Stepping back and examining the broader picture.

[buckeye45_73]

Given the speed at which they have moved, it seems clear that the plan coming in was to (1) govern not by legislation, but by declarations of "emergency" and Executive Orders, (2) defend the actions up to his the Supreme Court, and (3) be prepared to ignore any Supreme Court rulings that don't go their way.

The implications of that are obvious.

That's what Obama and Biden did, he's just using the new normal.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Issuing EO's does not inherently mean a prez has declared unilateral authority to assume powers not given to the office of the POTUS by the Constitution.

Correct.

It's when an EO is struck down by the courts and ignored, as Trump is doing, a president declares unilateral authority, that he can be checked by neither Congress nor the courts.

That's despotic authoritarianism.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

That's the problem with the Left's selective memory...most of the things they're so upset about now are things that THEY did, not all that long ago and when they were doing them, they were warned that doing so would leave the door open for them to done by the other side!

This fails as a false comparison fallacy.

 

[my2¢]

I think it is fair to say said initiatives are designed to expand the power of the executive beyond traditional boundaries.

I see Trump's use of executive orders as no more concerning than the use by other presidents. I don't much care for EOs and that is in no way based on what party the president represents.

Congress is pitiful and needs to get off its butt. They hold hearings that don't amount to squat, ignore real issues, lackadaisically deal with their assigned responsibilities, cite their rhetoric, and collect their dough. Nothing new there.

Where Trump has really challenged things is in dealing with the courts. There's a power struggle there. I'm interested to see how much backbone the Supreme Court will show in its ruling on whether a single district court judge can effectively block a national policy. I can't imagine the judicial branch yielding power to the any other branch, but we'll see.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Correct.

It's when an EO is struck down by the courts and ignored, as Trump is doing, a president declares unilateral authority, that he can be checked by neither Congress nor the courts.

That's despotic authoritarianism.

The freaking courts DO NOT RUN the Executive branch, Mrs. Jones.

 

[sartre play]

NO one Person from ANY political party knows Everything about Anything.
Both political party's stink. Few of those elected work for the majority.
WE tend to agree on more things that one party promotes.
And stop hearing Anything from the other party.
There are always two sides to every situation.
So many are self serving . Can we EVER get close to a Balance of power?

 

[Man With A Plan]

To engage in relevant discussion on the topic.

So "relevant discussion" is anyone who agrees with you and anyone who doesn't agree with you isn't worthy of "discussion"? Is that the way it works, Berg?

 

[jc456]

Given the speed at which they have moved, it seems clear that the plan coming in was to (1) govern not by legislation, but by declarations of "emergency" and Executive Orders, (2) defend the actions up to his the Supreme Court, and (3) be prepared to ignore any Supreme Court rulings that don't go their way.

The implications of that are obvious.

so no other president did that? hahahaahhahahaha dude, you are a fking kick.

 

[jc456]

So "relevant discussion" is anyone who agrees with you and anyone who doesn't agree with you isn't worthy of "discussion"? Is that the way it works, Berg?

he's a demofk, and only his word counts. Know that.

 

[Man With A Plan]

They didn't do anything remotely close to what trump is doing with respect to changing the nature of presidential power.

How do you figure? Obama used EO's after Democrats lost control of Congress. How is that not an expansion of Presidential power? The people spoke and Barack informed them "I've got a pen and I've got a phone - and I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions that move the ball forward." That's someone who's ignored the will of the people. Someone who's decided that HE knows best and will continue to push his agenda without the backing of Congress!

 

[blackhawk]

I think the best way to dispassionately evaluate the direction the trump regime.
Dispassionately.

 

[Mac1958]

I love how they describe him as a man of action. Well, yes. The problem being the actions he's taking. Virtually all designed to change the nature of presidential power.

Look at post 101. Exactly as I described.

Trump does something 10x as bad, but they still deflect to the other.

 

[jc456]

Look at post 101. Exactly as I described.

Trump does something 10x as bad, but they still deflect to the other.

10x? prove it. Never thought of you as a sniveler

 

[jc456]

10x? prove it. Never thought of you as a sniveler

Mac1958 , Right?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I think the best way to dispassionately evaluate the direction the trump regime is trying to take the nation is to delve in to the specifics of the actions it has taken. And, their intent. The scope of the actions is by itself breathtaking.

Tracking the lawsuits against Donald Trump’s executive actions
Tracking the lawsuits against Donald Trump's executive actions | AP News

Whether one agrees or disagrees with various court's rulings, from judges nominated by Repub and Dem prez's, blocking or delaying trump's initiatives from taking effect, I think it is fair to say said initiatives are designed to expand the power of the executive beyond traditional boundaries. Like giving the prez the power of control over government officials previously given independence from the office of the POTUS. Or seeking to strip away rights previously recognized as being bestowed on people by the Constitution. Or taking control of budgetary matters Congress has previously had control over.

Or, most recently, usurping powers traditionally possessed by the governors of each state to address unrest.

The point of the post being to reach a consensus. Regardless of whatever feelings one may have about the intent or legality of the actions taken, that their self-evident goal is the expansion of executive authority. Can we at least agree on that?

Gov Newsom, Hobbs and Abbott failed to defend their States against the democrat Invasion

 

[BluesLegend]

Can't win at the ballot box, so it's off to the courts to subvert the WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

Marxists gonna Marx.

Why bother having elections, DemocRATS just ignore them. They ignore their own primary elections and the general elections.

 

[sartre play]

Why bother having elections, DemocRATS just ignore them. They ignore their own primary elections and the general elections.

Excuse me! who wouldn't concede the election!

 

[BluesLegend]

Excuse me! who wouldn't concede the election!

Are you referencing the STOLEN election of 2020 dipshit?

 

[Eman623]

That's what Obama and Biden did, he's just using the new normal.

Who knew Obama saying, "I have a pen and a phone" and "...where [Congress] won’t act, I will," would reverberate so loudly a decade later.

Or (to be fair), Bush II signing bills into law and then including "signing statements" that basically said, "I won't be enforcing the parts of this law I don't like."

Oh yeah. EVERYONE knew that! At least everyone who wasn't full to overflowing from drinking their own tribe's kool-aid.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Which is all part of his goal to set himself apart from the laws of the land.

Americans now realize how fragile democracy truly is.