Starbucks union bashing

[Papageorgio]

This is a bad look for a corporation that should beshowing a welcoming face. Those benefits would not be happening if there wasnt union pressure.
Meanwhile the rich get richer and the poor get trampled on.

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This isn’t a bad look, this is the media spinning it to look bad.

Starbucks can’t just give union employees benefits unless it is negotiated with the union first. So if Starbucks rolls out wage increases, the non-union stores could receive them immediately and the union stores would need to wait until the next contract is negotiated. The employees wanted a union and now need to live with the rules that being in a union demands. Your dishonesty in reporting this story agains shows your ignorance with the United States.

Glad to see Starbucks giving out more benefits to their employees. Good job Starbucks, hopefully under new contract the union employees will negotiate the added benefit in.

 

[Polishprince]

You are trapped in your own prejudices.

Not at all.

I just observe what people actually do, not just their public statements.

And union muscle is used not just on employers, but the members and non-members as well, when they impose themselves on the Labor Bosses racket. Union bosses tend not to be that reputable, that's why Jimmy Hoffa is buried under the goal posts at Giants Stadium and Paul Castellano got whacked outside of the Manhattan steak house. It wasn't the employers, scabs or conservatives that clipped these guys- it was their fellow labor activists.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Not at all.

I just observe what people actually do, not just their public statements.

And union muscle is used not just on employers, but the members and non-members as well, when they impose themselves on the Labor Bosses racket. Union bosses tend not to be that reputable, that's why Jimmy Hoffa is buried under the goal posts at Giants Stadium and Paul Castellano got whacked outside of the Manhattan steak house. It wasn't the employers, scabs or conservatives that clipped these guys- it was their fellow labor activists.

I really cant understand your mindset.You argue against your own interests and those of your community. And you use examples from 50 years ago.

It doesnt make sense.
I know that in the UK the unions transformed our society from a feudal backward nation into one where people ere treated as people.

Every step forward for the orking man was opposed by conservative.

They told us that the poor didnt need educating. That they didnt need decent housing or healthcare. These were apparently unaffordable.


Unions invented the weekend. Insisted on basic safety at work.Go rid of truck shops, brought in maternity pay,sick pay and every other benefit that we enjoy.
Without unions our lives would be unbearable.
You need to remember that the evil mill owner hasnt gone away. He would strip every right that you enjoy in an instant.

 

[August West]

People conflate unions with collective bargaining. Unions aren't the only way to accomplish collective bargaining, but they do tend to be highly political and controlling, often pursuing goals that are counterproductive to the employees.

I paid union dues for 35 years and it was the best money I spent every month. What goals are counterproductive to the employees? I retired at 53 with pension and a 40K buyout leaving me free to find work that I really liked. How was I controlled? Many of our members voted for politicians who loved gun violence. Their guns were more important to them than good wages, benefits and a safe work environment.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I really cant understand your mindset.You argue against your own interests and those of your community. And you use examples from 50 years ago.

It doesnt make sense.
I know that in the UK the unions transformed our society from a feudal backward nation into one where people ere treated as people.

Every step forward for the orking man was opposed by conservative.

They told us that the poor didnt need educating. That they didnt need decent housing or healthcare. These were apparently unaffordable.


Unions invented the weekend. Insisted on basic safety at work.Go rid of truck shops, brought in maternity pay,sick pay and every other benefit that we enjoy.
Without unions our lives would be unbearable.
You need to remember that the evil mill owner hasnt gone away. He would strip every right that you enjoy in an instant.

What unions did here was chase jobs out of the state or country. How does that help any poor person?

In the US consumers focus on price. We don't care about quality or were the product is made, as long as it's cheap. You can't make cheap products in the US with union labor. When consumers quit buying your product, you have no choice but to get away from the unions any way possible to stay in business.

I think Europeans have a completely different attitude about buying. The European consumer is more in solidarity with their European manufacturers and workers. That's why it's different there than it is here.

 

[initforme]

It's unions that led us to where we are today which is our reliance on China and other countries.

If I only had a ten dollar bill for every one of our former companies I delivered to that either closed down, moved out of state, or out of the country to get away from the union.

