Oddball
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The "Palestinian" civilians in Gaza.....You really think that the Israelis are the only ones oppressing them?
If being used as a human shield isn't "oppression" what would be?
Take Sides - Israel or Hamas Terrorists - Choose ONLY ONE!
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If being used as a human shield isn't "oppression" what would be?
Libby von H
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It needn't be framed that way. Whoever sends rockets into civilian areas (and films it and shows it on the Internet) must be wiped out
That happens to be Hamas. Many hate Hamas but I won't get into that. They violated completely interntaional law. so they must be exterminated.
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The old human shield excuse for mass murder. How absurd. I thought you were smarter.
Tens of thousands murdered and maimed and millions displaced, entire cities destroyed, but they’re all human shields. Lol.
Oddball
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So you're saying that the civilians haven't been used as human shields?...Really?
gipper
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So you’re saying all those thousands of little kids and women murdered and maimed were human shields. Are your eyes closed?
THINK!
there4eyeM
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Ah, the ever present tendency to over -simplify and render binary every problem.
ChemEngineer
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Says the sanctimonious sophisticate, rising above everyone..........
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I am being logical and reasonable. You have usually been so too.
Can we agree this is a war? Ahhhhh. . hmm,
Revolt by the Palestinians? 
. . . and can we also agree. . THAT THEY HAVE LOST? IT is over?!
If not . . . then, these are, yes, either being used as "human shields," or the leadership of Hamas knew, that these civilians would be martyrs for their cause. Otherwise? They would just give up and surrender on this conflict. . YESTERDAY!
I have played enough strategy war games, read and studied enough about war, to know, the defender in armed conflicts, does NOT dictate the rules of war to the attacker, how those engagements are going to be fought. If they want it over. . . they surrender!
Qatar emir proposed expelling Hamas officials in meet with Blinken days after Oct. 7
US diplomat told Thani that Doha should use its sway with terror group to free hostages in short term, but it wouldn't be 'business as usual' for Hamas after war, officials tell ToI
www.timesofisrael.com
I find these stories about how our state department is NOT demanding the expulsion of the leadership of Hamas from Quatar, while at the same time just giving weapons to Israel to destroy Hamas? Just clown werld! It is bizarre as hell, and a waste of American tax payer money. This leadership is hosted less than a mile from an American military base.
It would be like funding Iraq in the Iran Iraq war, while having the Iranian leadership in a house a mile away from Gitmo. IT MAKES not a lick of sense.
And here;
Hamas Official Ali Baraka on Hizbullah TV: We Can Repeat October 7 Many Times
Feb 5, 2024In January, the leadership of Hamas, unrepentant, is still going on about destroying Israel. So if their population are NOT human shields, then yes . . . they are viewed by their leadership as martyrs for the cause. The Palestinian political elites, that embezzle international aid, don't care anymore for their people than Trump or Biden give a shit about Americans.
Just as our media has always been untruthful about EVERYTHING, 9/11, climate change, Trump, you name it, they are not necessarily telling you all the facts on this. And you know I am not a Zionist.
Gaza is the most densely populated place in the world. Any war there is going to produce collateral damage. In particular when citizens are being used as human shields
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Well they do not know who actually did it. Your just trying to use a horrible act to blame democrats
Since you were not there this shows how republicans roll with generalization, Say anything and see if sinks or swims.
They seem to act like republicans never have abortions because they are republicans.
ChemEngineer
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Your lumping Donald Trump in with traitor Joe Biden in not giving a shit about Americans is repulsive, reprehensible, and a bald-faced, sickening lie.
President Trump worked for FREE for three years and kept illegals out of America and you have the cowardice to say that about him?
You are filth.
I never want to read another word from you.
ciao brutto
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Make sure to go get yourself a booster, eh?
.. . . and continue to, "TRUST THE PLAN."
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I think there is NO right or wrong to this.
so- I don't stress my brain to decide... both sides are wrong- What a shame- the little people pay the price- for the games of the leaders play round the world. I feel sorry for them both. just saying...
and there is no choose one side or the other
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So true. And I feel sorry for the victims on all sides too.
