Ted Cruz nails it on common sense gun control....

[Taz]

Could be a good first step, but other stuff will be needed. Like making the owner responsible for what his gun is used for if he lends it to someone. Someone who gets his gun stolen is barred from ever buying guns again. Put a limit on how many bullet one can buy in a year. If you target shoot, maybe you could buy more rounds at the shooting range, but you'd have to shoot them all right there. Get rid of AR-15s and the like. No guns show sales, all sales need to go through a dealer. ...

Yes! You are responsible if they are stolen. We can then pass the 'you are responsible for wearing that short skirt law right after'....

This outlines how asinine these ideas are - you want to make the victim legally liable for what the criminal does. That is beyond idiotic.

Then you go on with utterly banning the most popular guns in the US because they are used in a minuscule fraction of the gun deaths. And a limit on bullets? LOL. You realize many avid gun shooters actually make their own?

This is born out of ignorance around actual gun use and ownership.

So what’s your plan?

 

[2aguy]

Could be a good first step, but other stuff will be needed. Like making the owner responsible for what his gun is used for if he lends it to someone. Someone who gets his gun stolen is barred from ever buying guns again. Put a limit on how many bullet one can buy in a year. If you target shoot, maybe you could buy more rounds at the shooting range, but you'd have to shoot them all right there. Get rid of AR-15s and the like. No guns show sales, all sales need to go through a dealer. ...

Yes! You are responsible if they are stolen. We can then pass the 'you are responsible for wearing that short skirt law right after'....

This outlines how asinine these ideas are - you want to make the victim legally liable for what the criminal does. That is beyond idiotic.

Then you go on with utterly banning the most popular guns in the US because they are used in a minuscule fraction of the gun deaths. And a limit on bullets? LOL. You realize many avid gun shooters actually make their own?

This is born out of ignorance around actual gun use and ownership.

Miniscule doesn't even capture it....

18 million AR-15s in the U.S....

3 were used in mass public shootings this year...

 

[2aguy]

You didn't pull the trigger...same thing if you lend your car to someone who goes to a bar, and gets drunk and drives.......

First of all, if you lend your car and they smash it, your insurance is paying, so you are responsible. Secondly, a gun is very deadly, so not like lending someone a sweater ... And people shouldn't even be lending their guns out. Maybe the person isn't allowed to have guns... You wouldn't even know.

The person who pulls the trigger gets arrested...it really is that simple. If you knowingly sell to a felon, then you can be arrested. The felon already knows they can't buy, own or carry a gun, and we have laws that already allow us to arrest them when they are caught.

You should use your time to tell democrat judges to stop letting repeat gun offenders out of jail on bond, and out of prison on short sentences...you know, the actual criminals who use illegal guns for crime...

Why do they keep doing that?

There should be no lending, it's that simple. If you can't get your own gun, and have to borrow one, that says a lot right there.

No, moron......"Hey, I see you have the new Sig Saur .....could I borrow it, I want to try it out before I decide to get one..."

You moron.

Ok, then go to a firing range with him and let him try it, as you're still responsible for your own gun.

Wrong, there is no reason to not lend your gun if you know the individual....it started out with private gun sales, now you don't want to allow loaning guns to people you know......that slippery slope isn't a myth, it is a tried and true tactic of people like you.

 

[progressive hunter]

Cruz explains the democrats to a "T" and then goes on to propose actual reforms that will help lower crime.......

Two of the ideas...... long prison sentences, and giving access to the Federal background Database, are my ideas too......

LISTEN: Cruz Urges Republicans Not To Cave On Second Amendment; Warns Of ‘Mandatory Gun Confiscation’ Proposals From Dem Candidates

The Democrats’ proposal would not have prevented any of these mass murders. We ought to be focusing seriously, substantively on how you stop these horrific crimes – and what they’re proposing wouldn’t do it. What I’m proposing has a far greater likelihood of preventing these kinds of crimes.

Not only that. Democratic gun confiscation proposals, which are getting more and more common – and by the way, when it comes to gun confiscation on the Left, it starts with so-called "assault rifles," but the next step is handguns. Now, at this point, I expect people around the room to snicker and say, "Come on! That’s ridiculous. They’ll never go to handguns." Just remember that in about 24 months when we see them pushing for handgun confiscation – they have not yet proposed it, but that is, I believe, their ultimate goal ... full confiscation – that would cost lives.

