Sweden, Which Never Had Lockdown, Sees COVID-19 Cases Plummet as Rest of Europe Suffers Spike

[bripat9643]

Those lockdowns are the miracle cure for COVID, aren't they?

https://www.newsweek.com/sweden-whi...ses-plummet-rest-europe-suffers-spike-1521626​

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Amid fears over a potential second wave of the novel coronavirus across Europe, new infections in Sweden, where full lockdown measures were not implemented, have mostly declined since late June.​

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The number of new cases per 100,000 people in Sweden reported over the last 14 days since July 29 dropped by 54 percent from the figure reported over 14 days prior to then, according to the latest report Wednesday from the World Health Organization (WHO).​

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Meanwhile, other parts of Europe have reported large spikes in new cases over the same period, including Spain, France, Germany, Belgium and The Netherlands, which have seen increases between 40 and 200 percent over the last month, according to the latest WHO report Wednesday.​

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The seven-day rolling average of Sweden's daily new cases has been dropping consistently since June 29. Its daily case count has been mostly decreasing since June 24, when it reported 1,803 new infections, its largest single-day spike since the outbreak began, according to data compiled by Worldometer.​

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The seven-day rolling average of daily new deaths in Sweden has also been declining since around April 15, when it reported a record daily death count of 115. The country's latest seven-day rolling averages for daily new cases and daily new deaths stand at 154 and 2.​

 

[shockedcanadian]

I don't know what is right or not, I have my own personal philosophy. It is clear, Sweden suffered less economically, mental health/career wise, emotional suffering etc. while maintaining the dignity of self determination.

There has always been a part of me that has rooted for them to succeed. Self determination is vital.

 

[kyzr]

Maybe the Swedes figured out how to comply with protocols? Maybe population density is key?

Sweden's daily case graph, 7,927 cases per 1m population

The US daily case graph, 14,006 cases per 1m population

 

[sealybobo]

Those lockdowns are the miracle cure for COVID, aren't they?

https://www.newsweek.com/sweden-whi...ses-plummet-rest-europe-suffers-spike-1521626​

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Amid fears over a potential second wave of the novel coronavirus across Europe, new infections in Sweden, where full lockdown measures were not implemented, have mostly declined since late June.​

​

The number of new cases per 100,000 people in Sweden reported over the last 14 days since July 29 dropped by 54 percent from the figure reported over 14 days prior to then, according to the latest report Wednesday from the World Health Organization (WHO).​

​

Meanwhile, other parts of Europe have reported large spikes in new cases over the same period, including Spain, France, Germany, Belgium and The Netherlands, which have seen increases between 40 and 200 percent over the last month, according to the latest WHO report Wednesday.​

​

The seven-day rolling average of Sweden's daily new cases has been dropping consistently since June 29. Its daily case count has been mostly decreasing since June 24, when it reported 1,803 new infections, its largest single-day spike since the outbreak began, according to data compiled by Worldometer.​

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The seven-day rolling average of daily new deaths in Sweden has also been declining since around April 15, when it reported a record daily death count of 115. The country's latest seven-day rolling averages for daily new cases and daily new deaths stand at 154 and 2.​

Sweden has more covid deaths than its neighbors. Per capita they had over 567 deaths per million compared to Denmark which had 100 deaths per million. Finland and Norway had around 50 deaths per million. Again, you republicans don’t care about the 500 people who died because the leadership in Sweden sucks. Sounds familiar

Republicans are pushing for herd immunity.

And now Sweden’s neighbors are demanding ten day quarantine before they let them in. This is hurting their economy. Their gdp will fall 5.4% in 2020

covid also has long lasting effects on a lot of people who get it but don’t die. Sweden may have fucked up a lot of thei citizens for life by choosing herd immunity

 

[konradv]

Those lockdowns are the miracle cure for COVID, aren't they?

https://www.newsweek.com/sweden-whi...ses-plummet-rest-europe-suffers-spike-1521626​

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Amid fears over a potential second wave of the novel coronavirus across Europe, new infections in Sweden, where full lockdown measures were not implemented, have mostly declined since late June.​

​

The number of new cases per 100,000 people in Sweden reported over the last 14 days since July 29 dropped by 54 percent from the figure reported over 14 days prior to then, according to the latest report Wednesday from the World Health Organization (WHO).​

​

Meanwhile, other parts of Europe have reported large spikes in new cases over the same period, including Spain, France, Germany, Belgium and The Netherlands, which have seen increases between 40 and 200 percent over the last month, according to the latest WHO report Wednesday.​

​

The seven-day rolling average of Sweden's daily new cases has been dropping consistently since June 29. Its daily case count has been mostly decreasing since June 24, when it reported 1,803 new infections, its largest single-day spike since the outbreak began, according to data compiled by Worldometer.​

​

The seven-day rolling average of daily new deaths in Sweden has also been declining since around April 15, when it reported a record daily death count of 115. The country's latest seven-day rolling averages for daily new cases and daily new deaths stand at 154 and 2.​

You left this part out. I guess deaths are of no concern!!!