This reminds me of when the BLM stuff was going on, and yet again everyone was pressured to "pick a side"..... And yet again, some people made the same mistake the football mentality folks on this thread are making.
I like what this guy (Larken Rose) says in this clip. I'm going to set it to start at the pertinent part, from 1:45 on. He makes a lot of excellent points, and drives the point home about always putting principle first above everything else. If we don't, we're just being manipulated into supporting what the corrupt powers want us to support.
Careful, you'll cause this gaggle of tough talking genocidal shills to blow a gasket with irrefutable facts like that.
Facts, as we have learned over and over, are anathema to anyone cheerleading for the systematic extermination of Palestine's native residents.
To be a little more precise, those child killing heroes of the IDF have managed to exterminate about 11,500 of Gaza's children as of 4 February 2024; a period of about 5 months. (1)
Overall, IDF has killed well over 30,000 of Gaza's residents with thousands more mutilated and buried body parts remaining in the rubble of former homes, shops, farms etc.
Countless more will die from entirely preventable wound infections, disease, exposure to the elements and malnutrition due to Yoav Gallant's "... complete siege on Gaza."
EXCERPT “Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant declared it in no uncertain terms on October 9th: “We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza. No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting human animals, and we will act accordingly.” CONTINUED. (2)
Netanyahu and his genocidal regime members seized on this welcome and also long planned opportunity to destroy Gaza and exterminate / expel Gaza's native residents to make room for Israel's illegal "Setters" from Brooklyn.
It is generally accepted that about 1,200 Israelis were killed during the suspicious yet tragic events of 7 October 2023.
Not satisfied with a proportionate response and surgical operation, Netanyahu saw an opportunity to eclipse his legal problems and bring militant Zionists a little closer to their"Greater Israel".
Instead of that proportionate and surgical response that most of the world would have understood, Netanyahu and his henchmen are committing a blatant genocide so egregious that Jews(3) and non Jews around the world are condemning it as loudly as the world's legal community.
Both supporters and apologists for continuing Netanyahu's blatant genocide can only rationalize their "Chosen People" bloodlust based on the bigoted Zionist notion that 1,200 Jewish lives are more valuable than lives of those 30,000+ civilians whose primary "crime" has been to exist for generations on land coveted by foreign Zionist "Settlers".
Only the most naive and deluded observers of Middle Eastern realities could believe that continued extermination of Gaza's men, women and children could do anything other than make Israel less secure, drag the US into another regional war for "Greater Israel" and ensure millions of recruits for Hamas and / or its replacement organizations.
Thanks,
(1). "11,500 Children Have Been Killed in Gaza. Horror of This Scale Has No Explanation"
(2). “A Textbook Case of Genocide”
“Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?”
A Textbook Case of Genocide
Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?
jewishcurrents.org
(3). “Jews Against Genocide statement and action”
Jews Against Genocide statement and action | IJAN
www.ijan.org
EXCERPT “We, Jews Against Genocide, came to Yad Vashem, Israel’s memorial of the genocide committed against Jews, to honor the Palestinian children who are dying in a genocide committed by Jews.
We brought dolls to symbolise the children of Gaza, and tried to bring a glimpse of the horror that Gazan’s face, to Israel’s doorstep. We hope to show Israel, and the world, the absurd reality of using the memory of one genocide to justify another.” CONTINUED
Where would Netanyahu's scripted and programmed shills be with "The Trick":
“Don’t be caught out by ‘the trick’”
Don’t be caught out by ‘the trick'
In August 2002 former Israeli Minister of Education Shulamit Aloni was interviewed on the radio and television program Democracy Now .
www.scoop.co.nz
EXCERPTS "“Well, it’s a trick, we always use it. When from Europe somebody is criticizing Israel, then we bring up the Holocaust. When in this country people are criticizing Israel, then they are anti-Semitic.....
And it’s very easy to blame people who criticize certain acts of the Israeli government as anti-Semitic, and to bring up the Holocaust, and the suffering of the Jewish people, and that is to justify everything we do to the Palestinians.”CONTINUED
Also, we can always count on Gilad Atzmon to cut through the BS:
"An antisemite used to be someone who hates Jews;
nowadays an antisemite is someone Jews hate.”
