Stanford scientists find the climate and health impacts of natural gas stoves are greater than previously thought

[bripat9643]

No, warmer is almost always much drier, like the Sahara used to be cooler swamp.
Warmer produces high pressures that repel low pressures off the oceans and carrying moisture.

But yes, 250' is the max, if all ice melts.
And it not only could happen, but almost has to at this point.
We likely have passed the point it could have been stopped.
We already are seeing Siberian frozen methane being released in massive amounts, and methane is over 20 times the greenhouse gas, heat accumulator.

Wrong. We're talking about the entire earth, not just some isolated spots.

You're spouting warmist propaganda.

 

[bripat9643]

As someone who has been raised with both gas furnaces and gas stoves, I don't find them any different in terms of dangers from open flames, as an electric stove has of catching something on fire left on a hot stove. Leaks can be an issue with older appliances that haven't been properly maintained, but new appliances have lots of safety features to prevent leaks.

As a cook, I much prefer cooking with gas. It's simply superior. Not waiting for your burner to warm up and start cooking. All restaurants and commercial cooking places cook with gas stoves.

When you get a new electric stove, it takes a while to get used to how quickly it warms up, and what the various settings mean on you stovetop. But with gas, you turn it on and see the flame. It's also instant off. electric stoves take a LONG time to cool down.

For once you posted something I agree with.

 

[Rigby5]

NASA believes it is. Argue with them.



What the hell is "ocean faun?" If you meant "fauna," then you used the wrong term. "Fauna" is animals, not plants. America's rivers have mostly cleaned up. Water pollution is not much of a problem anymore, at least not in the advances industrial countries. Rivers in third world countries are another matter, however.

Sorry, typing fast. Flora it is.
US rivers are not at all "cleaned up".
We have massive agricultural run off, like from leaching irrigation fields.
Lots of salt and pesticides.

 

[PoliticalChic]

It would help if you did not constantly get this wrong from inappropriate propaganda stereotypes.
All really religious people believe in communism, and communists believe in decentralized power, to the point of Anarchism.

All families, relatives, small tribes, etc. are usually communist, (not profit motivated and share instead).
Religious groups, like Kibbutzim, monasteries, cloisters, etc. are almost always communist, (not profit motivated and share instead).

Lenin, Stalin, Mao, or Kim Il-sung were not at all communists.
Lenin was a German agent to destroy the Tzarist dynasty, and Stalin was an ultra capitalist bank robber.

What a stupid post.

Stupidity appears to be your area of expertise......due to practice, I suppose.

I look forward to seeing your picture on a milk carton.

 

[bripat9643]

Sorry, typing fast. Flora it is.
US rivers are not at all "cleaned up".
We have massive agricultural run off, like from leaching irrigation fields.
Lots of salt and pesticides.

Agricultural runoff causes plankton to bloom. Plankton are plants that consume CO2. The use of computers has allowed farmers to precisely apply fertilizer and pesticides only where it is needed, which means greatly reduced amounts in runoff.

You knowledge is stuck in the 80s.

 

[Rigby5]

Wrong. We're talking about the entire earth, not just some isolated spots.

You're spouting warmist propaganda.

Hotter usually increases pressure and diverts ocean lows carrying moisture.
Cities do that.
The SE of the whole country has been getting drier with global warming.
There are huge swaths of South America that is desert due to high temperatures.

1. Patagonian Desert. The Patagonian Desert is Argentina’s largest desert and the world’s fourth most extensive desert. ...
2. Atacama Desert. The Atacama Desert is one of the most notable deserts in South America occupying parts of Peru and Chile.
3. Sechura Desert. ...
4. Monte Desert. ...
5. La Guajira Desert. ...

 

[Rigby5]

Agricultural runoff causes plankton to bloom. Plankton are plants that consume CO2. The use of computers has allowed farmers to precisely apply fertilizer and pesticides only where it is needed, which means greatly reduced amounts in runoff.

You knowledge is stuck in the 80s.

Fertilizer run off can cause algae blooms, but that does not help produce oxygen and use up CO2 the away continental shelf flora does.
That algae bloom rapidly dies and returns to CO2.

No pesticides are needed at all.
They did not use much pesticides in the 80s.
The pesticides they use now are persistent and much more toxic to ocean flora.

 

[Rigby5]

The natural CO2 level changes all the time. It's been getting lower for thousands of years to the point where plants can barely live on what exists now.

Wrong.
The cause of the last ice age that ended 12,000 years ago was plants taking too much carbon from the air.
The death of the plants from the ice age has finally restored the carbon, so it warmed up again and ended the ice age.
But are supposed to be entering the next cooling phase, from a reduction in CO2, due to plant growth.

