Teachers Freaking Out Over Trump

[SweetSue92]

Your administrators and district are to blame. Not the Education Department.

It all flows downstream from legislation.

My admin and district tell us over and over and over there's "nothing they can do because of Least Restrictive Environment"

 

[XponentialChaos]

Link that. Never heard such a thing. I think I would have noticed as I oppose that to my very core.

Trump endorses Ten Commandments in schools, implores evangelical Christians to vote in November

Donald Trump has told a group of evangelicals that they “cannot afford to sit on the sidelines” of the 2024 election, imploring them at one point to “go and vote, Christians, please!”

apnews.com

School prayer timeline: The evolution of prayer in schools, from Founding Fathers to President Trump's commitment to bringing it back

Donald Trump wants to bring back school prayer, which may mean overturning Engel v. Vitale, which said it violates the First Amendment.

forward.com

 

[justoffal]

It's unconstitutional for starters.

And yet it has always been present until just recently. Technically I'm sure you're correct.
There are schools throughout the country that give prayer time to different types of students.
It's not an official school activity..... But it is protected in their behalf. The programs I know about pertain to Muslim students mostly.

Jo

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Also....it seems kids aren't "taken out of school" anymore. Read up on violent students and classroom evacuations.

Why do you think I'm up like this at this time of night, unable to sleep?

We are not okay. Our workplace is an unsafe, toxic mess. I told a coworker today it feels "abusive", and it does.

That is the responsibility for your union. Do you not have one?

 

[XponentialChaos]

Meh? And this is terrible why? You would prefer drag queen story hour?

So you’re good with religious indoctrination in public schools.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It all flows downstream from legislation.

My admin and district tell us over and over and over there's "nothing they can do because of Least Restrictive Environment"

They lie. LRE has limits. the key is knowing the law and implementing it. That is why I had to take educational law for my master's.

 

[justoffal]

So you’re good with religious indoctrination in public schools.

I don't think the school should indoctrinate in any way. However I see no problem with providing prayer time for those who choose it. In fact it's already being done in different schools throughout the country for Muslim students.

Several moments of spiritual reflection have definite benefits even for those who are atheists.

 

[XponentialChaos]

I don't think the school should indoctrinate in any way. However I see no problem with providing prayer time for those who choose it. In fact it's already being done in different schools throughout the country for Muslim students.

So you’re good with displaying the Satanist tenants in classrooms along with the Quran and allowing the Wiccans to pray openly as well then, right?

 

[The Duke]

Why? Government employees have no right to strike, so where is this magical power you seem to think they wave? I worked for the government most of my life and never once had any say in my rights, benefits or pay. What is your main objection with the unions?

You've answered your own question.

 

[The Duke]

So you’re good with displaying the Satanist tenants in classrooms along with the Quran and allowing the Wiccans to pray openly as well then, right?

Oh stop, you evil little cretin.

 

[justoffal]

They lie. LRE has limits. the key is knowing the law and implementing it. That is why I had to take educational law for my master's.

Just a thumbs up to all exceptional citizens who choose a life of service to education. I have nothing but respect for that! In a society that pays millions a year to non essential athletes we shame ourselves by not rewarding our dedicated teachers with what they need to succeed and survive!

God bless you all!

Jo

 

[XponentialChaos]

Oh stop, you evil little cretin.

Let me know when you think of something intelligent to say, dumbass.

 

[justoffal]

So you’re good with displaying the Satanist tenants in classrooms along with the Quran and allowing the Wiccans to pray openly as well then, right?

So long as they violate no one else's rights a brief moment of spiritual reflection each day can only be beneficial. No one is talking about displays or parades. A moment of silence or perhaps a minute of silence should be just fine.
Man has a spiritual side even if that man is an atheist.

 

[XponentialChaos]

So long as they violate no one else's rights a brief moment of spiritual reflection each day can only be beneficial. No one is talking about displays or parades. A moment of silence or perhaps a minute of silence should be just fine.
Man has a spiritual side even if that man is an atheist.

Fine with me. Satanist tenants in the classroom, Flying Spaghetti Monster statues, lots and lots of Muslim stuff, and throw in some displays of witchcraft. All in the public classrooms.

