Stampede at the Hajj

[aris2chat]

The only savages are the OP and those who agree with him; innocent lives were lost, lives no less valuable because of their religion

True. Going on a Hajj to Mecca may be silly religious nonsense, but it's always a tragedy when so many lives are lost.

Old School, it was a very sad news to hear about so many people dying over a stampede. Almost a thousand people? It was a senseless tragedy and has happened here in America too in the biggest shopping day of the year (is it Thanksgiving or day after?) there were stampeded reports - more than once - and people died as a result! But no where near 1,000 people. Very sad and I am sorry for the families of these people who are getting the news now that their family member, loved one died.

it has happened before and------now for the good news-----sophisticated safeguards
WERE put into effect by those SAUDI ROYALS (a few years ago) ----something
went wrong----------no doubt they will AGAIN try to fix the system and remove
the glitches. Of interest is that IRAN -----is blaming the Saudi Royals-------Please ---anyone out there------who is SURPRISED that Iran is BLAMING THE SAUDI KING-------raise your really IGNORANT hand

Yea, I read that too. And the major sects divide even further............

 

[gallantwarrior]

The only savages are the OP and those who agree with him; innocent lives were lost, lives no less valuable because of their religion

No, you've got that all wrong. Haven't you been paying attention? Only black lives matter. Everyone else need not apply.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Animals stampede, not human beings. Imagine the carnage if catholics were required to swarm the pope? Oh, the horror!

 

[Searcher44]

Thanks for demonstrating empathy.

That was really cool.

I guess that's his "christian ethic" shining through. Yes, what a fine example of the human animal he is.

 

[irosie91]

The only savages are the OP and those who agree with him; innocent lives were lost, lives no less valuable because of their religion

True. Going on a Hajj to Mecca may be silly religious nonsense, but it's always a tragedy when so many lives are lost.

Old School, it was a very sad news to hear about so many people dying over a stampede. Almost a thousand people? It was a senseless tragedy and has happened here in America too in the biggest shopping day of the year (is it Thanksgiving or day after?) there were stampeded reports - more than once - and people died as a result! But no where near 1,000 people. Very sad and I am sorry for the families of these people who are getting the news now that their family member, loved one died.

it has happened before and------now for the good news-----sophisticated safeguards
WERE put into effect by those SAUDI ROYALS (a few years ago) ----something
went wrong----------no doubt they will AGAIN try to fix the system and remove
the glitches. Of interest is that IRAN -----is blaming the Saudi Royals-------Please ---anyone out there------who is SURPRISED that Iran is BLAMING THE SAUDI KING-------raise your really IGNORANT hand

Yea, I read that too. And the major sects divide even further............

Animals stampede, not human beings. Imagine the carnage if catholics were required to swarm the pope? Oh, the horror!

they are not the only HUMAN stampede that ever happened------ to -what are you
objecting ? the word "stampede"-------ok-----they squished each other

 

[guno]

Sad that this had to happen. Regardless of what we might think of the religion and their rituals, for so many of these pilgrims this was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity and then to have this catastrophe befall them is a shame.


Radhica Sookraj
Published:
Friday, September 25, 2015

Pilgrims visiting Mecca are seen spending the night in Mudhulifa on Wednesday. PHOTO COURTESY ACKLIMA MOHAMMED


Two hundred and forty Trinidadians who journeyed to Mecca for Hajj have survived yesterday’s stampede which killed more than 700 people and injured 800 others in Saudi Arabia.

T&T Guardian’s sales executive Acklima Mohammed and her husband Mobarak Mohammed who are in Mecca had just performed the Jamaarat ritual known as "stoning the devil" in the tent city of Mina and had moved to the third floor of the building, when the stampede occurred.

Video footage provided by Mohammed showed bodies piled upon bodies. Few were moving. Ambulances rushed to the scene while Muslims gawked at the pile-up of still bodies. While international media reports said the cause of the stampede was still being investigated, Mohammed said she believed the chaos occurred when a group of Muslim faithfuls tried to stone the Jamaarat at an unscheduled time.

Continue reading at:

‘Stormers’ caused fatal stampede?

From what I read it wasn't a stampede, just too many people on the bridge road that was supposed to be one way , it happened suddenly, not a stampede

 

[Searcher44]

Animals stampede, not human beings. Imagine the carnage if catholics were required to swarm the pope? Oh, the horror!

Hundreds of people all over the world are killed in "human stampedes" every year. One of the worst in history was the Chicago theater fire in 1903 where over 600 died, most in rushes to and crushes at inadequate exits. Religious pilgrims seem to be particularly at risk, India has had numerous tragedies of the same nature. Too many people in too little space at the same time. 2,000,000 faithful at the Hajj seems to be a recipe for disaster. This happens with a tragic regularity. They have to do something but it's hard to control religious fanatics from all religions, rationality is overwhelmed by ancient supernatural mind numbing rites and superstition.

 

[aris2chat]

Animals stampede, not human beings. Imagine the carnage if catholics were required to swarm the pope? Oh, the horror!