- Gilad Atzmon, Jewish musician and author, 2011
Gilad Atzmon Quote: “An antisemite used to be someone who hates Jews; nowadays an antisemite is someone Jews hate.”
“An antisemite used to be someone who hates Jews; nowadays an antisemite is someone Jews hate.” — Quote by Gilad Atzmon
quotefancy.com
You know that you've won the debate when the best that they can do is howl "anti Semite".
Enjoy,
ChemEngineer
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Says the Hamas mouthpiece....Careful, you'll cause this gaggle of tough talking genocidal shills to blow a gasket with irrefutable facts like that.
Facts, as we have learned over and over, are anathema to anyone cheerleading for the systematic extermination of Palestine's native residents.
To be a little more precise, those child killing heroes of the IDF have managed to exterminate about 11,500 of Gaza's children as of 4 February 2024; a period of about 5 months. (1)
Overall, IDF has killed well over 30,000 of Gaza's residents with thousands more mutilated and buried body parts remaining in the rubble of former homes, shops, farms etc.
Countless more will die from entirely preventable wound infections, disease, exposure to the elements and malnutrition due to Yoav Gallant's "... complete siege on Gaza."
EXCERPT “Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant declared it in no uncertain terms on October 9th: “We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza. No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting human animals, and we will act accordingly.” CONTINUED. (2)
Netanyahu and his genocidal regime members seized on this welcome and also long planned opportunity to destroy Gaza and exterminate / expel Gaza's native residents to make room for Israel's illegal "Setters" from Brooklyn.
It is generally accepted that about 1,200 Israelis were killed during the suspicious yet tragic events of 7 October 2023.
Not satisfied with a proportionate response and surgical operation, Netanyahu saw an opportunity to eclipse his legal problems and bring militant Zionists a little closer to their"Greater Israel".
Instead of that proportionate and surgical response that most of the world would have understood, Netanyahu and his henchmen are committing a blatant genocide so egregious that Jews(3) and non Jews around the world are condemning it as loudly as the world's legal community.
Both supporters and apologists for continuing Netanyahu's blatant genocide can only rationalize their "Chosen People" bloodlust based on the bigoted Zionist notion that 1,200 Jewish lives are more valuable than lives of those 30,000+ civilians whose primary "crime" has been to exist for generations on land coveted by foreign Zionist "Settlers".
Only the most naive and deluded observers of Middle Eastern realities could believe that continued extermination of Gaza's men, women and children could do anything other than make Israel less secure, drag the US into another regional war for "Greater Israel" and ensure millions of recruits for Hamas and / or its replacement organizations.
Thanks,
(1). "11,500 Children Have Been Killed in Gaza. Horror of This Scale Has No Explanation"
(2). “A Textbook Case of Genocide”
“Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?”
A Textbook Case of Genocide
Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?
(3). “Jews Against Genocide statement and action”
Jews Against Genocide statement and action | IJAN
EXCERPT “We, Jews Against Genocide, came to Yad Vashem, Israel’s memorial of the genocide committed against Jews, to honor the Palestinian children who are dying in a genocide committed by Jews.
We brought dolls to symbolise the children of Gaza, and tried to bring a glimpse of the horror that Gazan’s face, to Israel’s doorstep. We hope to show Israel, and the world, the absurd reality of using the memory of one genocide to justify another.” CONTINUED
Oddball
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Where did I say "all"?...Warfare in urban civilian areas gets civilians killed...That's nothing new.
In the meantime, jihadist scum build their HQs under hospitals and schools, while hand wringing saps like you weep and wail about the "genocide" when those places get caught up in the crosfire.
You think for a change.
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Fan of his work. . .
Have you seen his movie yet?
I have been thinking about getting it, as I know that is the only way I will ever have a chance to see it. . . I'm pretty sure no streaming service will carry it, and it won't be found in any store. It doesn't seem very ESG friendly.
My problem, is I don't do on-line commerce, so I will have to make some special arrangements to get a hold of a copy, which will be a pain.
I just want to know if it is worth all that trouble. . . .
What a stupid lie. There were 40,000 Palestinians in Arabia in the 1950s... Now there are 400,000.
I thought you claimed to be a Christian.
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