Take the income tax quiz!!!

[Immanuel]

I'm all for that as long as you eliminate (nearly all) the deductions, credits, and loop holes. If you leave all the gimmicks that are in place now, the only thing a flat tax does is push the tax burden down.

Pssst! I said Fair Tax not Flat Tax. The flat tax wouldn't work although it would be better than the convoluted bullshit we have today. The flat tax would not work, because you would still have people that worked under the table and didn't claim income.

Immie

Right, and with the fair tax no one would take cash for goods and not pay the sales tax. Sure.

You'd probably have a very little bit of that, but then if you are doing business with me... I might be an IRS agent and well... Go to jail... go directly to jail, do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

How much of what you state goes on today under the State Sales Tax? Not a whole hell of a lot.

Immie

 

[Immanuel]

Our income tax is not fair. It is set up to benefit the rich, which is okay by me although I am not rich... it gives me something to strive for.

However, I feel that the Fair Tax would be better for those in need, which I am not and hopefully never will be.

Immie

Please tell me you are joking.

Not at all, and by your response, I take it you know nothing at all about the fair tax.

Immie

 

[SpidermanTuba]

Our income tax is not fair. It is set up to benefit the rich, which is okay by me although I am not rich... it gives me something to strive for.

However, I feel that the Fair Tax would be better for those in need, which I am not and hopefully never will be.

Immie

Please tell me you are joking.

Not at all, and by your response, I take it you know nothing at all about the fair tax.

Immie

I know that it shifts the rich's tax burden to the middle class, which means I don't like it.

 

[DiamondDave]

There's a reason there are so many tax accountants. The Federal Income Tax is not set up to be user friendly in the least.

And that is why I say:

"Support the Fair Tax!"

Americans For Fair Taxation: Americans For Fair Taxation

Immie

I'm all for that as long as you eliminate (nearly all) the deductions, credits, and loop holes. If you leave all the gimmicks that are in place now, the only thing a flat tax does is push the tax burden down.

No.. .it promotes equality or equal treatment under government.. just as we have justice being 'blind'.... equal treatment does not mean, nor should it mean, forced equal outcome...

With freedom and equal treatment comes inherent positives AND negatives... but I would still rather have equality and freedom over selective equality and curbed freedom for the expense of someone else's gain...

 

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[Immanuel]

Please tell me you are joking.

Not at all, and by your response, I take it you know nothing at all about the fair tax.

Immie

I know that it shifts the rich's tax burden to the middle class, which means I don't like it.

I think you need to read a little bit about it.

It is not perfect, but it is better than what we have right now.

A simple flat tax would be the most fair, but then you would have a high amount of people that didn't claim income. It would also adversely affect the poor who right now, pay little or no tax at all. You could make it a flat tax on income above a certain level, but you would still have that problem.

Under the fair tax, anyone who purchases taxable goods in the U.S. would pay tax on those goods. That means that if you are benefiting from the conveniences of this country, you are paying taxes. What helps the poor is that 1) they get their full paycheck every time they get paid (no interest free loan to Uncle Sam, that he promises to pay back at the end of the year) and Uncle Sam sends everyone a monthly payment to offset the taxes that would be paid at the poverty level. In effect, that is a credit toward each month's taxes. For the poor, that helps significantly. For the rich, well they might notice it as they go about their daily spending.

Immie

 

[keee keee]

guy making 100,001,00 would stop working so hard and keep his pay below the 30% mark or change the way he is payed to get around the higher tax. the rich find a way around paying taxes!!!

 

[Oldandtired]

guy making 100,001,00 would stop working so hard and keep his pay below the 30% mark or change the way he is payed to get around the higher tax. the rich find a way around paying taxes!!!

You need to elaborate for accuracy...

Those that pay taxes capitalize on the tax laws so they can minimize their tax liability as the law allows.

You seem to imply that those that follow the law are doing something wrong.

So tell me...the law allows you to make a right on red. Do you not make a right on red becuase the light is red?

 

[SpidermanTuba]

A simple flat tax would be the most fair,

What people like you consistently fail to realize is that the people at the bottom of the income ladder still need to eat. I know you'd prefer they simply not need food and housing and clothing because they can't afford it - but they still need it.

 

[Immanuel]

A simple flat tax would be the most fair,

What people like you consistently fail to realize is that the people at the bottom of the income ladder still need to eat. I know you'd prefer they simply not need food and housing and clothing because they can't afford it - but they still need it.

Nice of you to put words in my mouth.