According to a press release from Sen. Chuck Grassley's official website, the Grassley-Cruz legislation would (the following bullet points are taken verbatim from Grassley's website):

• Improve and reauthorize grants for NICS database;

• Increase federal prosecution of gun violence by establishing the Nationwide Project Exile Program and establishing a high-level federal taskforce;

• Responsibly addresses gun violence by criminalizing straw purchasing of firearms and gun trafficking;

• Protect the Second Amendment rights of members of the armed forces;

• Require the Department of Justice to explain to Congress why it has or has not been prosecuting gun cases;

• Place limitations on operations like Fast and Furious by DOJ;

• Allow firearms dealers to utilize the NICS database to for voluntary background checks of employees; and

• Allow firearms dealers to access the FBI’s National Crime Information Center stolen-gun database to ensure that a firearm is not stolen prior to acquisition.

so cruz is anti 2nd amendment,,,
well he is a republucan

 

[progressive hunter]

Could be a good first step, but other stuff will be needed. Like making the owner responsible for what his gun is used for if he lends it to someone. Someone who gets his gun stolen is barred from ever buying guns again. Put a limit on how many bullet one can buy in a year. If you target shoot, maybe you could buy more rounds at the shooting range, but you'd have to shoot them all right there. Get rid of AR-15s and the like. No guns show sales, all sales need to go through a dealer. ...

Wow......you just posted a pile of crap....

Why do you always go after the people who didn't commit any crime while voting for a political party that keeps letting actual criminals out of jail?

Nothing you just posted would stop criminals or mass shooters.....your only target is normal gun owners...who don't commit any crimes with their guns.......

And knives kill more people every single year than AR-15s do.....do you want to get rid of knives too? How about cars......? They kill more than AR-15 rifles.......403 dead by all rifles, 38,000 by car....can you see the difference in numbers....?

Gun show sales go through a dealer you mope......please....know the issue before you post...calling you a twit, a mope, a dipstick takes up a lot of time......

So what's wrong with being responsible for your own guns, even if you lend them?

should the same thing apply if you loan your car to someone and they commit a crime with it??

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Could be a good first step, but other stuff will be needed. Like making the owner responsible for what his gun is used for if he lends it to someone. Someone who gets his gun stolen is barred from ever buying guns again. Put a limit on how many bullet one can buy in a year. If you target shoot, maybe you could buy more rounds at the shooting range, but you'd have to shoot them all right there. Get rid of AR-15s and the like. No guns show sales, all sales need to go through a dealer. ...

Yeah you can fuck off with all that.

No more guns if one is stolen? How stupid is that? If we did that with everything look at all the things you’d never get to have again such as a bike, a girlfriend or your dignity.

If you're not responsible enough not to get your guns stolen, well wtf do you expect?

So how many guns have you had "stolen"?

Another prime example of why the left are idiots. Once again you’re for punishing an innocent person. Never mind it’s illegal to steal your solution is to go after the crime victim.

 

[progressive hunter]

Could be a good first step, but other stuff will be needed. Like making the owner responsible for what his gun is used for if he lends it to someone. Someone who gets his gun stolen is barred from ever buying guns again. Put a limit on how many bullet one can buy in a year. If you target shoot, maybe you could buy more rounds at the shooting range, but you'd have to shoot them all right there. Get rid of AR-15s and the like. No guns show sales, all sales need to go through a dealer. ...

Wow......you just posted a pile of crap....

Why do you always go after the people who didn't commit any crime while voting for a political party that keeps letting actual criminals out of jail?

Nothing you just posted would stop criminals or mass shooters.....your only target is normal gun owners...who don't commit any crimes with their guns.......

And knives kill more people every single year than AR-15s do.....do you want to get rid of knives too? How about cars......? They kill more than AR-15 rifles.......403 dead by all rifles, 38,000 by car....can you see the difference in numbers....?

Gun show sales go through a dealer you mope......please....know the issue before you post...calling you a twit, a mope, a dipstick takes up a lot of time......

So what's wrong with being responsible for your own guns, even if you lend them?

should the same thing apply if you loan your car to someone and they commit a crime with it??

Start thread and see what happens.

start a thread on what???

just answer the question

 

[pknopp]

Trump expected to announce gun control legislation this week.

Trump expected to announce gun control legislation this week. But the substance of it is a mystery

Not that I expect him to follow up on anything.

 

[FA_Q2]

Could be a good first step, but other stuff will be needed. Like making the owner responsible for what his gun is used for if he lends it to someone. Someone who gets his gun stolen is barred from ever buying guns again. Put a limit on how many bullet one can buy in a year. If you target shoot, maybe you could buy more rounds at the shooting range, but you'd have to shoot them all right there. Get rid of AR-15s and the like. No guns show sales, all sales need to go through a dealer. ...

Yes! You are responsible if they are stolen. We can then pass the 'you are responsible for wearing that short skirt law right after'....

This outlines how asinine these ideas are - you want to make the victim legally liable for what the criminal does. That is beyond idiotic.