I could write a book on my experiences with unions, especially the completely worthless UAW. After a while my employer created a policy that we no longer took any UAW work. He couldn't afford to have a driver sit there the entire day to get unloaded which is something a non-union employee can do within a half-hour to 45 minutes.

So unions are bad. Ok. Workers should want and yearn for lower pay so goods cost less correct?

 

[Polishprince]

So unions are bad. Ok. Workers should want and yearn for lower pay so goods cost less correct?

Just because someone doesn't belong to a union doesn't mean they can't ask for a pay raise.

And just because someone else does belong to a union, doesn't mean they will get a pay raise. In fact, sometimes they might receive a pay cut, if that is the concession contract that the union bosses negotiate.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So unions are bad. Ok. Workers should want and yearn for lower pay so goods cost less correct?

A good worker doesn't need any union to get decent pay. Unions don't make a worker valuable, only the worker does. If I can't make a decent wage sweeping floors, I'll have to learn how to do something where I'm more valuable to a potential employer.

When I was very young I started driving a straight truck. When I left that company, I was too young to continue driving a truck, so I drove a van and delivered medical equipment. I did that for about 10 years or so but didn't make sufficient money. So I went back to my roots and got my CDL so I could drive a truck again. Still unsatisfied, I upped my license from a Class B (straight truck) to a class A (tractor-trailer). Since then I was always in demand, and the money followed. I retired as a tractor-trailer driver and have no regrets about my career.

Bottom line is that I didn't need a union to force a company to pay me more than I was actually worth. I made myself worth more money. That's what all Americans should do, not depend on government or a union.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

What unions did here was chase jobs out of the state or country. How does that help any poor person?

In the US consumers focus on price. We don't care about quality or were the product is made, as long as it's cheap. You can't make cheap products in the US with union labor. When consumers quit buying your product, you have no choice but to get away from the unions any way possible to stay in business.

I think Europeans have a completely different attitude about buying. The European consumer is more in solidarity with their European manufacturers and workers. That's why it's different there than it is here.

You make a lot of daft assumptions Ray. Jobs went to China because the corporations could make more profit.
They are the guilty parties.
Quite how that is the fault of unions is beyond me.
There is a war going on Ray and you are on the wrong side.

 

[Markle]

This is a bad look for a corporation that should beshowing a welcoming face. Those benefits would not be happening if there wasnt union pressure.
Meanwhile the rich get richer and the poor get trampled on.

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As you know, IF UNIONS were of any value in this day and age, the vast majority of companies would be unionized. Unions have nothing to offer today and are withering away.

 

[initforme]

I guess you are correct in some aspects. I walked off of 3 jobs in my life, no notice. 3 of the greatest days of my life. Can't do that with a union. I believe 2 weeks notice is a violation of workers rights.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You make a lot of daft assumptions Ray. Jobs went to China because the corporations could make more profit.
They are the guilty parties.
Quite how that is the fault of unions is beyond me.
There is a war going on Ray and you are on the wrong side.

You see Tommy I used to be a local truck driver. I've seen dozens of companies pack up and leave. When possible, I spoke to the supervisors and in a few instances the owners of these companies. It killed them to go, but they had no choice. It was either move away from the union or join their employees in the unemployment line.

Unions were fine when they started out because they had no real strength. As time went on and they got stronger, their demands got higher. If you think they did so on behalf of the worker, you live in fantasy land. The more money the union gets their workers, the higher their union contributions. It's the unions that got greedy, not the companies.

With that strength came mutiny. Unions virtually took over companies. They told the company who they can hire, who they can fire, what the workers will get paid, and who gets the promotions when they come up even if they can't do the job. Nobody can successfully operate a company that way for any long period of time.

Like I said I could write a book on it, but one situation that comes to mind is I did my daily pickup at a company. The shipper was perturbed that I came there even though we were there every day. He apologized for his behavior, but went on to explain that every time a truck comes in, he has to stop packing parts and load or unload a truck.