However, the Scandinavian nation ranks eighth among countries with the highest number of COVID-19 deaths per 100,000 people. It outranks the U.S. and Brazil, which are the world's first and second worst-hit nations in terms of total cases, according to Johns Hopkins University.

 

[sealybobo]

I don't know what is right or not, I have my own personal philosophy. It is clear, Sweden suffered less economically, mental health/career wise, emotional suffering etc. while maintaining the dignity of self determination.

There has always been a part of me that has rooted for them to succeed. Self determination is vital.

And if 500 per million more got it needlessly and died by this approach no biggy right?

 

[sealybobo]

Maybe the Swedes figured out how to comply with protocols? Maybe population density is key?

View attachment 369509 Sweden's daily case graph, 7,927 cases per 1m population

View attachment 369510 The US daily case graph, 14,006 cases per 1m population

Theres a lot that factor in. Schools closed, its summer, restaurants were practically empty, people practiced social distancing, etc.

And there’s no saying they won’t have a surge in the fall.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Those lockdowns are the miracle cure for COVID, aren't they?

https://www.newsweek.com/sweden-whi...ses-plummet-rest-europe-suffers-spike-1521626​

​

Amid fears over a potential second wave of the novel coronavirus across Europe, new infections in Sweden, where full lockdown measures were not implemented, have mostly declined since late June.​

​

The number of new cases per 100,000 people in Sweden reported over the last 14 days since July 29 dropped by 54 percent from the figure reported over 14 days prior to then, according to the latest report Wednesday from the World Health Organization (WHO).​

​

Meanwhile, other parts of Europe have reported large spikes in new cases over the same period, including Spain, France, Germany, Belgium and The Netherlands, which have seen increases between 40 and 200 percent over the last month, according to the latest WHO report Wednesday.​

​

The seven-day rolling average of Sweden's daily new cases has been dropping consistently since June 29. Its daily case count has been mostly decreasing since June 24, when it reported 1,803 new infections, its largest single-day spike since the outbreak began, according to data compiled by Worldometer.​

​

The seven-day rolling average of daily new deaths in Sweden has also been declining since around April 15, when it reported a record daily death count of 115. The country's latest seven-day rolling averages for daily new cases and daily new deaths stand at 154 and 2.​

Sweden has more covid deaths than its neighbors. Per capita they had over 567 deaths per million compared to Denmark which had 100 deaths per million. Finland and Norway had around 50 deaths per million. Again, you republicans don’t care about the 500 people who died because the leadership in Sweden sucks. Sounds familiar

Republicans are pushing for herd immunity.

And now Sweden’s neighbors are demanding ten day quarantine before they let them in. This is hurting their economy. Their gdp will fall 5.4% in 2020

covid also has long lasting effects on a lot of people who get it but don’t die. Sweden may have fucked up a lot of thei citizens for life by choosing herd immunity

As I stated, whether you agree or not, they did it their way.

If any government in the world really gave a damn about this virus and ensuring we don't receive, yet another virus in the future; China would have full boycotts on their economy.

 

[AntonToo]

Amid fears over a potential second wave of the novel coronavirus across Europe, new infections in Sweden, where full lockdown measures were not implemented, have mostly declined since late June.

Horseshit. Sweeden should have as much fears of second wave as anyone else.

While Sweeden has not officially locked down....they were still pretty much locked down as people were volantarily curbing tourism, crowding and restraunt going. They also currently have higher death rate than even florida with about 6000 deaths in a population of just 11 million.

 

[Fueri]

This is no surprise at all. When lockdowns are lifted the virus has more targets and cases rise again.

Sweden took its shot on the chin but is likely better off for it. While it has taken a ton of criticism and people point at the per capita fatality rate, which is actually better than some states here, including Illinois where I am at and which imposed some of the most severe restrictions in the country at a relatively early time, what they seem to not understand is that this rate is cumulative. Sweden's fatalities have slowed way down and as other countries and areas very predictably spike again these gaps in those numbers will likely narrow.

 

[AntonToo]

This is no surprise at all. When lockdowns are lifted the virus has more targets and cases rise again.

Sweden took its shot on the chin but is likely better off for it. While it has taken a ton of criticism and people point at the per capita fatality rate, which is actually better than some states here, including Illinois where I am at and which imposed some of the most severe restrictions in the country at a relatively early time, what they seem to not understand is that this rate is cumulative. Sweden's fatalities have slowed way down and as other countries and areas very predictably spike again these gaps in those numbers will likely narrow.

How is it "better off for it"?

 

[Fueri]

This is no surprise at all. When lockdowns are lifted the virus has more targets and cases rise again.

