Stepping back and examining the broader picture.

[Man With A Plan]

That is demonstrably true and therefore factually undeniable. I'm trying to avoid the emotionally charged words used to describe what's happening and focus on what the overarching goal is. Namely, giving the prez power the office did not historically possess.

So when Democrats lost at the polls and Barack Obama stated that he would use Executive Orders to continue his agenda...you were of course APPALLED by him seizing power that the office did not historically possess...right?

 

[berg80]

So last night Mr. Trump attempted to seize control of more or less the entire federal government. He signed an executive order purporting to bring all independent agencies–including the FCC, FTC, SEC, and perhaps most chillingly the Federal Election Commission–under his individual control.

No other president has done this. Most have avoided even the appearance of interfering in the workings of these agencies for fear of being viewed as wielding inappropriate control over the affairs of agencies designed by Congress to be independent.
https://natlawreview.com/article/de...cutive-order-seizing-control-federal-agencies

The point being these actions are unprecedented. Some may believe trump is doing the right thing. Or not mind he is doing the wrong thing. But it is happening.

 

[berg80]

So when Democrats lost at the polls and Barack Obama stated that he would use Executive Orders to continue his agenda...you were of course APPALLED by him seizing power that the office did not historically possess...right?

Issuing EO's does not inherently mean a prez has declared unilateral authority to assume powers not given to the office of the POTUS by the Constitution.

 

[Luckyone]

I think the best way to dispassionately evaluate the direction the trump regime is trying to take the nation is to delve in to the specifics of the actions it has taken. And, their intent. The scope of the actions is by itself breathtaking.

Tracking the lawsuits against Donald Trump’s executive actions
Tracking the lawsuits against Donald Trump's executive actions | AP News

Whether one agrees or disagrees with various court's rulings, from judges nominated by Repub and Dem prez's, blocking or delaying trump's initiatives from taking effect, I think it is fair to say said initiatives are designed to expand the power of the executive beyond traditional boundaries. Like giving the prez the power of control over government officials previously given independence from the office of the POTUS. Or seeking to strip away rights previously recognized as being bestowed on people by the Constitution. Or taking control of budgetary matters Congress has previously had control over.

Or, most recently, usurping powers traditionally possessed by the governors of each state to address unrest.

The point of the post being to reach a consensus. Regardless of whatever feelings one may have about the intent or legality of the actions taken, that their self-evident goal is the expansion of executive authority. Can we at least agree on that?

 

[Oddball]

That is demonstrably true and therefore factually undeniable. I'm trying to avoid the emotionally charged words used to describe what's happening and focus on what the overarching goal is. Namely, giving the prez power the office did not historically possess.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Issuing EO's does not inherently mean a prez has declared unilateral authority to assume powers not given to the office of the POTUS by the Constitution.

What do you think it meant when Obama resorted to using EO's following a losing election by Democrats ? It's quite obvious that he wasn't obeying the will of the people. So why weren't you up in arms about that?

 

[Etymology gaslight]

I think the best way to dispassionately evaluate the direction the trump regime is trying to take the nation is to delve in to the specifics of the actions it has taken. And, their intent. The scope of the actions is by itself breathtaking.

Tracking the lawsuits against Donald Trump’s executive actions
Tracking the lawsuits against Donald Trump's executive actions | AP News

Whether one agrees or disagrees with various court's rulings, from judges nominated by Repub and Dem prez's, blocking or delaying trump's initiatives from taking effect, I think it is fair to say said initiatives are designed to expand the power of the executive beyond traditional boundaries. Like giving the prez the power of control over government officials previously given independence from the office of the POTUS. Or seeking to strip away rights previously recognized as being bestowed on people by the Constitution. Or taking control of budgetary matters Congress has previously had control over.

Or, most recently, usurping powers traditionally possessed by the governors of each state to address unrest.

The point of the post being to reach a consensus. Regardless of whatever feelings one may have about the intent or legality of the actions taken, that their self-evident goal is the expansion of executive authority. Can we at least agree on that?

Excellent thread,
I think Don is the most
10th amendment
president in American history.

 

[Etymology gaslight]

		HERE IS HOW IT IS BEING DONE

In our research group’s four news gathering “charrettes” in Chinatown near the Los Angeles City Hall and Federal Courthouse, we have researched the key WEF billionaire orchestrator in Los Angeles, Nicholas Berggruen, a close advisor to Mayor Karen Bass and Governor Gavin Newsom.


Nicholas Berggruen’s father Heinz was a Nazi art dealer, so you know right away what morality stripe we are dealing with. Burning out old neighborhoods like Chinatown in Los Angeles for newscape architecture replacements would be all in a day’s work for this Napoleonic-like Billionaire of LA.

We have charted Nicholas Berggruen's city-reshaping activities and tracked his WEF headquarters, the Berggruen Institute. The Berggruen Institute is a Getty-like mansion in the Los Angeles Hills, not far from the Getty Mansion itself. It is the headquarters for Agenda 2030 in Los Angeles, smart cities under the control of a WEF guiding hand.

Two of our researchers, The Duke Report and FrauHodl, went as far as predicting a controlled burn in the Pacific Palisades by the Berggruen Institute, years before it occurred. They both predict the new, larger Berggruen Institute, like the massive Getty museum nearby, will be perched on the site of the burned ruins of Pacific Palisades.

Our researchers also visited the Downtown Los Angeles headquarters of yet another the Berggruen Institute, housed in the building where the movie BladeRunner was filmed. Because Berggruen’s “BladeRunner Building” is also not far from Chinatown, Berggruen’s nickname as the Chinatown BladeRunner resulted.

