student escorted out of class for not saying the pledge

[☭proletarian☭]

Having children stand up and recite a "pledge of allegiance" every school day is ridiculous to begin with. People can decide for themselves where their loyalties lie when they're adults.

Coming from anti-american back-stabbing Sand N#gger like yourself, who would expect any less.

Should kids be forced to say the pledge each and every mourning? Damn right they should. **** the PC shit and **** the liberal BS! The pledge of alliance is NOT a religious thing its an American thing. If your an American or a non-citizen resident of this country and you refuse to say the pledge of alliance, then I say the hell with you!

Sounds like something Hitler would say.
Why would you expect a citizen of another country to pledge allegiance to this country? They owe allegiance to their own countries.

All men owe their allegiance to their principles. Faithfulness to and support of any State are contingent on that State standing for and being guided by those principles.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

student escorted out of class for not saying the pledge

While his display of a lack of respect for flag and his country disgusts me I respect his rights under the 1st Amendment. He was in keeping with current school policy and therefore should have been left alone.

 

[chanel]

You're right and the school handled it badly. But pledging "allegiance" to ones country, is one of the responsibilities of citizenship. That flag symbolizes one's right to be a lazy asshole. With "rights" come responsibilities. People often forget that part.

LEGAL immigrants get it.

And those lazy assholes will get thrown out of a ballpark or concert venue if they don't stand in an arena in NJ. Schools are supposed to prepare kids for real life.

 

[Ravi]

Aren't the ones on this thread having a meltdown over this the very same posters that applauded schools and teachers for disallowing Obama to speak to school children via the school district's tv station?

That was showing disrespect to one of the symbols of democracy and our country.



Sometimes the hypocrisy is amusing.

 

[eots]

The ACLU got it ruled several years back that we could not force children to say or even learn the Pledge of Allegiance.

Just another reason I can't stand the ACLU.

you hate them because people aren't forced to do something daily in a free country???

Ollie hates us for our freedoms

 

[chanel]

Pledging allegiance to a country is not the same as chanting or singing about one man. I had no problem with Pres. Obama speaking to students. In fact, his speech was great. It was the worshipping aspect of the supplementary teaching materials that most folks opposed. But of course you probably already knew that Ravi.

 

[chanel]

Oh and here's some info on "freedom of speech" in the classroom. Lewd, offensive, racist, argumentative, threatening, and disrespectful speech is a punishable offense. The courts have agreed. Teachers do not have the ability to change the way a student thinks or what they say outside the classroom, but they have the RESPONSIBILITY to restrict - gasp - what is said or done in class. Enforcing the law and enforcing school rules are two completely set of circumstances. People often forget that - like the ACLU.

 

[JWBooth]

Before getting too wound up about this incidence of the child refusing to repeat P.O.A. like a good little sheeple; the article makes no mention as to why the child chooses not to repeat it. The implication is that this is a sudden event after what appears to be years of rote repetition. A sudden political awareness? Joined a new church? Teenage act of rebellion?

Before patting the child on the back, or condemning her, I would like to know the answers.

The teacher, little fascist that she is, should get a couple of days off, with instructions to read the constitution, in addition to what they have already done.

 

[chanel]

Does it matter? The child was too young to take an ideological stand, and most likely was coerced into it by the parents (which has been the case in most of these stories). But it seems the law is clear. Not pledging allegiance simply because one is too lazy or hungover is now a constitutional right. Thank the ACLU.

Will profanity in the classroom become "protected speech" in the near future? I'm sure there's lawyers working on it now as we speak.

 

[del]

always loved the people who force allegiance to liberty....

washingtonpost.com

Here's your FIRST CLUE THIS IS BULLSHIT

The unidentified student was mocked by other children in her class and has been too traumatized to return to Roberto Clemente Middle School in Germantown, according to Ajmel Quereshi, a lawyer with the American Civil Liberties Union of Maryland who is representing the family.


TEACH THESE YOUNGSTERS TO HATE their Country. Thatta' Way!

Makes one wonder, just what kind of name is Ajmel Quereshi?

american

 

[Ravi]

Before getting too wound up about this incidence of the child refusing to repeat P.O.A. like a good little sheeple; the article makes no mention as to why the child chooses not to repeat it. The implication is that this is a sudden event after what appears to be years of rote repetition. A sudden political awareness? Joined a new church? Teenage act of rebellion?

