Teachers Freaking Out Over Trump

[Oddball]

 

[hadit]

Irrelevant what society did for the last however many years. We also used to get by without computers at all. Leaving that out of a child's education would place them at a severe disadvantage TODAY.

Not so sure I would equate the two, but I see where you're going. Computers are an educational tool but can also be dangerous if left up to tech-savvy kids who can easily bypass filters and find the pron everyone is trying to keep away from them.

And yes, other children are better learning from peers not because they are or or not adults but because we function differently facing peers than we do people that are not our peers. They are also not going to exist in a culture that you are intimately familiar with as it changes from each generation to the next. They even have a different vocabulary. That is fire means something very different to me than it does to my kids.

That happens to every generation. Every generation I've observed thinks that they have discovered something brand new that nobody else did in the history of mankind, even though their parents and grandparents came up with their own vocabulary, dress codes and ways to rebel. Now, today's generations move faster than past ones did and require parents to be much more involved in their kids' lives than previous ones did, yes. I don't think, moreover, that protecting kids from the worst of what's available to them at schools where a single teacher is supposed to be figuratively on top of 30 kids at once is depriving them of vital survival skills.

There are. And if you can get enough of that away from authority then it is good. I cant, there are not those resources in my area or enough people interested in homeschooling that are. The single family I know homeschooled their kids was not interested and the development hurdles with that family were stark. Kids were smart and they absolutely knew their shit but were useless in a social setting.

That's a shame, it really is because it could be much better. We started our kids in private school, moved them to government school because the private one topped out at 5th grade, then homeschooled because the government school was going to short bus our son who was on the autistic spectrum and couldn't handle the classroom very well. Back in the day 30 years ago they didn't know what else to do with autistic kids. Homeschooling worked well for us.

 

[XponentialChaos]

It has been brought up here several times. I laughed at the righttards too at first with this one because I didn't believe it either. Then I checked my kids Ipad so I didn't say something stupid and there it was.

‘Not My Idea’ Children’s Book Spurs Rightwing Backlash

Author Anastasia Higginbotham’s illustrated book on whiteness has become a target of conservative pundits and politicians.

progressive.org

That is Satan holding that contract.

And I am not in Mississippi.

And I read the rest, it does not help. Sure, the IDEA was supposed to be fighting racism but the execution shows what the actual message is. It is not about advancing POC.

Find me one single example of me supporting any such bullshit. One.

Wow. Yup. That’s looks pretty offensive. But, without having read the book, it almost seems like it’s too over the top. Like you said, the intent may have been to fight racism. This intent may have been done through over-the-top exaggerations of racism to push critical thought or something. Again, I don’t know because I didn’t read it, but I’m open to the possibility of there being a theme that may not have landed with you. Maybe it’s you due to your bias, or maybe the author didn’t execute the message very well, or maybe the teacher didn’t use good judgment recommending this book. I don’t know, but I’m inclined to give the benefit of the doubt here regarding the intent.

If I were in your shoes, I would consider looking into the book some more. If you’re still concerned with it, I’d ask to speak to the teacher to discuss your concerns. And if you’re still not satisfied, then escalate to the principal.

 

[FA_Q2]

Not so sure I would equate the two, but I see where you're going. Computers are an educational tool but can also be dangerous if left up to tech-savvy kids who can easily bypass filters and find the pron everyone is trying to keep away from them.

That happens to every generation. Every generation I've observed thinks that they have discovered something brand new that nobody else did in the history of mankind, even though their parents and grandparents came up with their own vocabulary, dress codes and ways to rebel. Now, today's generations move faster than past ones did and require parents to be much more involved in their kids' lives than previous ones did, yes. I don't think, moreover, that protecting kids from the worst of what's available to them at schools where a single teacher is supposed to be figuratively on top of 30 kids at once is depriving them of vital survival skills.

Not so much survival skills. That is not what I worry about. It is the ability to interact with others in a way that they can maximize potential.

That's a shame, it really is because it could be much better. We started our kids in private school, moved them to government school because the private one topped out at 5th grade, then homeschooled because the government school was going to short bus our son who was on the autistic spectrum and couldn't handle the classroom very well. Back in the day 30 years ago they didn't know what else to do with autistic kids. Homeschooling worked well for us.