Sweden took its shot on the chin but is likely better off for it. While it has taken a ton of criticism and people point at the per capita fatality rate, which is actually better than some states here, including Illinois where I am at and which imposed some of the most severe restrictions in the country at a relatively early time, what they seem to not understand is that this rate is cumulative. Sweden's fatalities have slowed way down and as other countries and areas very predictably spike again these gaps in those numbers will likely narrow.

How is it "better off for it"?

Because it will likely not see the on again off again wave effect of the lockdown countries and areas.

 

[AntonToo]

This is no surprise at all. When lockdowns are lifted the virus has more targets and cases rise again.

Sweden took its shot on the chin but is likely better off for it. While it has taken a ton of criticism and people point at the per capita fatality rate, which is actually better than some states here, including Illinois where I am at and which imposed some of the most severe restrictions in the country at a relatively early time, what they seem to not understand is that this rate is cumulative. Sweden's fatalities have slowed way down and as other countries and areas very predictably spike again these gaps in those numbers will likely narrow.

How is it "better off for it"?

Because it will likely not see the on again off again wave effect of the lockdown countries and areas.

Why not? Sweeden may not have officially shutdown, but they still had a slowdown period like most of Europe. As tourism picks up again and people start to get togather more often again the cases will rise unless there is a vaccine.

 

[sealybobo]

This is no surprise at all. When lockdowns are lifted the virus has more targets and cases rise again.

Sweden took its shot on the chin but is likely better off for it. While it has taken a ton of criticism and people point at the per capita fatality rate, which is actually better than some states here, including Illinois where I am at and which imposed some of the most severe restrictions in the country at a relatively early time, what they seem to not understand is that this rate is cumulative. Sweden's fatalities have slowed way down and as other countries and areas very predictably spike again these gaps in those numbers will likely narrow.

How is it "better off for it"?

Because it will likely not see the on again off again wave effect of the lockdown countries and areas.

That’s not likely. Maybe hopeful but no one says likely. Especially if they aren’t wearing masks and if they let their kids go to school this fall.

we could just go back to normal and let whoever gets sick get sick and whoever dies dies. We could do that. Herd immunity. Is that what you want to do? Rather than be careful until we come up with a vaccine? Maybe by September?

 

[Fueri]

This is no surprise at all. When lockdowns are lifted the virus has more targets and cases rise again.

Sweden took its shot on the chin but is likely better off for it. While it has taken a ton of criticism and people point at the per capita fatality rate, which is actually better than some states here, including Illinois where I am at and which imposed some of the most severe restrictions in the country at a relatively early time, what they seem to not understand is that this rate is cumulative. Sweden's fatalities have slowed way down and as other countries and areas very predictably spike again these gaps in those numbers will likely narrow.

How is it "better off for it"?

Because it will likely not see the on again off again wave effect of the lockdown countries and areas.

Why not?

Because they will not be flipping conditions on and off like a switch.

 

[Rambunctious]

Sweden, Which Never Had Lockdown, Sees COVID-19 Cases Plummet


They must not have an election coming up....or rioters in the streets....

 

[AntonToo]

This is no surprise at all. When lockdowns are lifted the virus has more targets and cases rise again.

Sweden took its shot on the chin but is likely better off for it. While it has taken a ton of criticism and people point at the per capita fatality rate, which is actually better than some states here, including Illinois where I am at and which imposed some of the most severe restrictions in the country at a relatively early time, what they seem to not understand is that this rate is cumulative. Sweden's fatalities have slowed way down and as other countries and areas very predictably spike again these gaps in those numbers will likely narrow.

How is it "better off for it"?

Because it will likely not see the on again off again wave effect of the lockdown countries and areas.

Why not?

Because they will not be flipping conditions on and off like a switch.

So you are saying as tourism picks up again and people start going back to restraunts and school there will not be a pickiup in cases?

 

[Fueri]

This is no surprise at all. When lockdowns are lifted the virus has more targets and cases rise again.

Sweden took its shot on the chin but is likely better off for it. While it has taken a ton of criticism and people point at the per capita fatality rate, which is actually better than some states here, including Illinois where I am at and which imposed some of the most severe restrictions in the country at a relatively early time, what they seem to not understand is that this rate is cumulative. Sweden's fatalities have slowed way down and as other countries and areas very predictably spike again these gaps in those numbers will likely narrow.

How is it "better off for it"?

Because it will likely not see the on again off again wave effect of the lockdown countries and areas.

Why not?

Because they will not be flipping conditions on and off like a switch.

So you are saying as tourism picks up again and people start going back to restraunts and school there will not be a pickiup in cases?

I don't think schools have been closed there, or daycare centers, businesses, restaurants etc.

