Students are being trained by union teachers to say ‘F--- ICE.’

[Bitterhook]

Poor comparison. You want great results start actually paying decent wages then.

The district where I live pays higher wages for teachers than any other district in the state.
They also recruit from all across the country to get teachers that meet the racial quotas set by the Department of Justice within the district.

We don't have a problem finding teachers that want to work for what they are paid here, just finding teachers that can meet the standards required and who will stay when they find out excuses aren't tolerated.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

One isolated incident.

So was George Floyd.

 

[initforme]

That's obvious, but your best and what the taxpayers desire should be within the same range.

The analogy wasn't about being broken, it weas about the mechanic not doing their job or what the consumer desired, and the consumer not needing to be an expert at repairing vehicles, to know when the job wasn't done correctly.

Let the consumer go in and teach. Let these experts show the nation how the kids will just wait with excitement to be taught.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Shop classes?
They don't even have shop classes anymore.
Actually, I worked for a school for 6 years so once again you've proven yourself wrong. It's sort of a habit with you, isn't it?
The school I worked for took the rejects of society, mainly minorities. And we gave them a free computer (paid for by the state) and paid for their internet and we had fantastic teachers.
I was in the administrative area, not a teacher, but I knew them all and they were absolutely dedicated and fantastic.
We graduated more students than any school in Ohio.
So I know a little bit, Mister Arrogant.
Now, from Grok, I asked this question: "Are public school test scores better or worse than 20 years ago? (Notice I only picked 20 years ... I could have picked 40 or 60):
And the answer is:

Public school test scores in the US are generally worse now than they were 20 years ago (around 2005–2006), particularly when looking at recent data. This conclusion comes primarily from the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP), often called the Nation's Report Card, which is the most consistent long-term measure of US student achievement in reading and mathematics (covering public and private schools, though the vast majority are public).

My son took shop classes in high school 20 years ago when he graduated. I am pretty sure they are still taught. Also, my school districts had three separate vocational high schools for students to attend if they wanted.

We have the garbage in - garbage out pathway rears its ugly head again. When society starts providing high quality raw materials, educators will have something to work with. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

 

[Winco]

Shop classes?
They don't even have shop classes anymore.
Actually, I worked for a school for 6 years so once again you've proven yourself wrong. It's sort of a habit with you, isn't it?
The school I worked for took the rejects of society, mainly minorities. And we gave them a free computer (paid for by the state) and paid for their internet and we had fantastic teachers.
I was in the administrative area, not a teacher, but I knew them all and they were absolutely dedicated and fantastic.
We graduated more students than any school in Ohio.
So I know a little bit, Mister Arrogant.
Now, from Grok, I asked this question: "Are public school test scores better or worse than 20 years ago? (Notice I only picked 20 years ... I could have picked 40 or 60):
And the answer is:

Public school test scores in the US are generally worse now than they were 20 years ago (around 2005–2006), particularly when looking at recent data. This conclusion comes primarily from the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP), often called the Nation's Report Card, which is the most consistent long-term measure of US student achievement in reading and mathematics (covering public and private schools, though the vast majority are public).

In the PNw, they certainly do have shop classes.
Schools have metal shops and wood shops.
I would know , I was there.

 

[Lockback]

Poor comparison. You want great results start actually paying decent wages then.

Oh, please spare me. I've known several teachers and they're extremely well paid.
That's such an old hack line that's 50 years out of date.
What bullshit.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Let the consumer go in and teach. Let these experts show the nation how the kids will just wait with excitement to be taught.

A lucid moment occurs! Good job!

 

[Lockback]

In the PNw, they certainly do have shop classes.
Schools have metal shops and wood shops.
I would know , I was there.

I'm glad. I loved shop class and it's very much a necessity in my book.
I don't think they have them around here anymore, which is too bad.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

That's obvious, but your best and what the taxpayers desire should be within the same range.

The analogy wasn't about being broken, it weas about the mechanic not doing their job or what the consumer desired, and the consumer not needing to be an expert at repairing vehicles, to know when the job wasn't done correctly.

Read my previous post about raw materials.

 

[Bitterhook]

Let the consumer go in and teach. Let these experts show the nation how the kids will just wait with excitement to be taught.

I am not paying the kids, nor the parents who may have opinions.
Teachers can just do their job and meet the standards.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I'm glad. I loved shop class and it's very much a necessity in my book.
I don't think they have them around here anymore, which is too bad.

That is your school boards fault. Take it up with them.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The kids need to work harder. Also they need to quit working part time jobs. Make it illegal for anyone under 18 to work. Then they can study alot more. Plus it would make employers have to work much harder to find part time workers. Thats a great thing.

Try using English words in your posts. The collection of letters "alot" is not a word.

 

[80zephyr]

The kids need to work harder. Also they need to quit working part time jobs. Make it illegal for anyone under 18 to work. Then they can study alot more. Plus it would make employers have to work much harder to find part time workers. Thats a great thing.

Thats crazy. Jobs are a part of learning as well.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I am not paying the kids, nor the parents who may have opinions.
Teachers can just do their job and meet the standards.

Kids have to meet your standards, not the teachers. Teachers meet their standards everyday.

 

[initforme]

I am not paying the kids, nor the parents who may have opinions.
Teachers can just do their job and meet the standards.

I notice how you dont ask the students to put in any effort.

 

[initforme]

Thats crazy. Jobs are a part of learning as well.

No they arent. Kids have their whole adult lives to waste away working.

 

[80zephyr]

No they arent. Kids have their whole adult lives to waste away working.

I disagree.

 

[Winco]

I'm glad. I loved shop class and it's very much a necessity in my book.
I don't think they have them around here anymore, which is too bad.

Some info.

Do high schools in Ohio still have shop classes?

Yes — many high schools in Ohio still offer “shop-style” classes, though they often look different today than the traditional woodshop or metal shop of decades past and are usually part of Career and Technical Education (CTE) or vocational programs rather than stand-alone “shop” electives from the past.

What’s happening now in Ohio schools​

1. Career & Technical Education (CTE) is widely available
Ohio high schools, joint vocational school districts (JVSDs), and career centers offer hands-on training in trades and technical fields such as automotive technology, construction, welding, machining, and more. These are the modern equivalents of shop classes and often lead to industry credentials.

2. Some traditional woodshop/metal shop programs still exist or are being revived
At least some individual schools — like Lakeside High School — have brought back woodshop programs in response to student interest.

3. Vocational training options beyond the high school building
Many students attend career and technical centers (like the Trumbull Career and Technical Center or Columbiana County Career and Technical Center) where they take specialized shop-type courses while still earning high school credit.

 

[Bitterhook]

Read my previous post about raw materials.

I read your post and understood it.
It is true that children are different and some have disadvantages.

You want to talk to me about mainstreaming children into classes where they cannot do the classwork?
You want to discuss policies that are not productive in the classroom?

You've been a teacher, so share something worthwhile.
I haven't been a teacher, but I have audited schools against the standards, have observed testing to ensure it meets the state's requirements.

I know schools and school districts are different.
I know that teachers take a lot of heat from parents and community members that they don't always deserve.

 

[initforme]

I disagree.

If they arent getting good grades they have no business working. Make it illegal and make employers employer pool alot smaller. Win win