Then you go on with utterly banning the most popular guns in the US because they are used in a minuscule fraction of the gun deaths. And a limit on bullets? LOL. You realize many avid gun shooters actually make their own?

This is born out of ignorance around actual gun use and ownership.

So what’s your plan?

So that is your answer? You put a bunch of unconstitutional, ineffective and extreme measures and you defend them with but what would YOU do? Again, this speaks volumes as to the logical basis of your stance.

 

[Brain357]

Could be a good first step, but other stuff will be needed. Like making the owner responsible for what his gun is used for if he lends it to someone. Someone who gets his gun stolen is barred from ever buying guns again. Put a limit on how many bullet one can buy in a year. If you target shoot, maybe you could buy more rounds at the shooting range, but you'd have to shoot them all right there. Get rid of AR-15s and the like. No guns show sales, all sales need to go through a dealer. ...

My plan works.....yours does nothing....and the magic of my plan, it works without doing any of the silly things you want to do that do nothing to stop criminals or mass shooters...

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....
Mass shooters

1) end gun free zones

2) get the media to stop covering mass shootings like it is the Oscars.....

3) We are already seeing this...get people who know these nuts to report these nuts....

4) Make sure the police who know these nuts arrest these nuts when they have the chance so they will pop on background checks....
What does each do to stop mass shooters....

1) keeps shooters from targeting people, since they target gun free zones.

2) The media not covering it like they are the criminal oscars deters copycats...just like they stopped covering teen suicides to stop the copycat effect

3) The only way to stop mass shooters, since they commit no other crime, is for family, coworkers and neighbors to report their violent behavior....the Odessa shooter should have felonies for the crimes he was committing but they didn't report his shooting his weapon from his front porch....

4) The Parkland shooter had 33 contacts with police and numerous contacts with police at his school.....due to Obama's "Promise Program" the police never arrested him for the felonies he committed....so he didn't pop on the background check..

Boy. The way you talk one would never guess we already have the FULLEST JAILS IN THE WORLD! And despite that we still have homicide rates 4-5 times higher than countries with strong gun control. Oh and have you noticed many mass killers are first time offenders? But they sure kill a lot of people really fast when they have a semi auto rifle with large capacity magazines...

 

[Brain357]

Could be a good first step, but other stuff will be needed. Like making the owner responsible for what his gun is used for if he lends it to someone. Someone who gets his gun stolen is barred from ever buying guns again. Put a limit on how many bullet one can buy in a year. If you target shoot, maybe you could buy more rounds at the shooting range, but you'd have to shoot them all right there. Get rid of AR-15s and the like. No guns show sales, all sales need to go through a dealer. ...

Yes! You are responsible if they are stolen. We can then pass the 'you are responsible for wearing that short skirt law right after'....

This outlines how asinine these ideas are - you want to make the victim legally liable for what the criminal does. That is beyond idiotic.

Then you go on with utterly banning the most popular guns in the US because they are used in a minuscule fraction of the gun deaths. And a limit on bullets? LOL. You realize many avid gun shooters actually make their own?

This is born out of ignorance around actual gun use and ownership.

Miniscule doesn't even capture it....

18 million AR-15s in the U.S....

3 were used in mass public shootings this year...

What the death count for 3 public shootings?

 

[rightwinger]

For crying out loud

We have 2.5 million in prison right now. More than anywhere in the world
It is NOT working!

 

[Brain357]

For crying out loud

We have 2.5 million in prison right now. More than anywhere in the world
It is NOT working!

Remember when more guns was going to solve all our crime problems? Strangely it hasn't....

 

[FA_Q2]

For crying out loud

We have 2.5 million in prison right now. More than anywhere in the world
It is NOT working!

Remember when more guns was going to solve all our crime problems? Strangely it hasn't....

I remember when less guns were supposed to as well.

That did not work out either. The truth is that gun control has almost no impact whatsoever on homicide rates. Ergo, you do not have the onus to pass more ineffectual legislation on the exercise of a protected right.

 

[Brain357]

For crying out loud

We have 2.5 million in prison right now. More than anywhere in the world
It is NOT working!

Remember when more guns was going to solve all our crime problems? Strangely it hasn't....

I remember when less guns were supposed to as well.

That did not work out either. The truth is that gun control has almost no impact whatsoever on homicide rates. Ergo, you do not have the onus to pass more ineffectual legislation on the exercise of a protected right.

It doesn't? I don't see countries with strong gun control suffering regular mass shootings. They also have homicide rates a fraction of ours. When bad people have easy access to dangerous weapons it is a bad thing.