They have established a status quo which will not see the severe differentiation we will see in countries and areas that are imposing lockdowns, business closures. school closures etc. As those restrictions are lifted cases rise. We're seeing it now here. They likely won't see that there as those limitations were never imposed in the first place. Might there be a rise due to increased tourism or whatever? Sure, but the citizens of the country itself are not seeing these sorts of whipsaw conditions, which temporarily try to restrict targets for the virus, which then are available targets again as soon as those restrictions are lifted.

 

[AntonToo]

This is no surprise at all. When lockdowns are lifted the virus has more targets and cases rise again.

Sweden took its shot on the chin but is likely better off for it. While it has taken a ton of criticism and people point at the per capita fatality rate, which is actually better than some states here, including Illinois where I am at and which imposed some of the most severe restrictions in the country at a relatively early time, what they seem to not understand is that this rate is cumulative. Sweden's fatalities have slowed way down and as other countries and areas very predictably spike again these gaps in those numbers will likely narrow.

How is it "better off for it"?

Because it will likely not see the on again off again wave effect of the lockdown countries and areas.

Why not?

Because they will not be flipping conditions on and off like a switch.

So you are saying as tourism picks up again and people start going back to restraunts and school there will not be a pickiup in cases?

I don't think schools have been closed there, or daycare centers, businesses, restaurants etc.

They have established a status quo which will not see the severe differentiation we will see in countries and areas that are imposing lockdowns, business closures etc. As those restrictions are lifted cases rise. We're seeing it now here. They likely won't see that there as those limitations were never imposed in the first place. Might there be a rise due to increased tourism or whatever? Sure, but the citizens of the country itself are not seeing these sorts of whipsaw conditions, which temporarily try to restrict targets for the virus, which then are available targets again as soon as those restrictions are lifted.

You seem to think that just because there was no hard shutdown there was not a strong contraction in social gathering and that is just not true.

for exmaple:

https://www.thelocal.se/20200729/ive-spent-my-whole-life-fighting-to-build-this-restaurant

Usually she would serve 50 guests each day, but that number has dwindled to around five since she reopened in June, following two months' closure at the start of the coronavirus outbreak.

or

Sweden's new coronavirus rule for restaurants, bars and cafes

https://www.thelocal.se/20200702/sweden-introduces-one-metre-rule-for-restaurants-bars-and-cafes

or

Sweden Has Avoided a Coronavirus Lockdown. Its Economy Is Hurting Anyway.

Sweden Has Avoided a Coronavirus Lockdown. Its Economy Is Hurting Anyway.

Sweden’s decision not to impose a mandatory national lockdown has drawn global attention. But it turns out the situation here isn’t as different as it might first appear.

www.wsj.com

 

[Fueri]

This is no surprise at all. When lockdowns are lifted the virus has more targets and cases rise again.

Sweden took its shot on the chin but is likely better off for it. While it has taken a ton of criticism and people point at the per capita fatality rate, which is actually better than some states here, including Illinois where I am at and which imposed some of the most severe restrictions in the country at a relatively early time, what they seem to not understand is that this rate is cumulative. Sweden's fatalities have slowed way down and as other countries and areas very predictably spike again these gaps in those numbers will likely narrow.

How is it "better off for it"?

Because it will likely not see the on again off again wave effect of the lockdown countries and areas.

Why not?

Because they will not be flipping conditions on and off like a switch.

So you are saying as tourism picks up again and people start going back to restraunts and school there will not be a pickiup in cases?

I don't think schools have been closed there, or daycare centers, businesses, restaurants etc.

They have established a status quo which will not see the severe differentiation we will see in countries and areas that are imposing lockdowns, business closures etc. As those restrictions are lifted cases rise. We're seeing it now here. They likely won't see that there as those limitations were never imposed in the first place. Might there be a rise due to increased tourism or whatever? Sure, but the citizens of the country itself are not seeing these sorts of whipsaw conditions, which temporarily try to restrict targets for the virus, which then are available targets again as soon as those restrictions are lifted.

You seem to think that just because there was no hard shutdown there was not a strong contraction in social gathering and that is just not true.

for exmaple:

https://www.thelocal.se/20200729/ive-spent-my-whole-life-fighting-to-build-this-restaurant

Usually she would serve 50 guests each day, but that number has dwindled to around five since she reopened in June, following two months' closure at the start of the coronavirus outbreak.

or

Sweden's new coronavirus rule for restaurants, bars and cafes

https://www.thelocal.se/20200702/sweden-introduces-one-metre-rule-for-restaurants-bars-and-cafes

or

Sweden Has Avoided a Coronavirus Lockdown. Its Economy Is Hurting Anyway.

Sweden Has Avoided a Coronavirus Lockdown. Its Economy Is Hurting Anyway.

Sweden’s decision not to impose a mandatory national lockdown has drawn global attention. But it turns out the situation here isn’t as different as it might first appear.

www.wsj.com

I didn't say that. I expressly stated they had established a status quo.