I remember him telling me the company gave him help, so I asked what happened to him? He said he's still there, but totally worthless. The guy bid on the job of shipping and receiving and easily got it because of his tenure, but he was afraid to drive a tow motor. So I asked why he didn't tell his supervisor about it? He said the supervisor is helpless because of the union. So I asked why he didn't address the union of the problem. He turned off his tow motor, gave a great sigh and said "I can drive this tow motor right through the front of your trailer, but because of the union, I'll still have a job tomorrow. But if I ever told the union that a union man can't do his job, they will throw my ass out of here in two minutes flat." He started the tow motor up and finished loading me.

 

[initforme]

You see Tommy I used to be a local truck driver. I've seen dozens of companies pack up and leave. When possible, I spoke to the supervisors and in a few instances the owners of these companies. It killed them to go, but they had no choice. It was either move away from the union or join their employees in the unemployment line.

Unions were fine when they started out because they had no real strength. As time went on and they got stronger, their demands got higher. If you think they did so on behalf of the worker, you live in fantasy land. The more money the union gets their workers, the higher their union contributions. It's the unions that got greedy, not the companies.

With that strength came mutiny. Unions virtually took over companies. They told the company who they can hire, who they can fire, what the workers will get paid, and who gets the promotions when they come up even if they can't do the job. Nobody can successfully operate a company that way for any long period of time.

Like I said I could write a book on it, but one situation that comes to mind is I did my daily pickup at a company. The shipper was perturbed that I came there even though we were there every day. He apologized for his behavior, but went on to explain that every time a truck comes in, he has to stop packing parts and load or unload a truck.

I remember him telling me the company gave him help, so I asked what happened to him? He said he's still there, but totally worthless. The guy bid on the job of shipping and receiving and easily got it because of his tenure, but he was afraid to drive a tow motor. So I asked why he didn't tell his supervisor about it? He said the supervisor is helpless because of the union. So I asked why he didn't address the union of the problem. He turned off his tow motor, gave a great sigh and said "I can drive this tow motor right through the front of your trailer, but because of the union, I'll still have a job tomorrow. But if I ever told the union that a union man can't do his job, they will throw my ass out of here in two minutes flat." He started the tow motor up and finished loading.

We understand Ray. Workers should work for free.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We understand Ray. Workers should work for free.

We're mostly a non-union country outside of government. Are all those non-union workers working for free?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

You see Tommy I used to be a local truck driver. I've seen dozens of companies pack up and leave. When possible, I spoke to the supervisors and in a few instances the owners of these companies. It killed them to go, but they had no choice. It was either move away from the union or join their employees in the unemployment line.

Unions were fine when they started out because they had no real strength. As time went on and they got stronger, their demands got higher. If you think they did so on behalf of the worker, you live in fantasy land. The more money the union gets their workers, the higher their union contributions. It's the unions that got greedy, not the companies.

With that strength came mutiny. Unions virtually took over companies. They told the company who they can hire, who they can fire, what the workers will get paid, and who gets the promotions when they come up even if they can't do the job. Nobody can successfully operate a company that way for any long period of time.

Like I said I could write a book on it, but one situation that comes to mind is I did my daily pickup at a company. The shipper was perturbed that I came there even though we were there every day. He apologized for his behavior, but went on to explain that every time a truck comes in, he has to stop packing parts and load or unload a truck.

I remember him telling me the company gave him help, so I asked what happened to him? He said he's still there, but totally worthless. The guy bid on the job of shipping and receiving and easily got it because of his tenure, but he was afraid to drive a tow motor. So I asked why he didn't tell his supervisor about it? He said the supervisor is helpless because of the union. So I asked why he didn't address the union of the problem. He turned off his tow motor, gave a great sigh and said "I can drive this tow motor right through the front of your trailer, but because of the union, I'll still have a job tomorrow. But if I ever told the union that a union man can't do his job, they will throw my ass out of here in two minutes flat." He started the tow motor up and finished loading me.

I weep for those companies making more profit abroad.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I weep for those companies making more profit abroad.

That's because you listen to lying leftist sources that tell you that's the reason they moved. Some do, but most have no choice but to move in order to stay open. Companies generally like to be near their customers and suppliers. They save a ton of money on shipping and receiving costs.