Ted Cruz introduces "EL CHAPO Act" to pay for the wall

[toomuchtime_]

Senator Ted Cruz wants to use assets seized from drug lords such as El Chapo, the Mexican kingpin who was recently extradited to the U.S., to pay for border security and the border wall.

• The idea: U.S. prosecutors are seeking $14 billion in drug profits and other assets from El Chapo. They also routinely seize the assets of other drug dealers and traffickers.
• The Cruz quote: "Fourteen billion dollars will go a long way toward building a wall that will keep Americans safe and hinder the illegal flow of drugs, weapons, and individuals across our southern border."
• The acronym's meaning: Ensuring Lawful Collection of Hidden Assets to Provide Order
• Why it matters: President Trump is trying to figure out how to pay for his border wall, which will require American taxpayers to front the bill, but Republicans aren't helping at the moment.

Ted Cruz introduces "EL CHAPO Act" to pay for the wall

Great idea.

 

[busybee01]

Ted Cruz has sold out. A wall is a waste of money and conservatives should be against it when it can be done more cheaply. That money should go to reduce the deficit.

 

[edthecynic]

Senator Ted Cruz wants to use assets seized from drug lords such as El Chapo, the Mexican kingpin who was recently extradited to the U.S., to pay for border security and the border wall.

• The idea: U.S. prosecutors are seeking $14 billion in drug profits and other assets from El Chapo. They also routinely seize the assets of other drug dealers and traffickers.
• The Cruz quote: "Fourteen billion dollars will go a long way toward building a wall that will keep Americans safe and hinder the illegal flow of drugs, weapons, and individuals across our southern border."
• The acronym's meaning: Ensuring Lawful Collection of Hidden Assets to Provide Order
• Why it matters: President Trump is trying to figure out how to pay for his border wall, which will require American taxpayers to front the bill, but Republicans aren't helping at the moment.

Ted Cruz introduces "EL CHAPO Act" to pay for the wall

Except El Chapo has nowhere near $14 billion! The most he has ever been estimated to have is $1.4 billion, none of which has been seized by the US government yet, but what is a lousy decimal point in Right-wing fuzzy math land.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Ted Cruz has sold out. A wall is a waste of money and conservatives should be against it when it can be done more cheaply. That money should go to reduce the deficit.

The wall is a part of the solution and no one can find a reasonable solution to illegals crossing that border without it. It is conservatives who oppose the wall who have sold out.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Senator Ted Cruz wants to use assets seized from drug lords such as El Chapo, the Mexican kingpin who was recently extradited to the U.S., to pay for border security and the border wall.

• The idea: U.S. prosecutors are seeking $14 billion in drug profits and other assets from El Chapo. They also routinely seize the assets of other drug dealers and traffickers.
• The Cruz quote: "Fourteen billion dollars will go a long way toward building a wall that will keep Americans safe and hinder the illegal flow of drugs, weapons, and individuals across our southern border."
• The acronym's meaning: Ensuring Lawful Collection of Hidden Assets to Provide Order
• Why it matters: President Trump is trying to figure out how to pay for his border wall, which will require American taxpayers to front the bill, but Republicans aren't helping at the moment.

Ted Cruz introduces "EL CHAPO Act" to pay for the wall

Except El Chapo has nowhere near $14 billion! The most he has ever been estimated to have is $1.4 billion, none of which has been seized by the US government yet, but what is a lousy decimal point in Right-wing fuzzy math land.

So you agree with the bill in principle but believe the funds the US prosecutors are mistaken about how much money he has. The good news for you is that the title of the bill is an acronym for Ensuring Lawful Collection of Hidden Assets to Provide Order, and that it will include all funds recovered from other drug dealers and traffickers. I hope that will put your decimal point anxieties to rest.

 

[bendog]

What a novel idea. Seeking forfeiture of ill gained profits. Out of the box. It's a mystery why we've not done this before.

 

[bendog]

What a novel idea. Seeking forfeiture of ill gained profits. Out of the box. It's a mystery why we've not done this before.

Dude, I was being sarcastic.

18 U.S. Code § 981 - Civil forfeiture

 

[busybee01]

Ted Cruz has sold out. A wall is a waste of money and conservatives should be against it when it can be done more cheaply. That money should go to reduce the deficit.

The wall is a part of the solution and no one can find a reasonable solution to illegals crossing that border without it. It is conservatives who oppose the wall who have sold out.

There are plenty of people who have cheaper solutions and they can be implemented more quickly. Rudy Guliani has talked about how we can secure our borders without a wall. Again the government only controls around 30% of the land necessary for this. So-called conservatives who support a wall are phonies.

 

[toomuchtime_]

What a novel idea. Seeking forfeiture of ill gained profits. Out of the box. It's a mystery why we've not done this before.

Dude, I was being sarcastic.

Imagine that! The only time you get it right is when you think you are making a joke.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Ted Cruz has sold out. A wall is a waste of money and conservatives should be against it when it can be done more cheaply. That money should go to reduce the deficit.

The wall is a part of the solution and no one can find a reasonable solution to illegals crossing that border without it. It is conservatives who oppose the wall who have sold out.

There are plenty of people who have cheaper solutions and they can be implemented more quickly. Rudy Guliani has talked about how we can secure our borders without a wall. Again the government only controls around 30% of the land necessary for this. So-called conservatives who support a wall are phonies.