Hundreds of people all over the world are killed in "human stampedes" every year. One of the worst in history was the Chicago theater fire in 1903 where over 600 died, most in rushes to and crushes at inadequate exits. Religious pilgrims seem to be particularly at risk, India has had numerous tragedies of the same nature. Too many people in too little space at the same time. 2,000,000 faithful at the Hajj seems to be a recipe for disaster. This happens with a tragic regularity. They have to do something but it's hard to control religious fanatics from all religions, rationality is overwhelmed by ancient supernatural mind numbing rites and superstition.

Bangladesh, India, Baghdad, China, Malaysia, Russia

 

[irosie91]

Sad that this had to happen. Regardless of what we might think of the religion and their rituals, for so many of these pilgrims this was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity and then to have this catastrophe befall them is a shame.


Radhica Sookraj
Published:
Friday, September 25, 2015

Pilgrims visiting Mecca are seen spending the night in Mudhulifa on Wednesday. PHOTO COURTESY ACKLIMA MOHAMMED


Two hundred and forty Trinidadians who journeyed to Mecca for Hajj have survived yesterday’s stampede which killed more than 700 people and injured 800 others in Saudi Arabia.

T&T Guardian’s sales executive Acklima Mohammed and her husband Mobarak Mohammed who are in Mecca had just performed the Jamaarat ritual known as "stoning the devil" in the tent city of Mina and had moved to the third floor of the building, when the stampede occurred.

Video footage provided by Mohammed showed bodies piled upon bodies. Few were moving. Ambulances rushed to the scene while Muslims gawked at the pile-up of still bodies. While international media reports said the cause of the stampede was still being investigated, Mohammed said she believed the chaos occurred when a group of Muslim faithfuls tried to stone the Jamaarat at an unscheduled time.

Continue reading at:

‘Stormers’ caused fatal stampede?

From what I read it wasn't a stampede, just too many people on the bridge road that was supposed to be one way , it happened suddenly, not a stampede

what happened "suddenly" humans SELF SQUISHED-------a weird phenomenon like SPONTANEOUS COMBUSTION?

 

[Roudy]

The only savages are the OP and those who agree with him; innocent lives were lost, lives no less valuable because of their religion

Innocent lives were lost because it's a barbaric religion and people get aggressive, as the pilgrimage takes it toil on their nerves. This savagery and barbarism has been happening almost every single Hajj, even though the Saudi's have spent billions in safety and more police officers. So who should be the ones who cares about the loss of innocent lives? Surely those that are doing the pilgrimage or those that are hosting it. Why is this the only religion where these kinds atrocities happen on a regular basis?

 

[Roudy]

Thanks for demonstrating empathy.

That was really cool.

Empathy with for what? Why they stampede like wild jackasses killing hundreds of innocent lives almost every fucking year.

if they aren't stampeding on their so called religious holidays, they're bombing fellow Muslims and any infidels they can find.

 

[irosie91]

-----lets cut the sarcasm------DEAR COUSIN ARABS-----I IS A SIMPLE JEWESS----
YOU COUSIN-------uhm ----thru Isaac. I have some advice for you, dear cousins---
CUT THE SUBSCRIPTIONS------limit the hadj----think more like----something
you can handle easily ----like ---maybe ---200,000

 

[irosie91]

Thanks for demonstrating empathy.

That was really cool.

Empathy with for what? Why they stampede like wild jackasses killing hundreds of innocent lives almost every fucking year.

if they aren't stampeding on their so called religious holidays, they're bombing fellow Muslims and any infidels they can find.

have some compassion-----think of the stress-----as in "OY---I GOTTA DO THAT
HADJ THING-----packed in like a sardine"

 

[waltky]

Iran accuses Saudis of neglect...

Saudi Arabia accused of neglect over deadly disaster at hajj
Sep 25,`15 -- Saudi Arabia faced new accusations of neglect Friday in the hajj disaster that killed over 700 people, the second tragedy at this year's pilgrimage overseen by the kingdom's rulers who base their legitimacy in part on protecting Islam's holiest sites.

Leading the criticism was regional Shiite powerhouse Iran, which always seeks an opportunity to undermine its Sunni adversary. Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said in New York that at least 140 Iranians were killed. He suggested that "ineptitude" by the Saudi authorities involved in organizing the hajj was to blame for the two accidents this month that have resulted in at least 830 deaths.

In Tehran, the Iranian Foreign Ministry summoned a Saudi envoy for the second time in as many days to hear protests over the incident, a vice president blamed Saudi "mismanagement," and thousands marched in the streets and denounced the Saudi royal family. Saudi Arabia has spent billions of dollars and undertaken massive construction projects to make the annual hajj safer for the world's Muslims, and the last serious loss of life had occurred nine years ago.

An Iranian worshipper holds a poster of Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and late revolutionary founder Ayatollah Khomeini, at top left of the poster as she chant slogans while attending an anti-Saudi protest rally on Thursday, after their Friday prayer service in Tehran, Iran, Friday, Sept. 25, 2015. Thousands of Iranian worshippers have marched in Tehran after Friday prayers to denounce the "incompetency" of Saudi Arabia in handling the annual hajj pilgrimage. The protest came a day after at least 719 pilgrims died during a crush on the outskirts of the holy city of Mecca.

