really give a **** about. Using other people's tragedies for your advatnage. Yup, you're a lib.
**********.

Shame on you!

You hateful faux Rabbi​

 

[Dante]

I've pondered the thought "Is Jeb worthy of consideration of a vote?"

This settles it.

CLEARWATER, Fla.—Sitting recently on his brick back patio here, Michael Schiavo called Jeb Bush a vindictive, untrustworthy coward.

For years, the self-described “average Joe” felt harassed, targeted and tormented by the most important person in the state.

“It was a living hell,” he said, “and I blame him.”

Michael Schiavo was the husband of Terri Schiavo, the brain-dead woman from the Tampa Bay area who ended up at the center of one of the most contentious, drawn-out conflicts in the history of America’s culture wars. The fight over her death lasted almost a decade. It started as a private legal back-and-forth between her husband and her parents. Before it ended, it moved from circuit courts to district courts to state courts to federal courts, to the U.S. Supreme Court, from the state legislature in Tallahassee to Congress in Washington. The president got involved. So did the pope.

But it never would have become what it became if not for the dogged intervention of the governor of Florida at the time, the second son of the 41st president, the younger brother of the 43rd, the man who sits near the top of the extended early list of likely 2016 Republican presidential candidates. On sustained, concentrated display, seen in thousands of pages of court records and hundreds of emails he sent, was Jeb the converted Catholic, Jeb the pro-life conservative, Jeb the hands-on workaholic, Jeb the all-hours emailer—confident, competitive, powerful, obstinate Jeb. Longtime watchers of John Ellis Bush say what he did throughout the Terri Schiavo case demonstrates how he would operate in the Oval Office. They say it’s the Jebbest thing Jeb’s ever done.

The case showed he “will pursue whatever he thinks is right, virtually forever,” said Aubrey Jewett, a political science professor at the University of Central Florida. “It’s a theme of Jeb’s governorship: He really pushed executive power to the limits.”

Read more: Jeb Put Me Through Hell - POLITICO Magazine

I remember this case very well. It was supreme government overreach by Governor Bush and President Bush.

thank you Lakhota

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

What is a real Catholic has a funny definition, it keeps changing...

No it's actually very consistent. Unlike Protesants, the Catholic Church has a catechism, clearly spelled out beliefs. To depart from the teachings of the Church is to be in schism and out of communion with the Church. This isn't complicated.

If you knew the history of your faith you'd know how many positions it has taken, and changed.

When has it changed any teaching?

Start with Abortion, ownership of a Bible, Interest, Indulgences, Vatican II, Purgatory, and a list of others things it would take hours to list. Just to keep it simple, start with Ensoulment and Quickening, which made early abortion perfectly acceptable once: Ensoulment - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

From your source:

Throughout Christianity's two thousand year history, this same doctrine of condemning all direct abortions has been constantly taught by the Fathers of the Church and by her Pastors and Doctors

Idiot.

Which is why subjective religious dogma is legally irrelevant – and thankfully so.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

No it's actually very consistent. Unlike Protesants, the Catholic Church has a catechism, clearly spelled out beliefs. To depart from the teachings of the Church is to be in schism and out of communion with the Church. This isn't complicated.

If you knew the history of your faith you'd know how many positions it has taken, and changed.

When has it changed any teaching?

Start with Abortion, ownership of a Bible, Interest, Indulgences, Vatican II, Purgatory, and a list of others things it would take hours to list. Just to keep it simple, start with Ensoulment and Quickening, which made early abortion perfectly acceptable once: Ensoulment - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

From your source:

Throughout Christianity's two thousand year history, this same doctrine of condemning all direct abortions has been constantly taught by the Fathers of the Church and by her Pastors and Doctors

Idiot.

Which is why subjective religious dogma is legally irrelevant – and thankfully so.

Apparently PMH thinks it's relevant because he keeps bringing it up.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

What is a real Catholic has a funny definition, it keeps changing...

No it's actually very consistent. Unlike Protesants, the Catholic Church has a catechism, clearly spelled out beliefs. To depart from the teachings of the Church is to be in schism and out of communion with the Church. This isn't complicated.

If you knew the history of your faith you'd know how many positions it has taken, and changed.

When has it changed any teaching?

