Supreme Court Rules 7-2 on Obamacare

[FA_Q2]

It was just announced that the Supreme Court ruled 7-2 on Obamacare saying the states don't have standing on this case.

So Obamacare stays.

For now.

Supreme Court spares Obamacare from GOP challenge

Two of Trump's three appointees, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett, joined the majority opinion, while the third, Neil Gorsuch, dissented.

www.nbcnews.com

The same cop out they used to not rule on Democrat election fraud

The same cop out they used to not rule on Democrat election fraud

Exactly!
Republicans showed up again empty handed and without merit.

That isn't what I said. God you're stupid

That isn't what I said. God you're stupid

It’s exactly what you said. You just don’t understand what you meant by “cop out”.
SCOTUS literally decided that the argument was so dumb that they couldn’t rule on it.

No, the literally did not. That is not what dismissed for lack of standing means. The closest you can get to what you are saying is dismissed with prejudice but that does not even make the jump you are here - courts do not make a ruling on the level of intelligence an argument brings. Considering it was not even a 9-0 decision, it is clear the court did not state it was so dumb they could not rule on it.

 

[SavannahMann]

You've managed to put politicians in charge of our health care. Congrats.

As one who has battled the Insurance Companies before. And will again. It is honestly not a concern of mine. Frankly the longer I spend trying to get the insurance companies to care for my wife as they are supposed to, the better Single Payer sounds.

As long as you don't mind every single election being a referendum on whether grandma lives or dies.

That referendum is being fought out monthly now. You mean I can make it a fight I have to deal with every couple years instead? My God. That sounds like paradise.

No, I'm talking about something radically different. I'm talking about majority rules decisions, where we take a vote and we're stuck with whatever the majority wants. That's not necessary.

Nonsense. The Republicans want to cut funding. But don’t want to actually be blamed for it. After all it was Bush who pushed through the Medicare Prescription Drug plan. Which wasn’t much of a help. But it was some help.

The idea that care for my loved ones will come down to a vote is insane.

The battles will be fought over procedures and coverage. Republicans will scream and shout about not covering Abortion. Democrats will scream and shout over the issue.

Republicans will demand that services be cut. Democrats will campaign on raising taxes on the rich to pay for more services.

In other words. Exactly where we are now.

 

[FA_Q2]

This is just another example of why we can't trust the Judicial to protect our Liberties any more than we can trust the Legislative or Executive Branches.

Just remember that the first Obamacare ruling was that it was legal because it was a fucking tax. Even though the Obama administration argued that it wasn't a tax. How friggin stupid was that?

What is really ironic is that the left always seems to think that the judges the right appoints are going to be just like the ones they appoint - judicial activists married to an ideology. You rarely see the left leaning court appointees break away and vote against the block. The right leaning judges do it all the time.

 

[FA_Q2]

The idea that care for my loved ones will come down to a vote is insane.

Huh?

That is exactly what government healthcare is. If the government controls your care it will always come down to a vote by definition, at least as long as we keep this form of government. I guess a totalitarian government would not depend on a vote.

 

[kaz]

It was just announced that the Supreme Court ruled 7-2 on Obamacare saying the states don't have standing on this case.

So Obamacare stays.

For now.

Supreme Court spares Obamacare from GOP challenge

Two of Trump's three appointees, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett, joined the majority opinion, while the third, Neil Gorsuch, dissented.

www.nbcnews.com

The same cop out they used to not rule on Democrat election fraud

The same cop out they used to not rule on Democrat election fraud

Exactly!
Republicans showed up again empty handed and without merit.

That isn't what I said. God you're stupid

That isn't what I said. God you're stupid

It’s exactly what you said. You just don’t understand what you meant by “cop out”.
SCOTUS literally decided that the argument was so dumb that they couldn’t rule on it.

You're a total fucking retard.

The only double standard is your Democrat one that your rules don't apply to you

 

[Flash]

This is just another example of why we can't trust the Judicial to protect our Liberties any more than we can trust the Legislative or Executive Branches.

Just remember that the first Obamacare ruling was that it was legal because it was a fucking tax. Even though the Obama administration argued that it wasn't a tax. How friggin stupid was that?

What is really ironic is that the left always seems to think that the judges the right appoints are going to be just like the ones they appoint - judicial activists married to an ideology. You rarely see the left leaning court appointees break away and vote against the block. The right leaning judges do it all the time.