What you don't realize is that the Fair Tax gives them much more disposable income than the current system we have now and will, in fact, mean they would pay less in taxes than they do now. That is what the monthly credit provides them.

I would not support it, if I had not read it and did not fully believe that it would provide more for the poor.

Immie

 

[Oldandtired]

A simple flat tax would be the most fair,

What people like you consistently fail to realize is that the people at the bottom of the income ladder still need to eat. I know you'd prefer they simply not need food and housing and clothing because they can't afford it - but they still need it.

And for those we have programs to assist them.

For those that need healthcare, we have emergency rooms that will not turn them away.
We have charities for clothing.
We have shelters.

We, the taxpayer, allow our tax dollars to go to those programs as it is our responsibility as a people to protect our people.

We, the taxpayer, just prefers it to be charity...and not an entitlement...as once it becomes an entitlement, many will abuse it.

And the way the rheotric is going.....those that receive these "charitable" donations and see them as entitlements are actually looking down on those that fund these charitable donations....the taxpayers.

Ask them..."Who do you thank for the assistance you are recieving"

See how many say "the rich" and how many say "the government"....and sadly....how many will say "obama"!

Then ask them who do you blame for your plight....and how many of them will say "the rich".

 

[DiamondDave]

A simple flat tax would be the most fair,

What people like you consistently fail to realize is that the people at the bottom of the income ladder still need to eat. I know you'd prefer they simply not need food and housing and clothing because they can't afford it - but they still need it.

And their eating is not the job of the government... neither is ensuring they get it... that is a PERSONAL responsibility.. as is their income, their upkeep, etc....

Again... by your statements, you overwhelmingly support selective equality.... equal treatment when it suits you, and unequal treatment when you feel it is justified for your particular whim or cause

I am all for charity helping those in need or on hard times... just not forced charity or government acting like some charity, under the guise of some Robin Hood sense of liberal guilt....

 

[SpidermanTuba]

A simple flat tax would be the most fair,

What people like you consistently fail to realize is that the people at the bottom of the income ladder still need to eat. I know you'd prefer they simply not need food and housing and clothing because they can't afford it - but they still need it.

And their eating is not the job of the government... neither is ensuring they get it... that is a PERSONAL responsibility.. as is their income, their upkeep, etc....

Do you think if they can't afford to eat, they will just lay down and die, and leave a few thousand bucks in their pockets to cover their funeral expenses?

I am all for charity helping those in need or on hard times... just not forced charity or government acting like some charity, under the guise of some Robin Hood sense of liberal guilt....

I guess you'd prefer the hungry break into your home to steal food and threaten your family's safety.

 

[DiamondDave]

What people like you consistently fail to realize is that the people at the bottom of the income ladder still need to eat. I know you'd prefer they simply not need food and housing and clothing because they can't afford it - but they still need it.

And their eating is not the job of the government... neither is ensuring they get it... that is a PERSONAL responsibility.. as is their income, their upkeep, etc....

Do you think if they can't afford to eat, they will just lay down and die, and leave a few thousand bucks in their pockets to cover their funeral expenses?

I am all for charity helping those in need or on hard times... just not forced charity or government acting like some charity, under the guise of some Robin Hood sense of liberal guilt....

I guess you'd prefer the hungry break into your home to steal food and threaten your family's safety.

If they can't eat, seems like motivation to do more.... and if they are indeed unable (an overused term by entitlement junkies), then they becomes wards of the state like others who cannot fend for themselves (those committed for mental instability, etc) and lose the freedoms including the freedom to vote

I prefer the hungry work... and provide for themselves.. I do not condone crime in any form, and I fully promote self defense of the defense of one's property.. hence why my daughters and I are fully trained and capable of using the weapons in our house if some lowlife decided to commit the crime of breaking in to my house

 

[Oldandtired]

What people like you consistently fail to realize is that the people at the bottom of the income ladder still need to eat. I know you'd prefer they simply not need food and housing and clothing because they can't afford it - but they still need it.

And their eating is not the job of the government... neither is ensuring they get it... that is a PERSONAL responsibility.. as is their income, their upkeep, etc....

Do you think if they can't afford to eat, they will just lay down and die, and leave a few thousand bucks in their pockets to cover their funeral expenses?

I am all for charity helping those in need or on hard times... just not forced charity or government acting like some charity, under the guise of some Robin Hood sense of liberal guilt....

I guess you'd prefer the hungry break into your home to steal food and threaten your family's safety.

