Taking the Oligarchs Stuff Thread

[Toro]

Take it all.

They enabled the illegal invasion and slaughter of innocents.

 

[Toro]

Here’s where Russian oligarchs and their families own property in NYC

American policy makers, including some senators are calling for the full “Navalny 35” list of Vladimir Putin cronies to be officially sanctioned by the US.

nypost.com

 

[Sunni Man]

Exactly how did he allegedly enable Putin's incursion into Ukraine? ...

 

[Robert Urbanek]

I am curious. Does anyone know the law under which a government, particularly the U.S. government, can seize the property of anyone not convicted or even charged with a crime?

 

[Rambunctious]

Take it all.

They enabled the illegal invasion and slaughter of innocents.

Hunter won't let Joe do this to his Russian piggy bank....

 

[Toro]

Sanctioned Russian TV Host Cries About Losing His Italian Villa

It’s all fun and games till they seize your Italian villa.

www.thedailybeast.com

Lulz

 

[Winston]

Take it all.

They enabled the illegal invasion and slaughter of innocents.

Wow, talk about irony. It was Ukranian oligarchs that got Ukraine in this position. While now they pretend to stand with Ukraine, they had no problem picking the flesh off the bones of Ukranians for decades and leaning into Russia as they did. And the Russian oligarchy is pretty much united against this "invasion". And for good reason. Ukraine is a shit show, has been for decades. Not seeing a risk reward ratio playing out here for Putin. Say he gets those two provinces, what does he have? Well, there is coal production, but I sure don't see Virginia invading West Virginia to take territory. Putin is doing about the same here. Those two provinces will end up being a strain on limited Russian resources and will come at a cost through international sanctions that will far exceed any gain Putin might be able to squeeze out of those two shitholes.

 

[Winston]

I am curious. Does anyone know the law under which a government, particularly the U.S. government, can seize the property of anyone not convicted or even charged with a crime?

Typically, it is done through a court order. Like in United States v. All Petroleum-Product Cargo Aboard the Bella, et al., 1:20-cv-1791-JEB,

 

[FA_Q2]

I am curious. Does anyone know the law under which a government, particularly the U.S. government, can seize the property of anyone not convicted or even charged with a crime?

I am equally curious.

edit: Civil forfeiture laws do allow this as they charge the asset with a 'crime' and since assets do not have rights it allows the government to essentially take whatever they want whenever they want. It is a rather disgusting practice that cannot really be called 'law.' They just do not apply to this situation.

 

[FA_Q2]

Typically, it is done through a court order. Like in United States v. All Petroleum-Product Cargo Aboard the Bella, et al., 1:20-cv-1791-JEB,

However, that law does not apply. Civil forfeiture requires that the property be involved in or the result of illegal actions against the US or it can be international if the international offence was planned in the US.

None of that applies to Russian officials.

Section 981 - Civil forfeiture, 18 U.S.C. § 981 | Casetext Search + Citator

Read Section 981 - Civil forfeiture, 18 U.S.C. § 981, see flags on bad law, and search Casetext’s comprehensive legal database

casetext.com

Of note though, it would be fairly easy to amend the law to include volitions of international laws or include war. Civil asset forfeiture of that nature is a piss poor legal framework though and should be ended in its current form.

 

[candycorn]

park a couple of Mark 48 torpedoes into the side of these yachts and see if they still float.

 

[occupied]

However, that law does not apply. Civil forfeiture requires that the property be involved in or the result of illegal actions against the US or it can be international if the international offence was planned in the US.

None of that applies to Russian officials.

Section 981 - Civil forfeiture, 18 U.S.C. § 981 | Casetext Search + Citator

Read Section 981 - Civil forfeiture, 18 U.S.C. § 981, see flags on bad law, and search Casetext’s comprehensive legal database

casetext.com

Of note though, it would be fairly easy to amend the law to include volitions of international laws or include war. Civil asset forfeiture of that nature is a piss poor legal framework though and should be ended in its current form.

Pretty sure any property seized is just impounded.

 

[okfine]

Sounds similar to Texas landowners v Trump

 

[KissMy]

Take it all.

They enabled the illegal invasion and slaughter of innocents.

Just get a few friends & some machine guns & take over any of their assets. Who is going to stop you?

 

[FA_Q2]

Pretty sure any property seized is just impounded.

Then you would generally be incorrect with civil asset forfeiture.

Hearing on Police Seizing Property For Alleged Crimes

Legal experts testified on law enforcement seizing property they allege was involved in a crime without charging the owner of a crime, also known as civil asset forfeiture. House Oversight and Reform subcommittee members discussed with witnesses the burden this practice puts on citizens and the...

www.c-span.org

 

[occupied]

Then you would generally be incorrect with civil asset forfeiture.

Hearing on Police Seizing Property For Alleged Crimes

Legal experts testified on law enforcement seizing property they allege was involved in a crime without charging the owner of a crime, also known as civil asset forfeiture. House Oversight and Reform subcommittee members discussed with witnesses the burden this practice puts on citizens and the...

www.c-span.org

That stuff is rightfully the stolen property of the Russian people. We can't just take it without due process but we can hold it for them.

 

[FA_Q2]

That stuff is rightfully the stolen property of the Russian people. We can't just take it without due process but we can hold it for them.

What does that have to do with anything I have said whatsoever?

The law I cited I mentioned specifically does not cover Russian oligarchs. It does, however, allow the government to steal from YOU, essentially without due process, and it is not holding it for you. They generally spend it if it is cash or sell it when it is hard assets and then spend the proceeds.

However, we certainly can pass a law that identifies foreign government actors and seizes property of those that commit war crimes or are involved in invasions of other nations. There is little stopping that practice.

 

[occupied]

What does that have to do with anything I have said whatsoever?

The law I cited I mentioned specifically does not cover Russian oligarchs. It does, however, allow the government to steal from YOU, essentially without due process, and it is not holding it for you. They generally spend it if it is cash or sell it when it is hard assets and then spend the proceeds.

However, we certainly can pass a law that identifies foreign government actors and seizes property of those that commit war crimes or are involved in invasions of other nations. There is little stopping that practice.

Civil asset forfeiture is one of the crappier legacies of the drug war but if it doesn't apply to Russian oligarchs why bring it up?

 

[FA_Q2]

Civil asset forfeiture is one of the crappier legacies of the drug war but if it doesn't apply to Russian oligarchs why bring it up?

Can you even bother to follow the conversation? I did not bring it up, Winston did. The case he pointed to was ruled on using the linked code.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Outlaw billionaires. Simples.