I don't trust judges with my Liberty.

However, this was really a decision of standing. Since the penalty for not having Obamacare has been removed then there was no damages, thus no standing.

Not as bad as a Supreme Court decision to allow a mother to kill her unborn child.

 

[otto105]

f you want nothing from the government then only drive on your roads, go to your schools, have your own military, have your own fire fighters, have your own police, if you cannot pay for health care, die

I want nothing from the Government except what they’re specifically given power over in founding documents, and which I pay taxes for:

From the Feds thst would be interstate roads and defense of the nation (not other nations). From the state that would be state roads. From the local Government that would be fire, police, local roads. Schools should be a private affair.

The Government should not have its nose or fingers in most of people’s affairs. Definitely not our health care.

Libertarianism doesn't work.

Try to keep up.

 

[kaz]

But we do wonder why Americans refuse single payer universal health care that's half the cost per capita and proven to be better in other countries?

It’s something called self-reliance and personal responsibility. I wouldn’t expect foreigners to understand but some of us believe we can do a better job of looking after ourselves than the Government can.

I understand the mindset that holds Americans back from demanding better. And yes, some of you still, after many years of torture, still think that for profit health care is going to come to the rescue.

Give the private insurance companies another 40 or 50 years to get it right. It's only fair!

I understand the mindset that holds Americans back from demanding better. And yes, some of you still, after many years of torture, still think that for profit health care is going to come to the rescue.

Give the private insurance companies another 40 or 50 years to get it right. It's only fair!

How will you pay for services without health insurance? Who’s paying that $250k bill for the 10 surgeries to rebuild your pelvis after a car accident or your $60k a month chemotherapy treatments?
There’s a reason health insurance exists. The healthy pay for the sick. Not many individuals could afford to pay for open heart surgery out of pocket.

Insurance is to spread unknown risk, not known costs. What you are describing is welfare. Welfare should be a last resort backup, not the way the entire system is designed

Insurance is to spread unknown risk, not known costs. What you are describing is welfare. Welfare should be a last resort backup, not the way the entire system is designed

WTF? Risk is cost to insurers.
Insurance, like any business, is about controlling cost in order to maximize profits. The risks and costs of untreated chronic disease are well known and understood. It is proven that people actually go to their doctors and manage their chronic illnesses when they have coverage. It is by far cheaper to manage disease then treat the inevitable and avoidable emergencies that require hospital interventions and stays. This is the concept of wellness. It’s better for you and cheaper for your insurers to have your doctors to help you stay well rather than treat you emergently.

You fundamentally don't understand insurance. Insurance is ex ante, not ex post. You're trying to create a welfare program out of it where known costs are spread out driving up the cost of other insured who then don't want to buy it because it's too expensive. That is a welfare program and only works when government uses force

You fundamentally don't understand insurance. Insurance is ex ante, not ex post. You're trying to create a welfare program out of it where known costs are spread out driving up the cost of other insured who then don't want to buy it because it's too expensive. That is a welfare program and only works when government uses force

I’ve done no such thing. I said nothing of welfare or suggested it be free or without profit. It’s obvious to anyone reading this that it is you who struggles.

You clearly did, liar. You said insurance is where healthy people pay for unhealthy people. Actually insurance is about risk pooling. Insurance is based on ex ante risks, not ex post money redistribution. That is socialism, not insurance

 

[otto105]

I think it's a very good thing that we still have Obamacare.

In fact, I think we should do away with insurance companies for health care.

Most people in America can't stand insurance companies controlling what health care they can have and denying to pay medical bills.

We have some people who can have health care without being bankrupted or have insurance premiums that aren't astronomical. It's not fair that some people have proper insurance that is affordable and others don't here in the United States.

Our health care system is a total mess.

I've spent way too much time discussing the merits, or lack thereof, of ACA. It's corporatist shitshow throughout.

But, outside it's corruption and the blatant violation of Constitutional limits on government, the ACA does not have broad consensus. It was passed on strict partisan lines and will be a political football going forward, constantly torn and twisted as successive administrations get their hands on it.

You've managed to put politicians in charge of our health care. Congrats.

You will never convince a Statist that anything is wrong with a government program.

Black or white.....white or black.

Say, just where is libertarianism practiced on this planet?

Everywhere. Most of the time.

Where exactly?