 

[FA_Q2]

For crying out loud

We have 2.5 million in prison right now. More than anywhere in the world
It is NOT working!

Remember when more guns was going to solve all our crime problems? Strangely it hasn't....

I remember when less guns were supposed to as well.

That did not work out either. The truth is that gun control has almost no impact whatsoever on homicide rates. Ergo, you do not have the onus to pass more ineffectual legislation on the exercise of a protected right.

It doesn't? I don't see countries with strong gun control suffering regular mass shootings. They also have homicide rates a fraction of ours. When bad people have easy access to dangerous weapons it is a bad thing.

Yes, it does not and I have already posted extensive facts to you on this fact multiple times.

Those same nations see no change in homicide trends before and after major gun legislation passes.

 

[Brain357]

For crying out loud

We have 2.5 million in prison right now. More than anywhere in the world
It is NOT working!

Remember when more guns was going to solve all our crime problems? Strangely it hasn't....

I remember when less guns were supposed to as well.

That did not work out either. The truth is that gun control has almost no impact whatsoever on homicide rates. Ergo, you do not have the onus to pass more ineffectual legislation on the exercise of a protected right.

It doesn't? I don't see countries with strong gun control suffering regular mass shootings. They also have homicide rates a fraction of ours. When bad people have easy access to dangerous weapons it is a bad thing.

Yes, it does not and I have already posted extensive facts to you on this fact multiple times.

Those same nations see no change in homicide trends before and after major gun legislation passes.

Yes and the gun ownership rates in those countries were never extreme. They stopped the problem before it became a huge issue. Are you aware our police are shot and killed at a rate much higher than countries with strong gun control? They also shoot way more people. Every time a cop shoots his gun he's taken off the street, and they sure are removed when they get shot. You don't think cops removed from the streets leads to increased crime?

 

[Brain357]

For crying out loud

We have 2.5 million in prison right now. More than anywhere in the world
It is NOT working!

Remember when more guns was going to solve all our crime problems? Strangely it hasn't....

I remember when less guns were supposed to as well.

That did not work out either. The truth is that gun control has almost no impact whatsoever on homicide rates. Ergo, you do not have the onus to pass more ineffectual legislation on the exercise of a protected right.

It doesn't? I don't see countries with strong gun control suffering regular mass shootings. They also have homicide rates a fraction of ours. When bad people have easy access to dangerous weapons it is a bad thing.

Yes, it does not and I have already posted extensive facts to you on this fact multiple times.

Those same nations see no change in homicide trends before and after major gun legislation passes.

Why are we the only nation that suffers regular mass shootings? It is foolish to not assume it is easy access to guns. Even angry children get guns.

 

[FA_Q2]

For crying out loud

We have 2.5 million in prison right now. More than anywhere in the world
It is NOT working!

Remember when more guns was going to solve all our crime problems? Strangely it hasn't....

I remember when less guns were supposed to as well.

That did not work out either. The truth is that gun control has almost no impact whatsoever on homicide rates. Ergo, you do not have the onus to pass more ineffectual legislation on the exercise of a protected right.

It doesn't? I don't see countries with strong gun control suffering regular mass shootings. They also have homicide rates a fraction of ours. When bad people have easy access to dangerous weapons it is a bad thing.

Yes, it does not and I have already posted extensive facts to you on this fact multiple times.

Those same nations see no change in homicide trends before and after major gun legislation passes.

Why are we the only nation that suffers regular mass shootings? It is foolish to not assume it is easy access to guns. Even angry children get guns.

It is a culture problem. There are a lot of factors. Gun control simply is not one of them.

 

[FA_Q2]

For crying out loud

We have 2.5 million in prison right now. More than anywhere in the world
It is NOT working!

Remember when more guns was going to solve all our crime problems? Strangely it hasn't....

I remember when less guns were supposed to as well.

That did not work out either. The truth is that gun control has almost no impact whatsoever on homicide rates. Ergo, you do not have the onus to pass more ineffectual legislation on the exercise of a protected right.

It doesn't? I don't see countries with strong gun control suffering regular mass shootings. They also have homicide rates a fraction of ours. When bad people have easy access to dangerous weapons it is a bad thing.

Yes, it does not and I have already posted extensive facts to you on this fact multiple times.

Those same nations see no change in homicide trends before and after major gun legislation passes.

Yes and the gun ownership rates in those countries were never extreme. They stopped the problem before it became a huge issue. Are you aware our police are shot and killed at a rate much higher than countries with strong gun control? They also shoot way more people. Every time a cop shoots his gun he's taken off the street, and they sure are removed when they get shot. You don't think cops removed from the streets leads to increased crime?

Which does not negate the simple fact that gun control measures did not have a measurable impact on actual homicides.