Start with Abortion, ownership of a Bible, Interest, Indulgences, Vatican II, Purgatory, and a list of others things it would take hours to list. Just to keep it simple, start with Ensoulment and Quickening, which made early abortion perfectly acceptable once: Ensoulment - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

From your source:

Throughout Christianity's two thousand year history, this same doctrine of condemning all direct abortions has been constantly taught by the Fathers of the Church and by her Pastors and Doctors

Just one slight problem, that isn't actually true.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

No it's actually very consistent. Unlike Protesants, the Catholic Church has a catechism, clearly spelled out beliefs. To depart from the teachings of the Church is to be in schism and out of communion with the Church. This isn't complicated.

If you knew the history of your faith you'd know how many positions it has taken, and changed.

When has it changed any teaching?

Start with Abortion, ownership of a Bible, Interest, Indulgences, Vatican II, Purgatory, and a list of others things it would take hours to list. Just to keep it simple, start with Ensoulment and Quickening, which made early abortion perfectly acceptable once: Ensoulment - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

From your source:

Throughout Christianity's two thousand year history, this same doctrine of condemning all direct abortions has been constantly taught by the Fathers of the Church and by her Pastors and Doctors

Just one slight problem, that isn't actually true.

IT WAS YOUR SOURCE, YOU TRIPLE DUMB-**** DELIGHT!

 

[PaintMyHouse]

If you knew the history of your faith you'd know how many positions it has taken, and changed.

When has it changed any teaching?

Start with Abortion, ownership of a Bible, Interest, Indulgences, Vatican II, Purgatory, and a list of others things it would take hours to list. Just to keep it simple, start with Ensoulment and Quickening, which made early abortion perfectly acceptable once: Ensoulment - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

From your source:

Throughout Christianity's two thousand year history, this same doctrine of condemning all direct abortions has been constantly taught by the Fathers of the Church and by her Pastors and Doctors

Just one slight problem, that isn't actually true.

IT WAS YOUR SOURCE, YOU TRIPLE DUMB-**** DELIGHT!

Dummy, what you quoted was from the Pope, and it's wrong. Out a whole page of text you avoided the truth and picked one line. Just another lying Catholic.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

When has it changed any teaching?

Start with Abortion, ownership of a Bible, Interest, Indulgences, Vatican II, Purgatory, and a list of others things it would take hours to list. Just to keep it simple, start with Ensoulment and Quickening, which made early abortion perfectly acceptable once: Ensoulment - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

From your source:

Throughout Christianity's two thousand year history, this same doctrine of condemning all direct abortions has been constantly taught by the Fathers of the Church and by her Pastors and Doctors

Just one slight problem, that isn't actually true.

IT WAS YOUR SOURCE, YOU TRIPLE DUMB-**** DELIGHT!

Dummy, what you quoted was from the Pope, and it's wrong. Out a whole page of text you avoided the truth and picked one line. Just another lying Catholic.

Ok, you're an unrelenting horse's ass and I'm not discussing this any further with you.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Start with Abortion, ownership of a Bible, Interest, Indulgences, Vatican II, Purgatory, and a list of others things it would take hours to list. Just to keep it simple, start with Ensoulment and Quickening, which made early abortion perfectly acceptable once: Ensoulment - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

From your source:

Throughout Christianity's two thousand year history, this same doctrine of condemning all direct abortions has been constantly taught by the Fathers of the Church and by her Pastors and Doctors

Just one slight problem, that isn't actually true.

IT WAS YOUR SOURCE, YOU TRIPLE DUMB-**** DELIGHT!

Dummy, what you quoted was from the Pope, and it's wrong. Out a whole page of text you avoided the truth and picked one line. Just another lying Catholic.

Ok, you're an unrelenting horse's ass and I'm not discussing this any further with you.

Of course you aren't, because you'd learn that you are wrong and the church allowed for abortion at times, if it was before Ensoulment. Their views on Slavery are even more fun, another thing they were once fine with.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

And of course the Schiavo case had nothing to do with 'abortion,' that some on the social right are attempting now to reconstitute that lie is as shameful today as it was more then ten years ago when Bush attempted to do the same thing.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

And of course the Schiavo case had nothing to do with 'abortion,' that some on the social right are attempting now to reconstitute that lie is as shameful today as it was more then ten years ago when Bush attempted to do the same thing.

It has everything to do with abortion. When life is devalued, it kills the nearly bred and the nearly dead alike.

 

[ChrisL]

And of course the Schiavo case had nothing to do with 'abortion,' that some on the social right are attempting now to reconstitute that lie is as shameful today as it was more then ten years ago when Bush attempted to do the same thing.

It has everything to do with abortion. When life is devalued, it kills the nearly bred and the nearly dead alike.

I was just about to ask you what it had to do with abortion. Great answer.