So, you don't know of any other way to secure our border? Whether it is a solid wall or a high tech fence, such barriers do work and no one has specified how they would prevent illegals from crossing our southern border without such a barrier.

 

[g5000]

El Chapo has $14 billion?

That makes him a greater businessman than Trump. Therefore, he should be President.

 

[g5000]

The idea: U.S. prosecutors are seeking $14 billion in drug profits and other assets from El Chapo. They also routinely seize the assets of other drug dealers and traffickers.

Wait, let me guess.

Instead of making Mexico pay for the wall, we will make Mexico turn over El Chapo's money.

I'm sure they'll get right on that.

 

[TNHarley]

Ted Cruz has sold out. A wall is a waste of money and conservatives should be against it when it can be done more cheaply. That money should go to reduce the deficit.

The wall is a part of the solution and no one can find a reasonable solution to illegals crossing that border without it. It is conservatives who oppose the wall who have sold out.

How about get rid of incentive? Dems wanting them for votes and repubs giving them amnesty and free healthcare and shit. We wouldn't need a fucking wall if we didn't give them incentive!
Go after CAUSES, not EFFECTS.

 

[g5000]

Uh oh.

New York and Illinois already called dibs on $21.6 billion of El Chapo's money last year: Quiere EU 21 mil mdd de ‘El Chapo’; proceso en 2 cortes

 

[TNHarley]

Senator Ted Cruz wants to use assets seized from drug lords such as El Chapo, the Mexican kingpin who was recently extradited to the U.S., to pay for border security and the border wall.

• The idea: U.S. prosecutors are seeking $14 billion in drug profits and other assets from El Chapo. They also routinely seize the assets of other drug dealers and traffickers.
• The Cruz quote: "Fourteen billion dollars will go a long way toward building a wall that will keep Americans safe and hinder the illegal flow of drugs, weapons, and individuals across our southern border."
• The acronym's meaning: Ensuring Lawful Collection of Hidden Assets to Provide Order
• Why it matters: President Trump is trying to figure out how to pay for his border wall, which will require American taxpayers to front the bill, but Republicans aren't helping at the moment.

Ted Cruz introduces "EL CHAPO Act" to pay for the wall

Except El Chapo has nowhere near $14 billion! The most he has ever been estimated to have is $1.4 billion, none of which has been seized by the US government yet, but what is a lousy decimal point in Right-wing fuzzy math land.

Read this :
Does Mexican Drug Lord El Chapo Guzmán Have The $14 Billion The U.S. Wants From Him?

 

[The VOR]

Senator Ted Cruz wants to use assets seized from drug lords such as El Chapo, the Mexican kingpin who was recently extradited to the U.S., to pay for border security and the border wall.

• The idea: U.S. prosecutors are seeking $14 billion in drug profits and other assets from El Chapo. They also routinely seize the assets of other drug dealers and traffickers.
• The Cruz quote: "Fourteen billion dollars will go a long way toward building a wall that will keep Americans safe and hinder the illegal flow of drugs, weapons, and individuals across our southern border."
• The acronym's meaning: Ensuring Lawful Collection of Hidden Assets to Provide Order
• Why it matters: President Trump is trying to figure out how to pay for his border wall, which will require American taxpayers to front the bill, but Republicans aren't helping at the moment.

Ted Cruz introduces "EL CHAPO Act" to pay for the wall

Except El Chapo has nowhere near $14 billion! The most he has ever been estimated to have is $1.4 billion, none of which has been seized by the US government yet, but what is a lousy decimal point in Right-wing fuzzy math land.

And you can bet all of the people that currently get a slice of the seized drug money pie aren't going to be too happy if that have to give any of that up.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

What a novel idea. Seeking forfeiture of ill gained profits. Out of the box. It's a mystery why we've not done this before.

Dude, I was being sarcastic.

18 U.S. Code § 981 - Civil forfeiture

????????

Are you arguing with yourself?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Ted Cruz has sold out. A wall is a waste of money and conservatives should be against it when it can be done more cheaply. That money should go to reduce the deficit.

The wall is a part of the solution and no one can find a reasonable solution to illegals crossing that border without it. It is conservatives who oppose the wall who have sold out.

How about get rid of incentive? Dems wanting them for votes and repubs giving them amnesty and free healthcare and shit. We wouldn't need a fucking wall if we didn't give them incentive!
Go after CAUSES, not EFFECTS.

Go after both.

 

[TNHarley]

Ted Cruz has sold out. A wall is a waste of money and conservatives should be against it when it can be done more cheaply. That money should go to reduce the deficit.

The wall is a part of the solution and no one can find a reasonable solution to illegals crossing that border without it. It is conservatives who oppose the wall who have sold out.

How about get rid of incentive? Dems wanting them for votes and repubs giving them amnesty and free healthcare and shit. We wouldn't need a fucking wall if we didn't give them incentive!
Go after CAUSES, not EFFECTS.

Go after both.

Wasteful. If you eliminated the cause, there would be no effects.

 

[The VOR]

Uh oh.

New York and Illinois already called dibs on $21.6 billion of El Chapo's money last year: Quiere EU 21 mil mdd de ‘El Chapo’; proceso en 2 cortes

First come first serve. But hey, at this point in the thread, I decided to up the amount of El Chapo's ill-gotten gains from 14 billion to 140 billion, so there should be enough there to build a really beautiful wall around the entire United States, including those islands in the Pacific, and still have plenty left over for other pet projects.