State Dept. told to plan for potential protests after Jerusalem embassy announcement

[Hollie]

That is where the Knesset is, the Prime Ministers Office, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, etc...

It will be interesting to see if these institutions make the UN's database, if it sees the light of day, that is.

Why don't you tell us what we in the West have realized using diplomacy with the islamic terrorist franchises in Gaza'istan or the West Bank?

It worked all the way up until Israel was created. Prior to Israel, can you recall any serious issues between the Muslim world and the West?

You're kidding, right? How about we start around 632 CE and move forward from there to the Islamist invasion of Europe.

Lets jump ahead to 1801. Barbary Coast wars, anyone?

Marine fight song: "From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli"

Muslim Spain? Ever hear of it?

 

[GHook93]

Yea the Israel’s give and give and the Muslims respond with more violence. Fuck Islam. This is a great move and should have been done along time ago


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[Hollie]

Do you know anything about Jewish history? The Bible? Have you ever been to Jerusalem or the Western Wall and experienced the holiness there? If not, as rylah said, then listen and learn. You have alot of catching up to do, based on your questions about Jerusalem.

Let's get back on track and examine the larger picture.

Iran and China have signed a military cooperation agreement, Turkey has reportedly signed on with Iran as well, oddly against Russia is how Pravda reported it, because Iran and Russia have signed a military cooperation agreement as well. And let's not forget that China and Russia have signed one as well, at least until 2020.

Now, take a sip off your drink and tell me with a straight face, that you think infuriating the Muslim world and the international community at this time, for something as stupid as moving an embassy, makes any sense at all.

When was the Muslim world NOT infuriated ??

You sound like the average racketeer suggesting protection.

I don't believe abi understands that dhimmitude will not protect her.

 

[rylah]

You're really suggesting that we Westerners need to behave like compliant dhimmis else we risk stirring up Moslem Rage ©

Call it diplomacy or goodwill; it just makes sense.

Abi will You give us the dhimmitude, the "right to protection"?
Can't wait to hear the deal conditions...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They very well may be kicking off WWIII.

Why? Are some weak ass Arab nations going to attack Israel and lose more territory?

Look at the bigger geopolitical picture. Iran and China have signed a military cooperation agreement, Turkey has reportedly signed on with Iran as well, oddly against Russia is how Pravda reported it, because Iran and Russia have signed a military cooperation agreement as well. And let's not forget that China and Russia have signed one as well, at least until 2020.

Now, take a sip off your drink and tell me with a straight face, that you think infuriating the Muslim world and the international community at this time, for as something as stupid as moving an embassy, makes any sense at all.

Iran and China have signed a military cooperation agreement,

Do you think China is going to intervene if Iran does something stupid and get's their ass kicked?

Now, take a sip off your drink and tell me with a straight face, that you think infuriating the Muslim world and the international community at this time, for as something as stupid as moving an embassy, makes any sense at all.

If everyone based all their decisions on if it made Muslims mad, a lot less would get done.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You're really suggesting that we Westerners need to behave like compliant dhimmis else we risk stirring up Moslem Rage ©

Call it diplomacy or goodwill; it just makes sense.

How about Muslims stop pissing off civilization or we'll bomb you forward into the 14th Century?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: State Dept. told to plan for potential protests after Jerusalem embassy announcement
※→ abi, et al,

WAR this - and - WAR that! For any nation to even levy such a "threat" toward any other State is, in itself - violating the cornerstone of the UN.

✪ All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state...
Article 2(4), UN Charter

✪ Declares that acts, methods, and practices of terrorism are contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations and that knowingly financing,
planning and inciting terrorist acts are also contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations...
Paragraph 5, S/RES/1373 (2001)

✪ Condemns all forms of propaganda, in whatsoever country conducted, which is either designed or likely to provoke or encourage and threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression...
Paragraph 1, A/RES/2/110 Measures to be taken against propaganda and the inciters of a new war (1947)​

IF the US decides to acknowledge that Jerusalem is the Capitol of Israel ---- they are observing the reality of today. It will have to be a fairly big plot of ground.

They very well may be kicking off WWIII.

That is where the Knesset is, the Prime Ministers Office, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, etc...

Which is disgusting and has incited violence for decades. Jerusalem is not part of Israel and never has been. Ask anyone in the international community that is not a zionist liar.

The Government is moving that way and we should as well.

If we want war that will include a genocide/ethnic cleansing of the rest of the Muslims and Christians in Palestine who have called the holy land their home for centuries.

How many more decades do you honestly believe that the world will just sit back and watch?

Jerusalem is the heart and soul of Israel.

In the zionist fantasy, but is not recognized as even part of Israel by the international community, nor is it recognized as such in any international law.

If Jerusalem isn't a part of Israel, then there is no meaning to Israel at all.

Your words, not mine.

(COMMENT)

Quite trying to drag the "world" into a fight which they have no dog. You don't honestly think that any of the neighboring Arab League States want another failed state, chalk-full of psychopaths (Jihadist, the Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric fighters) loose on the region? Remember Black September? The Palestinians are known to bite the hand that feeds them. They even attempted to assassinate the Hashemite King of Jordan.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[abi]

RE: State Dept. told to plan for potential protests after Jerusalem embassy announcement
※→ abi, et al,

WAR this - and - WAR that! For any nation to even levy such a "threat" toward any other State is, in itself - violating the cornerstone of the UN.

