Syrian Crises Spreads Into Lebanon

[MJB12741]

How many more must die in Lebanon thanks to Syria?

The Syrian Refugee Crisis is Pushing Lebanon to the Brink | Wilson Center

 

[Sunni Man]

No doubt ....

 

[Indeependent]

How many more must die in Lebanon thanks to Syria?

The Syrian Refugee Crisis is Pushing Lebanon to the Brink | Wilson Center

As far as Syria is concerned, there never was a Lebanon.

 

[MJB12741]

So true. And if this Syrian conflict continues much longer, the Syrians will even leave their own country in ruins.

How many more must die in Lebanon thanks to Syria?

The Syrian Refugee Crisis is Pushing Lebanon to the Brink | Wilson Center

As far as Syria is concerned, there never was a Lebanon.

 

[georgephillip]

"It was 'divide and conquer' that made it possible for an insignificant island in the north of Europe to rule the world. Division and chaos, tribal, religious and ethnic hatred, were the secret to empire.

"Guns and artillery were always in the background in case things went awry, but in fact, it rarely came to that.

"It would appear the Israelis have paid close attention to English colonial policy because their policies in the Occupied Territories bear a distressing resemblance to Ireland under the Penal Laws

"The Israeli Knesset recently prevented Palestinians married to Arab Israelis from acquiring citizenship, a page lifted almost directly from the 1692 laws.

"Israeli human rights activist Yael Stein called the action 'racist,' and Knesset member Zeeva Galon said it denied 'the fundamental right of Arab Israelis to start families.'

"Even the U.S. is uncomfortable with the legislation. 'The new law,' said U.S. State Department spokesman Phillip Reeker, 'singles out one group for different treatment than others.'

"Which, of course, was the whole point."

Divide and Conquer as Imperial Rules - FPIF

Of course.

You do realise that the same law is evident in the Islamic nations surrounding Palestine, and no Israeli is allowed to even enter half of them. For the record the European Union also has similar laws in place to stop the illegal marriages of migrants to paid brides for citizenship.

I hope you realize no Arab or European state has received as much US foreign aid since WWII as Israel, and Israel alleges to be the only democracy in the Middle East.

To whom much is given, much is expected, or maybe you think Arab apartheid and human rights violations justify the same crimes when Jews control the monopoly of state violence?

 

[aris2chat]

You don't think more was spent on Iraq or Afghanistan?
US give more to the arab states than to Israel.

 

[georgephillip]

I wonder if Mr. George will ever own up as to why he is spamming this forum with the same old Cuts and Pastes. Cutting and pasting an article once should be enough. What would Mr. George do if he couldn't Cut and Paste his way through forums?

"Syrian warplanes bombed on Wednesday a barren range of Lebanese hills used by Syrian rebels and refugees to cross between the two countries, wounding at least 10 Syrians who were rushed to hospital in a nearby Lebanese town, Beirut's state-run National News Agency said.

Cross-border strikes have been particularly intense this week around the town of Arsal, where thousands of Syrians have fled to escape their country's civil war over the past months. The attack came days after Lebanese forces fired on Syrian helicopters near the border, an apparent attempt by Lebanon to signal that it would be forceful in defending its territory..."

"More than 130,000 people have been killed so far in the war, now in its third year, according to the Observatory. The group closely monitors the violence in Syria through a network of activists across the country. The U.N. said in July that 100,000 Syrians have been killed, and has not updated that figure since. One third of Syria's entire pre-war population of 23 million people has been displaced because of the fighting."

We can all be sure Has(ally)bara would be far more wonderous if a proportionate number of Jews had been maimed, murdered, and displaced by US sponsored aggression in the New Middle East

Syrian Warplanes Bomb Hills Inside Lebanon - ABC News

BTW, Moron...why would anyone communicate on the internet without using its resources?

Communication is fine, George. You don't do that. Your cutting and pasting of articles from tabloid websites which designed to promote conspiracy theories are really quite laughable.

I hope this isn't a "tabloid website"

Syrian Warplanes Bomb Hills Inside Lebanon - ABC News

"On Monday, the Lebanese army fired on Syrian aircraft that they said violated the country's airspace. It was the first time Lebanon had defended its borders from Syria's military since the uprising broke out nearly three years ago."

Do you have any idea what would happen to the Lebanese army the first time it fired on the Israeli aircraft that regularly violate their air space?

 

[georgephillip]

You don't think more was spent on Iraq or Afghanistan?
US give more to the arab states than to Israel.

$118 billion since the end of WWII has gone to Israel.
I suspect the true cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan will eventually make the $118 billion look like pocket change, by comparison.

 

[aris2chat]

You don't think more was spent on Iraq or Afghanistan?
US give more to the arab states than to Israel.

$118 billion since the end of WWII has gone to Israel.
I suspect the true cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan will eventually make the $118 billion look like pocket change, by comparison.

More than $2 trillion has been spent on Iraq

 

[Hollie]

"Syrian warplanes bombed on Wednesday a barren range of Lebanese hills used by Syrian rebels and refugees to cross between the two countries, wounding at least 10 Syrians who were rushed to hospital in a nearby Lebanese town, Beirut's state-run National News Agency said.