It is, my kids would have done much better if I could have directed some of their education. My eldest is ignorant of a surprising number of things, even things I expected woke ideologies to push. For some reason they can give them the book I mentioned earlier that calls white people satanic but they could not cover Japanese internment camps during WWII. That is utterly bat shit insane.

 

[Woodznutz]

Back in my day, teachers couldn't discuss their politics or sexuality or they'd be fired on the spot.
Kids would try to get the ones they didn't like to slip up. Or whoever they could just because that's how it was.

Back in my day there were rules, and we followed them.

 

[FA_Q2]

Wow. Yup. That’s looks pretty offensive. But, without having read the book, it almost seems like it’s too over the top. Like you said, the intent may have been to fight racism. This intent may have been done through over-the-top exaggerations of racism to push critical thought or something. Again, I don’t know because I didn’t read it, but I’m open to the possibility of there being a theme that may not have landed with you. Maybe it’s you due to your bias, or maybe the author didn’t execute the message very well, or maybe the teacher didn’t use good judgment recommending this book. I don’t know, but I’m inclined to give the benefit of the doubt here regarding the intent.

It is a district thing. And the intent is meaningless. The context is meaningless. That page alone is enough.

The picture is there. You cannot justify it. A 'theme' that did not land with me? What possible theme could justify whiteness = satanic. Go on, lets hear it.

If I were in your shoes, I would consider looking into the book some more. If you’re still concerned with it, I’d ask to speak to the teacher to discuss your concerns. And if you’re still not satisfied, then escalate to the principal.

I just told you I did look into it. And there is nothing you can say about it to the teachers, I have spoken to them but a single parent does not have the political power to do squat. Oddly, the only time they listened to a damn thing I have said is when I finally had to get VERY angry at my eldest's high school because they were ignoring his IEP. Since most people are just like you, denying there is a problem and then pretending there is nothing wrong when shown the problem exists, it does not change. Have you not been paying attention to what has been going on the past several years?

I do not have direct control over the reading material.

 

[DGS49]

Those readers who are old enough probably read "The Autobiography of Malcom X." It describes his introduction to the "Black Muslim" movement. He was taught, literally, that the White Man is the devil.

There is nothing new under the sun.

 

[XponentialChaos]

It is a district thing. And the intent is meaningless. The context is meaningless. That page alone is enough.

The picture is there. You cannot justify it. A 'theme' that did not land with me? What possible theme could justify whiteness = satanic. Go on, lets hear it.

An author can’t use over-the-top exaggerations in their writing to make a point? You’re going to argue against this? Come on, dude. You’re smarter than that.

I just told you I did look into it. And there is nothing you can say about it to the teachers, I have spoken to them but a single parent does not have the political power to do squat. Oddly, the only time they listened to a damn thing I have said is when I finally had to get VERY angry at my eldest's high school because they were ignoring his IEP. Since most people are just like you, denying there is a problem and then pretending there is nothing wrong when shown the problem exists, it does not change. Have you not been paying attention to what has been going on the past several years?

I do not have direct control over the reading material.

If you don’t want to take the next steps I listed, that’s on you. Teachers are people. You can talk to them but you need to do it as a sensible adult. Rather than demanding that a book be taken off the list, tell them that you’re concerned about the message your child is getting from that book and ask them what the goal was in assigning that particular book.

 

[Foxfyre]

My school says the Pledge every morning

I teach the SS Banner beginning in the third grade; it's too difficult for the little ones. But we do songs like My Country 'Tis of Thee and etc.

Not every elem school is in Brooklyn NY or Berkeley CA

That is encouraging but based on your other post(s) everything still is not really okay, yes?

 

[FA_Q2]

An author can’t use over-the-top exaggerations in their writing to make a point? You’re going to argue against this? Come on, dude. You’re smarter than that.

Sure they can.

Now, I am still waiting for that context that makes this acceptable. Remember, we are talking about elementary students here. And, as I have now said 3 times, I read the entire context. You keep justifying it while not bothering with any context. Just the assumption that everything is kosher.

If you don’t want to take the next steps I listed, that’s on you. Teachers are people. You can talk to them but you need to do it as a sensible adult. Rather than demanding that a book be taken off the list, tell them that you’re concerned about the message your child is getting from that book and ask them what the goal was in assigning that particular book.