✪ All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state...
Article 2(4), UN Charter

✪ Declares that acts, methods, and practices of terrorism are contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations and that knowingly financing,
planning and inciting terrorist acts are also contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations...
Paragraph 5, S/RES/1373 (2001)

✪ Condemns all forms of propaganda, in whatsoever country conducted, which is either designed or likely to provoke or encourage and threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression...
Paragraph 1, A/RES/2/110 Measures to be taken against propaganda and the inciters of a new war (1947)​

IF the US decides to acknowledge that Jerusalem is the Capitol of Israel ---- they are observing the reality of today. It will have to be a fairly big plot of ground.

They very well may be kicking off WWIII.

That is where the Knesset is, the Prime Ministers Office, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, etc...

Which is disgusting and has incited violence for decades. Jerusalem is not part of Israel and never has been. Ask anyone in the international community that is not a zionist liar.

The Government is moving that way and we should as well.

If we want war that will include a genocide/ethnic cleansing of the rest of the Muslims and Christians in Palestine who have called the holy land their home for centuries.

How many more decades do you honestly believe that the world will just sit back and watch?

Jerusalem is the heart and soul of Israel.

In the zionist fantasy, but is not recognized as even part of Israel by the international community, nor is it recognized as such in any international law.

If Jerusalem isn't a part of Israel, then there is no meaning to Israel at all.

Your words, not mine.

(COMMENT)

Quite trying to drag the "world" into a fight which they have no dog. You don't honestly think that any of the neighboring Arab League States want another failed state, chalk-full of psychopaths (Jihadist, the Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric fighters) loose on the region? Remember Black September? The Palestinians are known to bite the hand that feeds them. They even attempted to assassinate the Hashemite King of Jordan.

Most Respectfully,
R

Germany would be this in your mind.

 

[Linkiloo]

To be honest, thats an ongoing condition we live in. the angry muslim, stabbing, driving into Christmas markets, killing journalists, killing people at train stations while shouting alla akbar - and that is before Trump announces anything. So basically same old same old. Trump shouldn't cave.

And look what the zionists do. The zionists out-kill the Palestinians by far, year in, year out, women, children, doesn't matter. The zionist experiment is a failure. It has led to decades of suffering on both sides. This action is insane. The only ones who support this want war. This will finally eliminate the Muslim and Christian population in Israel. After the war, they want to rebuild their imagined 3rd temple on Muslim holy land after destroying all remnants of Islam in Islams 3rd holiest place on earth. The Muslim structures there date back centuries.

Of course they out-kill the terrorists - that is what governments protecting their people do. It sure does matter though that they have less civilians casualities in time of war than any other army worldwide. Just look at syria if you want to compare death tolls.
And if the Israelis had wanted to destroy their muslim population, they would have done so as has been the case worldwide in any number of conflicts. And since we know the Jews know what they are doing, if that had been their goal it would have been achieved long ago if that was their intention.
Since I don't believe they will ever be able to convince the muslims in the region to accept their existence, ultimately no peace is possible. The arabs cannot be appeased so why bother trying?

 

[Linkiloo]

It IS Israel's historical capital.

Never in our brief world's history has the international community recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital. They didn't even recognize Israel until 1948.

To be frank, f** the world!
Is this the same world that allows murder and pillaging around the globe but condemns Israel?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

That is where the Knesset is, the Prime Ministers Office, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, etc...

It will be interesting to see if these institutions make the UN's database, if it sees the light of day, that is.

Why don't you tell us what we in the West have realized using diplomacy with the islamic terrorist franchises in Gaza'istan or the West Bank?

It worked all the way up until Israel was created. Prior to Israel, can you recall any serious issues between the Muslim world and the West?

America had some difficulty with the Barbary States in the early 1800's. And there were the Crusades.

 

[Correll]

The Trump does not want peace and the zionists never have. I hope calmer heads will prevail.

(CNN)The State Department's security arm has been told to plan for potentially violent protests at US embassies and consulates once the Trump administration announces it is moving the embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.

"We were told that this is definitely coming, and we need to be ready for it," one official said....
State Dept. told to plan for potential protests after Jerusalem announcement - CNNPolitics

A slap in the face to international law and morally broken.

A slap in the face to those that don't respect Israel's right to exist.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

I wouldn't say Jerusalem is a simple detail.

Well, Jerusalem will be one of, if not THE, sticking point in a negotiation for division of the territory. But..it can still be done, I think. It will require a bit of thinking outside the box. At this point, I don't see Israel giving up the Old City and the Temple Mount. There is no display of trust that the Arabs will permit any access to the Jewish people to our most holy place. In fact, there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. In contrast, Israel has displayed a REMARKABLE investment in ensuring Muslim access, even to the point of restricting the religious rights of Jews. On balance, I think if Arab Muslims wish to have any future say with respect to the Old City and the Temple Mount -- they need to start showing some respect and real darn fast.