Cross-border strikes have been particularly intense this week around the town of Arsal, where thousands of Syrians have fled to escape their country's civil war over the past months. The attack came days after Lebanese forces fired on Syrian helicopters near the border, an apparent attempt by Lebanon to signal that it would be forceful in defending its territory..."

"More than 130,000 people have been killed so far in the war, now in its third year, according to the Observatory. The group closely monitors the violence in Syria through a network of activists across the country. The U.N. said in July that 100,000 Syrians have been killed, and has not updated that figure since. One third of Syria's entire pre-war population of 23 million people has been displaced because of the fighting."

We can all be sure Has(ally)bara would be far more wonderous if a proportionate number of Jews had been maimed, murdered, and displaced by US sponsored aggression in the New Middle East

Syrian Warplanes Bomb Hills Inside Lebanon - ABC News

BTW, Moron...why would anyone communicate on the internet without using its resources?

Communication is fine, George. You don't do that. Your cutting and pasting of articles from tabloid websites which designed to promote conspiracy theories are really quite laughable.

I hope this isn't a "tabloid website"

Syrian Warplanes Bomb Hills Inside Lebanon - ABC News

"On Monday, the Lebanese army fired on Syrian aircraft that they said violated the country's airspace. It was the first time Lebanon had defended its borders from Syria's military since the uprising broke out nearly three years ago."

Do you have any idea what would happen to the Lebanese army the first time it fired on the Israeli aircraft that regularly violate their air space?

Why don't you tell us?

 

[Hollie]

"It was 'divide and conquer' that made it possible for an insignificant island in the north of Europe to rule the world. Division and chaos, tribal, religious and ethnic hatred, were the secret to empire.

"Guns and artillery were always in the background in case things went awry, but in fact, it rarely came to that.

"It would appear the Israelis have paid close attention to English colonial policy because their policies in the Occupied Territories bear a distressing resemblance to Ireland under the Penal Laws

"The Israeli Knesset recently prevented Palestinians married to Arab Israelis from acquiring citizenship, a page lifted almost directly from the 1692 laws.

"Israeli human rights activist Yael Stein called the action 'racist,' and Knesset member Zeeva Galon said it denied 'the fundamental right of Arab Israelis to start families.'

"Even the U.S. is uncomfortable with the legislation. 'The new law,' said U.S. State Department spokesman Phillip Reeker, 'singles out one group for different treatment than others.'

"Which, of course, was the whole point."

Divide and Conquer as Imperial Rules - FPIF

Of course.

You do realise that the same law is evident in the Islamic nations surrounding Palestine, and no Israeli is allowed to even enter half of them. For the record the European Union also has similar laws in place to stop the illegal marriages of migrants to paid brides for citizenship.

I hope you realize no Arab or European state has received as much US foreign aid since WWII as Israel, and Israel alleges to be the only democracy in the Middle East.

To whom much is given, much is expected, or maybe you think Arab apartheid and human rights violations justify the same crimes when Jews control the monopoly of state violence?

This has been addressed on many occasions. We have mutual interests and share common goals and aspirations with Israel.

The real issue is why the US contributes as much as it does to the welfare fraud program that helps support an Islamic terrorist enclave in Gaza.

 

[aris2chat]

Syria lost it's whole air force and air defense going up against Israel. Jordan and Egypt were usually out classed. Lebanese Air Force have given warning, when it had planes, to Israelis, but avoided direct confrontation. They might have been trained in the beginning in the same places, usually England, but the type of planes and maintenance, nor the type of training back home were not the same.
Now Israel's air superiority would be hard to match.
Lebanon is long over due to for it's own air force again. Time for it to protect it's land, not have militias like Hezbullah act as self appointed armies picking who to wage war on, without Lebanese consent or consideration.

 

[irosie91]

How many more must die in Lebanon thanks to Syria?

The Syrian Refugee Crisis is Pushing Lebanon to the Brink | Wilson Center

MJB-----as far as I am concerned-----you have nailed the BIG ISSUE. The fate of not
only syria---but also of lebanon---- depends on Assad's descent to hell, along with all
Hezbollah and al Queida elements polluting both lands

 

[Hollie]

Syria lost it's whole air force and air defense going up against Israel. Jordan and Egypt were usually out classed. Lebanese Air Force have given warning, when it had planes, to Israelis, but avoided direct confrontation. They might have been trained in the beginning in the same places, usually England, but the type of planes and maintenance, nor the type of training back home were not the same.
Now Israel's air superiority would be hard to match.
Lebanon is long over due to for it's own air force again. Time for it to protect it's land, not have militias like Hezbullah act as self appointed armies picking who to wage war on, without Lebanese consent or consideration.

Good post, aris2chat. In connection with Lebanon not having “militias like Hezbullah acting as self appointed armies”, that is problematic. The true military power in Lebanon today rests with Hezbullah via their being financed by the Iranian mullocrats. The important decisions regarding matters of war and political strategy as promoted by Hezbullah are being made and conducted by Iran. While Hezbullah has seats in the Lebanese Parliament, they act without regard to being a part of that representative government. The war that Hezbullah initiated with Israel in 2006 was a disaster for Lebanon. That war was initiated unilaterally by Hezbullah without regard or consideration for their responsibility to the Lebanese government. The Lebanese have made (or at least created the perception of having made) common cause with Hezbullah against Israel and in so doing, they risk sharing Hezbullah’s fate.