No...I just want them to get themselves back on their feet...and I will help them.
Buyt why is it thast they see the government helping them and not me?
Not that I need the recognition..I dont...but maybe if they realized who really WAS helping them, they would be more inclined to get back on their feet?
Afterall....no one likes to get charity....but everyone wants something the government is giving out.
It is all about how our tax dollars are marketed...not so much how they are used that bothers me.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

A simple flat tax would be the most fair,

What people like you consistently fail to realize is that the people at the bottom of the income ladder still need to eat. I know you'd prefer they simply not need food and housing and clothing because they can't afford it - but they still need it.

Nice of you to put words in my mouth.

What you don't realize is that the Fair Tax gives them much more disposable income than the current system we have now and will, in fact, mean they would pay less in taxes than they do now. That is what the monthly credit provides them.

I would not support it, if I had not read it and did not fully believe that it would provide more for the poor.

Immie

It does not benefit the poor. The prebate is structured so those right at the poverty line pay no taxes.

Take a family of 4 living on the poverty line - that's $20,500. under the fair tax - their tax burden is 0%.

Under the present system they pay only FICA tax - which amounts to $1568 - but they get $4493 under the EIC. So they net $2925 and bring home $23425.







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Economist William G. Gale at the Brookings Institute has determined that most low income families will pay more taxes. "Under the Americans for Fair Taxation proposal, taxes would rise for households in the bottom 90 percent of the income distribution, while households in the top 1 percent would receive an average tax cut of over $75,000."

 

[SpidermanTuba]

No...I just want them to get themselves back on their feet...and I will help them.

You completely fail to understand that there will always be people at the bottom of the economic ladder, this is how our economic system is structured. If everyone started working 10 times harder that would not translate into people a the bottom no longer needing help. We will always need to have ditches dug and burgers flipped - and we'll be paying someone not very much to do it.

 

[Oldandtired]

What people like you consistently fail to realize is that the people at the bottom of the income ladder still need to eat. I know you'd prefer they simply not need food and housing and clothing because they can't afford it - but they still need it.

Nice of you to put words in my mouth.

What you don't realize is that the Fair Tax gives them much more disposable income than the current system we have now and will, in fact, mean they would pay less in taxes than they do now. That is what the monthly credit provides them.

I would not support it, if I had not read it and did not fully believe that it would provide more for the poor.

Immie

It does not benefit the poor. The prebate is structured so those right at the poverty line pay no taxes.

Take a family of 4 living on the poverty line - that's $20,500. under the fair tax - their tax burden is 0%.

Under the present system they pay only FICA tax - which amounts to $1568 - but they get $4493 under the EIC. So they net $2925 and bring home $23425.







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Economist William G. Gale at the Brookings Institute has determined that most low income families will pay more taxes. "Under the Americans for Fair Taxation proposal, taxes would rise for households in the bottom 90 percent of the income distribution, while households in the top 1 percent would receive an average tax cut of over $75,000."

23,500 net to support a family of four.

Jeez....

 

[Oldandtired]

No...I just want them to get themselves back on their feet...and I will help them.

You completely fail to understand that there will always be people at the bottom of the economic ladder, this is how our economic system is structured. We will always need to have ditches dug and burgers flipped - and we'll be paying someone not very much to do it.

why do you think that I completely fail to understand this?

I was one of those people.

Poor as dirt.

No money, no roof, no bank account.

I bagged groceries at a Brooklyn Grocery Store at the age of 23.

I know poor...

And someone replaced me at bagging...as I built a company.

So why do you th8ink I am clueless?

 

[SpidermanTuba]

If they can't eat, seems like motivation to do more....

After a few days without food it will be motivation to break into your house, beat you and your family over the heads, and take your food. I don't think you understand how the human body works. Maybe you've never been hungry a day in your life.

and if they are indeed unable (an overused term by entitlement junkies), then they becomes wards of the state like others who cannot fend for themselves (those committed for mental instability, etc) and lose the freedoms including the freedom to vote

That's a brilliant plan. Will save the taxpayers tons of money to simply imprison everyone who can't afford their basic necessities.


But guess what, idiot, after we do that, we'll still need people to do shit jobs. Those people will get paid shit, and wind up in prison - and eventually, we'll all be in prison. its a brilliant plan hope it works out.

I do not condone crime in any form,

it doesn't fucking matter if you condone it. I am telling you it is a fact that people who are starving and cannot get food through legal means will do so by illegal means. They won't merely toss themselves off bridges as you would like them to do.

and I fully promote self defense of the defense of one's property.. hence why my daughters and I are fully trained and capable of using the weapons in our house if some lowlife decided to commit the crime of breaking in to my house

That's great. I hope you are prepared to post 24/7 guard under the society you'd like to create.