 

[Donald H]

Hotter usually increases pressure and diverts ocean lows carrying moisture.
Cities do that.
The SE of the whole country has been getting drier with global warming.
There are huge swaths of South America that is desert due to high temperatures.

1. Patagonian Desert. The Patagonian Desert is Argentina’s largest desert and the world’s fourth most extensive desert. ...
2. Atacama Desert. The Atacama Desert is one of the most notable deserts in South America occupying parts of Peru and Chile.
3. Sechura Desert. ...
4. Monte Desert. ...
5. La Guajira Desert. ...

Your informed and intelligent remarks aren't being wasted on the numbskulls. Others will learn bit by bit and become informed.

There's no rebuttal to convince decent people otherwise.

What a stupid post. duhhhhh!
Your knowledge is stuck in the 80;s, duhhhhhh!

 

[bripat9643]

Hotter usually increases pressure and diverts ocean lows carrying moisture.
Cities do that.

History has shown that a warmer world is a wetter world. It also means much milder weather; fewer hurricanes.

The SE of the whole country has been getting drier with global warming.

Has it? Where's the evidence?

There are huge swaths of South America that is desert due to high temperatures.

That's like saying inflation is caused by higher prices. IN the first place, deserts aren't always hot. Antarctica is a desert. In the second place, saying it is "hotter" than other places on the globe is something different than saying it's hotter than it used to be. During the ice age the deserts grew and the rainforests shrank. That fact is indisputable.

1. Patagonian Desert. The Patagonian Desert is Argentina’s largest desert and the world’s fourth most extensive desert. ...

It's also cold there.

1. Atacama Desert. The Atacama Desert is one of the most notable deserts in South America occupying parts of Peru and Chile.

The Atacama is a cold desert. It isn't hot.

1. Sechura Desert. ...
2. Monte Desert. ...
3. La Guajira Desert. ...

Ditto.

Here are some deserts where it's cold:

1. Greenland​

2. Gobi​

3. Arctic​

4. Great Basin​

5. Namib​

6. Turkestan​

7. Antarctica​

8. Atacama​

9. Iranian​

10. Taklamakan​

 

[bripat9643]

Fertilizer runoff can cause algae blooms, but that does not help produce oxygen and use up CO2 the away continental shelf flora does.
That algae bloom rapidly dies and returns to CO2.

No pesticides are needed at all.
They did not use much pesticides in the 80s.
The pesticides they use now are persistent and much more toxic to ocean flora.

Now you're blowing hot wind out your ass. Farmers use less pesticide and fertilizer now than in the past. You don't know much about modern farming if you don't know that. Reducing their use of pesticides and fertilizer saves them a lot of money and adds to the bottom line.

I doubt they are more toxic because formerly they used chemicals that similar to nerve gas and agent orange.

I haven't investigated your claim about algae blooms, so I can't comment intelligently on that.

 

[martybegan]

Now you're blowing hot wind out your ass. Farmers use less pesticide and fertilizer now than in the past. You don't know much about modern farming if you don't know that. Reducing their use of pesticides and fertilizer saves them a lot of money and adds to the bottom line.

I doubt they are more toxic because formerly they used chemicals that similar to nerve gas and agent orange.

I haven't investigated your claim about algae blooms, so I can't comment intelligently on that.

Those are mostly issues found in ocean bodies and lakes, the Gulf, the Long Island sound, the great lakes.

Runoff is an issue, but the one we were able to fix was from point sources, i.e. wastewater plants. The past 20 years wastewater plants have been upgraded to remove nitrogen and potassium, sources of algae blooms

Look up hypoxia in long island sound for a briefer on the topic.

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

The global warming kooks are going to use this as an excuse to ban the use of natural gas. Just watch:

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Rethinking cooking with gas | Stanford News​

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Natural gas stoves release methane – a potent greenhouse gas – and other pollutants through leaks and incomplete combustion. Stanford researchers estimate that methane leaking from stoves inside U.S. homes has the same climate impact as about 500,000 gasoline-powered cars and the stoves can expose people to respiratory disease-triggering pollutants.​

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Humans have cooked with fire for millennia, but it may be time for a change. Natural gas appliances warm the planet in two ways: generating carbon dioxide by burning natural gas as a fuel and leaking unburned methane into the air. A new Stanford-led study reveals that the methane leaking from natural gas-burning stoves inside U.S. homes has a climate impact comparable to the carbon dioxide emissions from about 500,000 gasoline-powered cars.​