 

[kaz]

Insurance is to spread unknown risk, not known costs. What you are describing is welfare. Welfare should be a last resort backup, not the way the entire system is designed

Insurance is to spread unknown risk, not known costs. What you are describing is welfare. Welfare should be a last resort backup, not the way the entire system is designed

WTF? Risk is cost to insurers.
Insurance, like any business, is about controlling cost in order to maximize profits. The risks and costs of untreated chronic disease are well known and understood. It is proven that people actually go to their doctors and manage their chronic illnesses when they have coverage. It is by far cheaper to manage disease then treat the inevitable and avoidable emergencies that require hospital interventions and stays. This is the concept of wellness. It’s better for you and cheaper for your insurers to have your doctors to help you stay well rather than treat you emergently.

You fundamentally don't understand insurance. Insurance is ex ante, not ex post. You're trying to create a welfare program out of it where known costs are spread out driving up the cost of other insured who then don't want to buy it because it's too expensive. That is a welfare program and only works when government uses force

Most things only work because of the government's monopolization of force

Or you think things like contracts, or intellectual property are protected by nature??

Yes, retard, I think mother nature enforces contracts.

What the fuck are you talking about? That doesn't address anything I said. Want to read it again and try 2/3 to at least address the subject?

 

[Anathema]

Libertarianism doesn't work.

Then maybe it’s time to blow this whole place up and start over from scratch.

 

[otto105]

Libertarianism doesn't work.

Then maybe it’s time to blow this whole place up and start over from scratch.

Why? Our country doesn't practice a failed economic theory.

 

[Anathema]

Why? Our country doesn't practice a failed economic theory

You mean like Democracy or the Republic? I would suggest what we need is a Constitutional Authoritarian government. That would be a nice change.

 

[otto105]

Why? Our country doesn't practice a failed economic theory

You mean like Democracy or the Republic? I would suggest what we need is a Constitutional Authoritarian government. That would be a nice change.

I get the sarcasm.

 

[FA_Q2]

Why? Our country doesn't practice a failed economic theory

You mean like Democracy or the Republic? I would suggest what we need is a Constitutional Authoritarian government. That would be a nice change.

I get the sarcasm.

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That is not sarcasm. Anathema is quite honest in his support of authoritarianism. Has been since he started posting here iirc.

 

[otto105]

Why? Our country doesn't practice a failed economic theory

You mean like Democracy or the Republic? I would suggest what we need is a Constitutional Authoritarian government. That would be a nice change.

I get the sarcasm.

...

That is not sarcasm. Anathema is quite honest in his support of authoritarianism. Has been since he started posting here iirc.

What a waste of time posting by him.

Thanks FA_Q2

 

[Anathema]

I get the sarcasm

No sarcasm involved. I have zero interest in seeing this nation maintain a Democratic government.,Democracy has been proven a failure. We need to move on.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Fine with me...I'm not stuck with it....Obama care is over priced and unaffordable and has high deductibles....people with obamacare that come down with severe illness still end up in bankruptcy court.....

This is a lie as well as a sour grapes fallacy.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

No. Working Americans loose again. The only people who like Obamacare are those the rest of us are paying for.

If Renquist had still been alive and Chief Justice of the SC, Obamacare would have been kicked to the curb. Right where it belongs.

lol

Blame your fellow Republicans and the idiot Trump:

‘Breyer wrote that none of the challengers, including Texas and 17 other states and the individual plaintiffs, could trace a legal injury to the individual mandate, partly because a Republican-backed tax law signed by Trump in 2017 had wiped out the financial penalty.

"Unsurprisingly, the states have not demonstrated that an unenforceable mandate will cause their residents to enroll in valuable benefits programs that they would otherwise forgo," Breyer wrote.’

U.S. Supreme Court rejects Trump-backed challenge to Obamacare

The U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday rejected a Republican bid backed by former President Donald Trump's administration to invalidate Obamacare, preserving the landmark healthcare law for the third time since its 2010 enactment.

www.reuters.com

Absent a financial penalty, the constitutionality of the IM is moot.

 

[Rambunctious]

Fine with me...I'm not stuck with it....Obama care is over priced and unaffordable and has high deductibles....people with obamacare that come down with severe illness still end up in bankruptcy court.....

This is a lie as well as a sour grapes fallacy.

Its not a lie...if you claim it is show the proof....