Did I say that I demanded anything? I told you I took the 'next steps.' You are just ignoring what I have said. How about we get back to the justification of this period. My situation is not really all that relevant, it just informed me the left was gaslighting when they claimed this shit was not happening.

And the result of ignoring things like this is Trump. That is one hell of a high price to pay.

 

[Lisa558]

You know what it is so don't ask questions. And don't try "that you can't tell me because I don't answer your question" tactic either.

An agenda to get back to basics and teach academics instead of all the woke nonsense? Or are you OK with schools where 85% of kids can’t read or do math at grade level?

 

[IM2]

An agenda to get back to basics and teach academics instead of all the woke nonsense? Or are you OK with schools where 85% of kids can’t read or do math at grade level?

The basics are being taught. Maybe we change how they get taught. Kids get bored sitting in one place for 8 hours every day.

 

[FA_Q2]

The basics are being taught. Maybe we change how they get taught. Kids get bored sitting in one place for 8 hours every day.

I am not sure there is anyone that would not agree with this.

There must be more to it considering I would think this is almost universally supported but not being implemented. Usually that means we are ignorant of something else.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I am not sure there is anyone that would not agree with this.

There must be more to it considering I would think this is almost universally supported but not being implemented. Usually that means we are ignorant of something else.

On average homeschool children spend approximately 3 hours a day in "class", the rest of their day consists of hands on learning. Learning nature, life skills, etc

It's interesting to learn about.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You've answered your own question.

No. You didn't answer. Perhaps you don't know.

I have been a union member in some positions and then not a member in others. There is little difference.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Namecalling? Really?

I call a spade, a spade. If that's what you think is libertarian in any way, you would be an idiot. That's not name-calling. That is a fact.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

An agenda to get back to basics and teach academics instead of all the woke nonsense? Or are you OK with schools where 85% of kids can’t read or do math at grade level?

Do you mean the schools where students are chronically truant, have no discipline at home, and stay up all night playing video games? Those students? Where their guardians are their grandmothers because their parents are either dead or in jail? I had a female student once whose guardian was her aunt who was only in college because both her parents were convicted criminals and drug addicts. That's an inner-city school for you!

You can't teach those students if they are not there, and no one gives a shit about them.

 

[LibertyKid]

First I wish Tatum would stop talking in the middle of the vids.

Here is another clip of a young black American, who hasn't drank the propaganda soda machine, asking solid questions of his peers who have no clue what Trump or conservatives actually believe, but hinge all their bias on.

Listen to the young ladies who exclaim "Women get pregnant, women our age get pregnant" as if they have no choice in the matter. The kid tries to tackle rhetoric with solid questions.

Then the teacher gets involved and says "If citizens were more decent". The Student says if you voted for Trump you're not, and the teacher says, "Yes".

 

[XponentialChaos]

Sure they can.

Now, I am still waiting for that context that makes this acceptable. Remember, we are talking about elementary students here. And, as I have now said 3 times, I read the entire context. You keep justifying it while not bothering with any context. Just the assumption that everything is kosher.

I guess you’re right. Everything that has ever been written is required to be taken literally. There’s no such thing as hyperbole or sarcasm. Metaphors and symbolism simply don’t exist. They’re fake. You’re so smart. I believe you may be the smartest person who ever existed. Thank you for opening my eyes and allowing me to realize that words are always meant to be taken completely literally. Wow. I’m so impressed by your remarkable intelligence.

How’s that?

Did I say that I demanded anything? I told you I took the 'next steps.' You are just ignoring what I have said. How about we get back to the justification of this period. My situation is not really all that relevant, it just informed me the left was gaslighting when they claimed this shit was not happening.

And the result of ignoring things like this is Trump. That is one hell of a high price to pay.

My recommended next steps were for you to talk to the teacher. Have you done that? You can be upset about the book. I’m just saying I’m skeptical about the message it’s intending to send. The first person I would talk to about that is the teacher who assigned it.

 

[Unkotare]

Not to worry. Trump is going to abolish the dept. of education and give the school responsibilities back to the states.

It will no longer be a federal matter

It's already with the states.