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This extra warming from home methane leaks contributes about a third as much warming as the carbon dioxide generated by combustion of the stove’s natural gas, and sometimes exposes users to respiratory disease-triggering pollutants. The findings, published in Environmental Science & Technology, come as legislators in numerous U.S. municipalities and at least one state – New York – weigh banning natural gas hookups from new construction.​

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“Surprisingly, there are very few measurements of how much natural gas escapes into the air from inside homes and buildings through leaks and incomplete combustion from appliances,” said study lead author Eric Lebel, who conducted the research as a graduate student in Stanford’s School of Earth, Energy and Environmental Sciences (Stanford Earth). “It’s probably the part of natural gas emissions we understand the least about, and it can have a big impact on both climate and indoor air quality.”​

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An overlooked contributor to a growing problem Although carbon dioxide is more abundant in the atmosphere, methane’s global warming potential is about 86 times as great over a 20-year period and at least 25 times as great a century after its release. Methane also threatens air quality by increasing the concentration of tropospheric ozone, exposure to which causes an estimated 1 million premature deaths annually worldwide due to respiratory illnesses. Methane’s relative concentration has grown more than twice as fast as that of carbon dioxide since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution because of human-driven emissions.​

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While pipeline leaks of natural gas, which is more than 90 percent methane, have been studied extensively, natural gas-burning cooking appliances have received comparatively little attention.​

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Over one-third of U.S. households – more than 40 million homes – cook with gas. Unlike other gas appliances, such as space and water heaters that are usually placed away from living quarters, cooking appliances directly expose people to their emissions, which can include formaldehyde, carbon monoxide and nitric oxides that can trigger asthma, coughing, wheezing and difficulty breathing, occasionally resulting in hospitalization. Hood use and ventilation help reduce concentrations of nitrogen oxides and other co-produced pollutants in kitchen air, yet surveys show that home cooks on average use hoods for kitchen ventilation only 25–40 percent of the time.​

If we want to seriously address the existential threat of methane releases, it looks like we will need to drain all of the wetlands....

Seriously, though.... If we are worried about methane being a potent greenhouse gas, we should encourage its use. Better to burn the methane and convert it to carbon dioxide and water vapor - the products of perfect combustion of fossil fuels, than to let it vent into the atmosphere where it has more than an order of magnitude more warming potential and environmental persistence as CO2.

And the Earth just keeps producing more. Methane is effectively a natural renewable resource.

The Dems attempts to demonize clean-burning methane is just another attempt to control humankind.

Once they control carbon, they control virtually everything - the economy, energy,, transportation, agriculture, and even life itself.

 

[bripat9643]

Wrong.
The cause of the last ice age that ended 12,000 years ago was plants taking too much carbon from the air.
The death of the plants from the ice age has finally restored the carbon, so it warmed up again and ended the ice age.
But are supposed to be entering the next cooling phase, from a reduction in CO2, due to plant growth.

Nonsense. Continental drift is responsible for the numerous ice ages we've had over the last few million years.

 

[Clipper]

You said the key point: The left-tards in the world don't want to do it. Rational people understand that it can easily be dealt with. France is running on 70% nuclear. If they can do it, why can't we?

You prog morons behave as if you believe the waste is going to climb out the ground and chase you down.

Let's store it in your neighborhood, retard.

 

[Clipper]

Wrong. A warmer climate is a wetter climate with more plant growth producing more food.

All of Antarctica would have to melt for the oceans to rise 250 ft, and the odds of that happening are indistinguishable from zero

Yea, the upper midwest really helps to feed this Country with the thousands of acres of vegetables & fruit grown in their abnormally wet, cool climate, jerkoff.

 

[martybegan]

Let's store it in your neighborhood, retard.

My neighborhood doesn't have the rock structure like Yucca Mountain did.

 

[bripat9643]

Let's store it in your neighborhood, retard.

Luddites like you are destroying the world. Shall we also not build any factories, warehouses, chemical plants, Wind energy, airports?

You are beyond stupid. Pull your head out of the sand. There is no source of energy without a downside. Windmills kill 250,000 birds every year. Solar panels take thousands of acres of land.

The repository is in the middle of the desert 100 miles from anywhere and it's 2000 ft below ground. I'm perfectly content with it.

 

[bripat9643]

Yea, the upper midwest really helps to feed this Country with the thousands of acres of vegetables & fruit grown in their abnormally wet, cool climate, jerkoff.

How does that proe sea level would increase by 250 feet?

 

[The Original Tree]

Scientists have been warning about climate change for over 30 years, before Russian collusion or the pandemic was even thought of, Tree Humper.

Have you been out to lunch all this time?

Fighting the hole in the ozone and before that I defeated the next ICE age so called Scientists were warning us about.

That's where I was, snowflake.