Oy vey iz mir, were you of sound mind when you typed this?

Why would Arabs oppose (to the point of WWIII) Israel choosing her own capital city and having some control over at least part of it?

Jerusalem is not even part of Israel, focus. Why would Americans oppose (to the point of WWIII) a foreign nation choosing her own capital city and having some control over at least part of it in DC?

Funny, I often use that analogy of DC when it comes to Israel, and not the Palestinians, which is the way you've used it. I often say that Israel allowing the Palestinians to take over Jerusalem is like America allowing Russia to take over DC.

When you say that Jerusalem is not a part of Israel, it shows that you know little about this issue, not to mention history.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

It IS Israel's historical capital.

Never in our brief world's history has the international community recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital. They didn't even recognize Israel until 1948.

That statement makes no logical sense. You say that no nation recognized Israel until 1948. 1948 was the year that Israel declared independence. How could anyone recognize a country that wasn't independent yet?

 

[teddyearp]

Sounds like I am the one advocating for peace and you are the one advocating for continued war until Israel is erased.

Yes, abi's true colors are really starting to show now.

 

[teddyearp]

And look what the zionists do. The zionists out-kill the Palestinians by far, year in, year out, women, children, doesn't matter. The zionist experiment is a failure. It has led to decades of suffering on both sides. This action is insane. The only ones who support this want war. This will finally eliminate the Muslim and Christian population in Israel. After the war, they want to rebuild their imagined 3rd temple on Muslim holy land after destroying all remnants of Islam in Islams 3rd holiest place on earth. The Muslim structures there date back centuries.

And there we have it folks. The same old same old BS line that has been swallowed by others and then spit back out.

Nothing more to see here folks, abi was never on any fact finding honest academic mission here at all.

 

[fanger]

There is significant disagreement in the international community on the legal and diplomatic status of Jerusalem.[1] Legal scholars disagree on how to resolve the dispute under international law.[2] Many United Nations (UN) member states formally adhere to the United Nations proposal that Jerusalem should have an international status.[3]

The chief dispute revolves around the legal status of East Jerusalem, while broader agreement exists regarding future Israeli presence in West Jerusalem.[2] De jure, the majority of UN member states and most international organisations do not recognise Israel's ownership of East Jerusalem which occurred after the 1967 Six-Day War, nor its 1980 Jerusalem Lawproclamation, which declared a "complete and united" Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.[4] As a result, foreign embassies are generally located in Tel Aviv and its suburbs.

Jerusalem is one of the key issues in the Israeli–Palestinian peace process. Both Israelis and the Palestinians want it as their capital.[5]

The European Union has stated that Jerusalem's status is that of corpus separatum.
The United States views as desirable the establishing of an international regime for the city.[59] Its final status must be resolved through negotiations[60] and it does not recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital.
Positions on Jerusalem - Wikipedia

 

[RoccoR]

RE: State Dept. told to plan for potential protests after Jerusalem embassy announcement
※→ abi, et al,

I'm not sure I see (understand) the analogy.

(COMMENT)

Quite trying to drag the "world" into a fight which they have no dog. You don't honestly think that any of the neighboring Arab League States want another failed state, chalk-full of psychopaths (Jihadist, the Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric fighters) loose on the region? Remember Black September? The Palestinians are known to bite the hand that feeds them. They even attempted to assassinate the Hashemite King of Jordan.

Most Respectfully,
R

Germany would be this in your mind.

(COMMENT)

I notice that pro-Palestinians try (quite frequently) to make a connection with "Nazi" (1939) Geo-political expansion and the Israeli-Palestine Conflict. Is has been the Arab Palestinians that have consistently rejected or placed pre-negotiation criteria (deal killers) that prevent peace-talks.

Back in 2009, Mahmoud Abbas rejected peace negotiations with Israel and instead counting on the US to force Israel to accept Arab demands. King Abdullah made a comment saying: "peace now or war later." Well, it is 8 years later, and still Palestinians make pre-conditions to set the stage for peace:

LA Time (AP) on 2 December 2017
The Palestinians are warning the United States against recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

Mahmoud Habash, an advisor to Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, said Saturday that if President Trump were to do so, it would amount to a “complete destruction of the peace process.”​

The Palestinians had years of opportunities to open talks. In the 1990's, they had a ready made platform to discuss peaceful alternatives. Now, as if the Palestinians have over time lost more and more negotiations grounds. Here, the Palestinians would, hinge the talks on the actions of a third party (the US); because nothing is ever the fault of the Palestinians.

In the 1970's when the Hostile Arab Palestinians were stomping their feet like little children in the playground, they made a choice to organizing and encouraging the organization of irregular forces and armed bands for incursion into the territory of Israel. For the Palestinians --- Conflict is the preferred method for dispute resolution.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Ropey]

It finally comes.

 

[Lipush]

I hope Trump will carry through even with all the protests.

I want too celebrate this victory, but I'm still suspicious he would bend down to their threats.

Hopefully tomorrow there will be a day of joy to all Jews.