The bottom line is that the sunni/salafi/wahabbi version of Islamic totalitarianism is competing in a blood feud with the shia/Alawite version. Both sides have a vested interest in repression and exploitation. For example, Lebanon's occupation by Syria, while being a burden and existential threat to the everyday Lebanese, is an invaluable asset to the al-Assad - Alawite regime and to the Hezbullah fascists under his protection. They won't give it up without a fight that will not stop until there is one last jihadi standing, (and I hope a Marine sniper is there to take out that loser).

 

[irosie91]

so well stated Hollie and Aris------it is possible that there are persons living
in the world today who are ignorant of the GIANT sunni/shiite competing
tornados -----ripping the planet apart?----------well---yes---it is more than
possible------..........sad fact

I am very much concerned that some jerks may believe that adding energy
to one of those forces over the other constitutes a reasonable tactic.....
something like the jerky tactic of FUNDING THE TALIBAN

 

[Sunni Man]

The cowardly IDF got their ass handed to them by Hezbollah in their ill fated invasion of Lebanon in 2006

And I seriously doubt Israel wants to repeat that military mistake again. ....

 

[irosie91]

The cowardly IDF got their ass handed to them by Hezbollah in their ill fated invasion of Lebanon in 2006

And I seriously doubt Israel wants to repeat that military mistake again. ....

OH? so why are the filthy hezbollah dogs complaining? I agree that Israel
made a big mistake in Lebanon-----too many boots on the ground. There should
not have been even one------not even a lefty. Poor nus-kharah-alla

 

[Hollie]

The cowardly IDF got their ass handed to them by Hezbollah in their ill fated invasion of Lebanon in 2006

And I seriously doubt Israel wants to repeat that military mistake again. ....

And as usual, you're clueless, ignorant of the facts and have nothing of value to contribute. ......

 

[irosie91]

The cowardly IDF got their ass handed to them by Hezbollah in their ill fated invasion of Lebanon in 2006

And I seriously doubt Israel wants to repeat that military mistake again. ....

And as usual, you're clueless, ignorant of the facts and have nothing of value to contribute. ......

have you never seen cheerleaders at football games during half time?

no matter how things are going----they CHEER their home team----describe their
own as VICTORIOUS------and the other guys as "eating dust"----and they
jump up and down whilst chanting their songs

 

[aris2chat]

Syria lost it's whole air force and air defense going up against Israel. Jordan and Egypt were usually out classed. Lebanese Air Force have given warning, when it had planes, to Israelis, but avoided direct confrontation. They might have been trained in the beginning in the same places, usually England, but the type of planes and maintenance, nor the type of training back home were not the same.
Now Israel's air superiority would be hard to match.
Lebanon is long over due to for it's own air force again. Time for it to protect it's land, not have militias like Hezbullah act as self appointed armies picking who to wage war on, without Lebanese consent or consideration.

Good post, aris2chat. In connection with Lebanon not having “militias like Hezbullah acting as self appointed armies”, that is problematic. The true military power in Lebanon today rests with Hezbullah via their being financed by the Iranian mullocrats. The important decisions regarding matters of war and political strategy as promoted by Hezbullah are being made and conducted by Iran. While Hezbullah has seats in the Lebanese Parliament, they act without regard to being a part of that representative government. The war that Hezbullah initiated with Israel in 2006 was a disaster for Lebanon. That war was initiated unilaterally by Hezbullah without regard or consideration for their responsibility to the Lebanese government. The Lebanese have made (or at least created the perception of having made) common cause with Hezbullah against Israel and in so doing, they risk sharing Hezbullah’s fate.

The bottom line is that the sunni/salafi/wahabbi version of Islamic totalitarianism is competing in a blood feud with the shia/Alawite version. Both sides have a vested interest in repression and exploitation. For example, Lebanon's occupation by Syria, while being a burden and existential threat to the everyday Lebanese, is an invaluable asset to the al-Assad - Alawite regime and to the Hezbullah fascists under his protection. They won't give it up without a fight that will not stop until there is one last jihadi standing, (and I hope a Marine sniper is there to take out that loser).

Haf-Ass used to drain billions from Lebanon till the cedar revolution.
Lebanon needs it's own military, not political factions with private armies. Lebanese forces need to protect it's own borders not have thugs presume to do it for them. For too many years the army, where there was of it, was afraid to enter the south. There is the shiite problem of soldiers going up against their own sect. That was the reason the military stood down, and the air force was grounded, during the civil war.
Lebanese have to see themselves as Lebanese not this or that faith, first and foremost. They need to trust their government more than their clan lords and clerics.
Complicated mess that will not fix itself over night. Disarming Hezbullah would be a good start, since the other factions had to disarm after the war. Hezbullah has to renounce it's ties to Iran as well, but one step at a time.