Before patting the child on the back, or condemning her, I would like to know the answers.

The teacher, little fascist that she is, should get a couple of days off, with instructions to read the constitution, in addition to what they have already done.

School policy is that no one is required to participate in patriotic displays so the reason doesn't matter.

 

[Ravi]

Does it matter? The child was too young to take an ideological stand, and most likely was coerced into it by the parents (which has been the case in most of these stories). But it seems the law is clear. Not pledging allegiance simply because one is too lazy or hungover is now a constitutional right. Thank the ACLU.

Will profanity in the classroom become "protected speech" in the near future? I'm sure there's lawyers working on it now as we speak.

As far as I know, it always has been a constitutional right. But if you want to give credit to the ACLU that is okay. Thank God for the ACLU.

 

[chanel]

Most likely but wouldn't that be a twist if an illegal alien child refused to pledge (while being provided a free and guaranteed public education?

I think the ACLU and the Supreme Court needs to stay out of simple school rule enforcement. If a school in a military town wants their children to stand, they should be able to say so. And if an America hating community wants to give it up completely, so be it. This "students' rights" to "expression" in all its vulgarity has got to stop. Save it for the interwebs haters.

And del, you know as well as I, that we never learn the whole story when children are involved. The school cannot divulge what really went down. In this case they were clearly wrong to get the cops involved, but the "taunting" may have been self inflicted.

 

[Ravi]

Uh, no, Chanel. A community cannot take away someone's constitutionally guaranteed rights.

What subject do you teach?

 

[eots]

I love a good pledge

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[chanel]

Children have limited constitutional rights Ravi. Just because you attended school does not mean you know how to run one.

There is no such thing as unlimited free speech for adults either. You yourself said you would fire anyone dissing a client on facebook. Schools have the obligation to teach kids about the "real world" too. Actions have consequences.

 

[Ravi]

Children have limited constitutional rights Ravi. Just because you attended school does not mean you know how to run one.

There is no such thing as unlimited free speech for adults either. You yourself said you would fire anyone dissing a client on facebook. Schools have the obligation to teach kids about the "real world" too. Actions have consequences.

Yes, children do have limited constitutional rights. But being forced to recite the pledge is not one of the limited ones.

 

[SFC Ollie]

The ACLU got it ruled several years back that we could not force children to say or even learn the Pledge of Allegiance.

Just another reason I can't stand the ACLU.

you hate them because people aren't forced to do something daily in a free country???

Ollie hates us for our freedoms

**** you asswipe.

 

[Coyote]

Most likely but wouldn't that be a twist if an illegal alien child refused to pledge (while being provided a free and guaranteed public education?

I think the ACLU and the Supreme Court needs to stay out of simple school rule enforcement. If a school in a military town wants their children to stand, they should be able to say so. And if an America hating community wants to give it up completely, so be it. This "students' rights" to "expression" in all its vulgarity has got to stop. Save it for the interwebs haters.

And del, you know as well as I, that we never learn the whole story when children are involved. The school cannot divulge what really went down. In this case they were clearly wrong to get the cops involved, but the "taunting" may have been self inflicted.

It has nothing to do with "hating America".

I love it how some people twist the reasons people have for not reciting the pledge as it is currently written into some sort of statement of "hating America". "Patriotism" has been comandeered by political interest groups - it is not defined by pledges, standing, or holding your hand over your heart - but by what is in the heart.

 

[Coyote]

For something entirely unrelated, yes?


No. It's to educate. If the system is worth preserving, then educated men and women will understand that and preserve it, just as they will destroy any system worth destroying (see the CCCP, the Articles of Confederation, or the LoN).

I agree it's to educate...but...isn't civic duty part of education?

Should be. But it depends on your local school system these days.

It's been too many years since I've been in school. I remember civics being taught. Of course, we also spent a bit of time on the revolution...the constitution....etc. Someone told me they are considering reducing the instruction in American history to mostly Civil War and after. That would be very sad. How can you understand what is happening without understanding the conflicts that produced it? Especially the novelty of the idea at the time - that men could govern themselves?