I’m sure your fellow Republicans will be fine with all that. Sounds good. I’m in.

 

[justoffal]

Fine with me. Satanist tenants in the classroom, Flying Spaghetti Monster statues, lots and lots of Muslim stuff, and throw in some displays of witchcraft. All in the public classrooms.

I’m sure your fellow Republicans will be fine with all that. Sounds good. I’m in.

Prayer time should be private and personal not flamboyant and boisterous. Although I certainly can understand your viewpoint, things tend to creep and special interests tend to become aggressive. You have a point.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Religion.

How have you missed this? They mandated bibles as "educational materials" and set standards that exactly matched only tRump's version.

It's been all over the news.

That's not politics.

I'm sure Oklahoma is dealing with that, and their courts will determine the outcome. At the end of the day, are they establishing a religion?

Like it or not, Christianity IS the predominant religion in the US, that doesn't mean it's the"official religion" as mandated by government, but it is generally recognized as the"official religion" by the people.

 

[hadit]

While true, the one thing you cant really teach them, IMHO the most important thing, is how to deal with their peers without you and how to deal with people in power that are not family.

Knowledge is good and useful but it is your social skills that takes you far in life and that is a skill I don't think can be taught and rather needs to be directly experienced. It is what stopped me from homeschooling my children. The information that I need to correct or tech that the school misses I can do. The social aspects I cannot.

1. Society functioned well for a very long time with parents teaching their children how to interact with people of all ages, and it's only been the last 100 years or so we've gotten this idea that children should learn how to function in society from other children. Let's be honest, who is better to teach children how to function in an adult-oriented society, adults or other children?

2. The homeschool model does not recommend isolation for the children, either. There are co-ops to join that allow for social interaction among students, field trips, play, etc.

 

[DStar777]

You misspelled "idiot".

Namecalling? Really?

The system is broken. You fix it, not throw it away because you can't come up with a new one.

My objection to government education isn't that it's broken. I don't think education is a proper function of government. Substitute "education" with "farming" or "religion" in that last sentence and you get the point. Education is the process of preparing students to be independent thinking adults. Public schools don't really do that. They prepare students to be subjects of an authority (maybe a dictator). If they happen to teach knowledge of a subject while doing so, that's almost a mere coincidence.

 

[FA_Q2]

A reading list that includes books calling white people satanic. I’m not buying that. You’re welcome to provide what you’re referring to.

It has been brought up here several times. I laughed at the righttards too at first with this one because I didn't believe it either. Then I checked my kids Ipad so I didn't say something stupid and there it was.

‘Not My Idea’ Children’s Book Spurs Rightwing Backlash

Author Anastasia Higginbotham’s illustrated book on whiteness has become a target of conservative pundits and politicians.

progressive.org

That is Satan holding that contract.

And I am not in Mississippi.

And I read the rest, it does not help. Sure, the IDEA was supposed to be fighting racism but the execution shows what the actual message is. It is not about advancing POC.

Additionally, it sure as hell doesn’t seem like you guys would have an issue with Christian indoctrination.

Find me one single example of me supporting any such bullshit. One.

 

[FA_Q2]

1. Society functioned well for a very long time with parents teaching their children how to interact with people of all ages, and it's only been the last 100 years or so we've gotten this idea that children should learn how to function in society from other children. Let's be honest, who is better to teach children how to function in an adult-oriented society, adults or other children?

Irrelevant what society did for the last however many years. We also used to get by without computers at all. Leaving that out of a child's education would place them at a severe disadvantage TODAY.

And yes, other children are better learning from peers not because they are or or not adults but because we function differently facing peers than we do people that are not our peers. They are also not going to exist in a culture that you are intimately familiar with as it changes from each generation to the next. They even have a different vocabulary. That is fire means something very different to me than it does to my kids.

2. The homeschool model does not recommend isolation for the children, either. There are co-ops to join that allow for social interaction among students, field trips, play, etc.

There are. And if you can get enough of that away from authority then it is good. I cant, there are not those resources in my area or enough people interested in homeschooling that are. The single family I know homeschooled their kids was not interested and the development hurdles with that family were stark. Kids were smart and they absolutely knew their shit but were useless in a social setting.