Stepping back and examining the broader picture.

[Man With A Plan]

There are none. What trump is doing is unprecedented in US history.

Except for when Obama and Biden did it? Do you really not grasp how stupid that claim makes you look?

 

[SeaMajor7]

There are none. What trump is doing is unprecedented in US history.

BULLSHIT

 

[Eman623]

There are none. What trump is doing is unprecedented in US history.

Not even remotely true

 

[Eman623]

Whether by intention or being obtuse you have completely ignored the point of the thread. Which is not to be critical of EO's per se but rather the intent and nature of trump's.

I stopped reading after "whether". Don't be a dick.

 

[berg80]

So you start a thread and anyone who disagrees with you...you won't respond to? Why start a thread in the first place?

To engage in relevant discussion on the topic.

 

[berg80]

I stopped reading after "whether". Don't be a dick.

If you disagree with my premise, that trump's actions are unique in their intent to amass enormous power for him as prez, then make your case.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I think the best way to dispassionately evaluate the direction the trump regime is trying to take the nation is to delve in to the specifics of the actions it has taken. And, their intent. The scope of the actions is by itself breathtaking.

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Whether one agrees or disagrees with various court's rulings, from judges nominated by Repub and Dem prez's, blocking or delaying trump's initiatives from taking effect, I think it is fair to say said initiatives are designed to expand the power of the executive beyond traditional boundaries. Like giving the prez the power of control over government officials previously given independence from the office of the POTUS. Or seeking to strip away rights previously recognized as being bestowed on people by the Constitution. Or taking control of budgetary matters Congress has previously had control over.

Or, most recently, usurping powers traditionally possessed by the governors of each state to address unrest.

The point of the post being to reach a consensus. Regardless of whatever feelings one may have about the intent or legality of the actions taken, that their self-evident goal is the expansion of executive authority. Can we at least agree on that?

You are utterly incapable of examining anything, Berg.

All you do is conform and repeat.

 

[berg80]

Not even remotely true

Prove it.

 

[berg80]

You are utterly incapable of examining anything, Berg.

All you do is conform and repeat.

If you disagree with my premise, that trump's actions are unique in their intent to amass enormous power for him as prez, then make your case.

 

[Mac1958]

Nowhere in their deflections do they deny the premise of the thread. They're just trying to excuse trump with false claims "the other guy did it too."

Standard operating procedure.

You'll notice that, after celebrating from the mountaintops that we FINALLY have a President that will do this or that, The Greatest President Ever, Absolutely Fantastic, they then defend every shitty thing he does by saying it's no big deal, it's been done before, yawn.

Well, which one is it?

This would be far more interesting if they'd just be honest. What they want is clear, they're getting it, so this would be a good time to just drop the act. It's tedious.

 

[berg80]

Except for when Obama and Biden did it? Do you really not grasp how stupid that claim makes you look?

They didn't do anything remotely close to what trump is doing with respect to changing the nature of presidential power.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

If you disagree with my premise, that trump's actions are unique in their intent to amass enormous power for him as prez, then make your case.

You don't have a premise.

You have somebody else's.

 

[SeaMajor7]

If you disagree with my premise, that trump's actions are unique in their intent to amass enormous power for him as prez, then make your case.

That's just your insane NARRATIVE.
That's all you demented avenger subverted zombies have.
NARRATIVES.
GTFOH

 

[Eman623]

If you disagree with my premise, that trump's actions are unique in their intent to amass enormous power for him as prez, then make your case.

Oh so now it's okay to pollute your holy thread with posts and ideas that you don't like. Gee thanks so much!

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Whether one agrees or disagrees with various court's rulings,

The problem is Trump's ignoring of those rulings, his contempt for the rule of law and the courts.

 

[berg80]

Standard operating procedure.

You'll notice that, after celebrating from the mountaintops that we FINALLY have a President that will do this or that, The Greatest President Ever, Absolutely Fantastic, they then defend every shitty thing he does by saying it's no big deal, it's been done before, yawn.

Well, which one is it?

This would be far more interesting if they'd just be honest. What they want is clear, they're getting it, so this would be a good time to just drop the act. It's tedious.

I love how they describe him as a man of action. Well, yes. The problem being the actions he's taking. Virtually all designed to change the nature of presidential power.

 

[berg80]

The problem is Trump's ignoring of those rulings, his contempt for the rule of law and the courts.

Which is all part of his goal to set himself apart from the laws of the land.

 

[berg80]

Oh so now it's okay to pollute your holy thread with posts and ideas that you don't like. Gee thanks so much!

I'm fine with posts I disagree with..........as long as they are on topic.

 

[Eman623]

I'm fine with posts I disagree with..........as long as they are on topic.

Is that so? I guess I'm just too "obtuse" to see that.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

their self-evident goal is the expansion of executive authority.

Of course it is.

The authoritarian right has long advocated for unitary executive dogma.