​

And our Berggruen watcher researchers also predicted a Nero-like urban renovation fire there in DTLA, clearing the way for a post-modern, SmartLA before the WoldCup rolls into two in 2026 with the Summer Olympics in 2028. After all, Napoleon wanted his Opera House in Paris, and he wasn’t going to ask the dwellers of the Marais if they would kindly move.

The Berggruen Institute is prophetically situated in Downtown LA, known as DTLA, in the Bradbury Building. Some of our researchers quipped that Berggruen is actually in the Bradbury Fahrenheit 451 building because of its reputed use of fire as a urban renewal tool.

The general gist of our researchers’ focus is that the Chinatowns in major cities become the staging areas for imported operatives from the Berggruen Institute in China.

​

I have written about how Peter and Jessica Duke were “Chinatowned”, burned out of their home, in the Pacific Palisades. The “Chinatown method” is to drain the water supply of an area before starting a controlled burn, and indeed, the St. Ynez Reservoir went bone dry at the height of fire season when Mayor Bass famously left the country for Africa.

​

The Chinatown Blade Runner concept is to use all the nation’s Chinatowns for similar staging of operatives for controlled burns. The controlled burns for the urban renewal are conducted under the cover of civil insurrection, like the current LA riots, or fireworks-type displays, like Chinese New Year or Fourth of July.

We believe the area between Chinatown and around the Blade Runner building of the Berggruen Institute are most at risk right now. We know this area is the focus of the City of Los Angeles Redevelopment Plan. We will just have to watch to see where the ChinaTown BladeRunner’s blade goes in the next few days of Los Angeles riots.

I wrote an in-depth series about the Berggruen’s analytical AI fire simulation partners, the Chinese CCP-owned Deep Seek Labs, which conducted an AI fire simulation during the Palisades Fires. It is called “Deep Seek and Destroy”,

Thanks for mutton.

 

[Etymology gaslight]

Bullshit

Prove it

Actually I think the burden of proof would be on you.

But you're never substantive.

 

[Etymology gaslight]

What do you think it meant when Obama resorted to using EO's following a losing election by Democrats ? It's quite obvious that he wasn't obeying the will of the people. So why weren't you up in arms about that?

It's getting harder and harder
to get 350 million
people to agree on anything.

 

[Lisa558]

OP claims he wants to examine the situation “dispassionately” - and then calls it the “Trump Regime.”

I stopped reading at that point.

 

[luiza]

Given the speed at which they have moved, it seems clear that the plan coming in was to (1) govern not by legislation, but by declarations of "emergency" and Executive Orders, (2) defend the actions up to his the Supreme Court, and (3) be prepared to ignore any Supreme Court rulings that don't go their way.

The implications of that are obvious.

We are all aware of the rebellion and riot plans that have been years in the making .
Trumpfy sensibly wants to rid America of people like you who make a take over easier .

Your post is the usual garbage FAKE NEWS we expect .

 

[SeaMajor7]

So last night Mr. Trump attempted to seize control of more or less the entire federal government. He signed an executive order purporting to bring all independent agencies–including the FCC, FTC, SEC, and perhaps most chillingly the Federal Election Commission–under his individual control.

No other president has done this. Most have avoided even the appearance of interfering in the workings of these agencies for fear of being viewed as wielding inappropriate control over the affairs of agencies designed by Congress to be independent.
https://natlawreview.com/article/de...cutive-order-seizing-control-federal-agencies

The point being these actions are unprecedented. Some may believe trump is doing the right thing. Or not mind he is doing the wrong thing. But it is happening.

TRUUUUUUUUUUMP

 

[berg80]

What do you think it meant when Obama resorted to using EO's following a losing election by Democrats ? It's quite obvious that he wasn't obeying the will of the people. So why weren't you up in arms about that?

It meant he was frustrated with Repub obstruction of an agenda that was popular with a majority of Americans.

But this thread is about the direction trump is trying to take the country in.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Excellent thread,
I think Don is the most
10th amendment
president in American history.

It meant he was frustrated with Repub obstruction of an agenda that was popular with a majority of Americans.

So it was OK when Obama was frustrated with Republicans but not OK when Trump is frustrated with Democrats?

 

[22lcidw]

Uncharted territory, as usual. He's counting on the courts, otherwise he'll just keep going. This is an autocratic administration.

Progs have interfered to much with others for me to agree with this. If Progs did not you may have a point. These insurrections are somewhat organized and that means there are people behind the scenes orchestrating this.

 

[SeaMajor7]

It meant he was frustrated with Repub obstruction of an agenda that was popular with a majority of Americans.

But this thread is about the direction trump is trying to take the country in.

IRONY

 

[berg80]

OP claims he wants to examine the situation “dispassionately” - and then calls it the “Trump Regime.”

I stopped reading at that point.

To borrow from the famous Animal House line, ignorant and close minded is no way to go through life. You should read thru the article and examine for yourself what trump is doing.

 

[Lisa558]

It meant he was frustrated with Repub obstruction of an agenda that was popular with a majority of Americans.

But this thread is about the direction trump is trying to take the country in.

It’s what the country voted for. Didn’t he get 312 electoral votes?

We want to stop the Dems’ weaponization of government agencies. Natirally, the Dems are trying to obstruct what people voted for Trump to do.

 

[berg80]

So it was OK when Obama was frustrated with Republicans but not OK when Trump is frustrated with Democrats?

What legislation did Dem's block that trump addressed by issuing an EO?