In the worst hajj disaster in a quarter century, two huge waves of pilgrims converged Thursday on a street near a religious site in Mina, and 719 people were crushed or trampled to death, while 863 were injured. That followed an accident Sept. 11 in which a storm toppled a crane at the Grand Mosque in Mecca that killed 111 people. While Saudi authorities are still investigating Thursday's accident, Health Minister Khalid al-Falih has blamed it on the masses themselves, telling a Saudi broadcaster that "some pilgrims had moved in the wrong direction amid the crowds."

But a survivor who spoke to The Associated Press said some Saudi guards only exacerbated the stampede at Mina by refusing to open nearby gates that could have relieved the crush. The street where the incident took place is about 12 meters (36 feet) wide and lined with barricades, behind which are tents of hajj tour groups. Pilgrims move in one direction to and from a religious complex, where they throw stones at pillars representing the devil. On Thursday, the crowds apparently collided with each other at an intersection, the Interior Ministry said.

MORE

 

[irosie91]

Iran accuses Saudis of neglect...

Saudi Arabia accused of neglect over deadly disaster at hajj
Sep 25,`15 -- Saudi Arabia faced new accusations of neglect Friday in the hajj disaster that killed over 700 people, the second tragedy at this year's pilgrimage overseen by the kingdom's rulers who base their legitimacy in part on protecting Islam's holiest sites.

Leading the criticism was regional Shiite powerhouse Iran, which always seeks an opportunity to undermine its Sunni adversary. Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said in New York that at least 140 Iranians were killed. He suggested that "ineptitude" by the Saudi authorities involved in organizing the hajj was to blame for the two accidents this month that have resulted in at least 830 deaths.

In Tehran, the Iranian Foreign Ministry summoned a Saudi envoy for the second time in as many days to hear protests over the incident, a vice president blamed Saudi "mismanagement," and thousands marched in the streets and denounced the Saudi royal family. Saudi Arabia has spent billions of dollars and undertaken massive construction projects to make the annual hajj safer for the world's Muslims, and the last serious loss of life had occurred nine years ago.

An Iranian worshipper holds a poster of Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and late revolutionary founder Ayatollah Khomeini, at top left of the poster as she chant slogans while attending an anti-Saudi protest rally on Thursday, after their Friday prayer service in Tehran, Iran, Friday, Sept. 25, 2015. Thousands of Iranian worshippers have marched in Tehran after Friday prayers to denounce the "incompetency" of Saudi Arabia in handling the annual hajj pilgrimage. The protest came a day after at least 719 pilgrims died during a crush on the outskirts of the holy city of Mecca.

In the worst hajj disaster in a quarter century, two huge waves of pilgrims converged Thursday on a street near a religious site in Mina, and 719 people were crushed or trampled to death, while 863 were injured. That followed an accident Sept. 11 in which a storm toppled a crane at the Grand Mosque in Mecca that killed 111 people. While Saudi authorities are still investigating Thursday's accident, Health Minister Khalid al-Falih has blamed it on the masses themselves, telling a Saudi broadcaster that "some pilgrims had moved in the wrong direction amid the crowds."

But a survivor who spoke to The Associated Press said some Saudi guards only exacerbated the stampede at Mina by refusing to open nearby gates that could have relieved the crush. The street where the incident took place is about 12 meters (36 feet) wide and lined with barricades, behind which are tents of hajj tour groups. Pilgrims move in one direction to and from a religious complex, where they throw stones at pillars representing the devil. On Thursday, the crowds apparently collided with each other at an intersection, the Interior Ministry said.

MORE

watta surprise------ROUHANI said-------"those lousy Zionist controlled Saudis did it"

 

[gallantwarrior]

Sad that this had to happen. Regardless of what we might think of the religion and their rituals, for so many of these pilgrims this was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity and then to have this catastrophe befall them is a shame.


Radhica Sookraj
Published:
Friday, September 25, 2015

Pilgrims visiting Mecca are seen spending the night in Mudhulifa on Wednesday. PHOTO COURTESY ACKLIMA MOHAMMED


Two hundred and forty Trinidadians who journeyed to Mecca for Hajj have survived yesterday’s stampede which killed more than 700 people and injured 800 others in Saudi Arabia.

T&T Guardian’s sales executive Acklima Mohammed and her husband Mobarak Mohammed who are in Mecca had just performed the Jamaarat ritual known as "stoning the devil" in the tent city of Mina and had moved to the third floor of the building, when the stampede occurred.

Video footage provided by Mohammed showed bodies piled upon bodies. Few were moving. Ambulances rushed to the scene while Muslims gawked at the pile-up of still bodies. While international media reports said the cause of the stampede was still being investigated, Mohammed said she believed the chaos occurred when a group of Muslim faithfuls tried to stone the Jamaarat at an unscheduled time.

Continue reading at:

‘Stormers’ caused fatal stampede?

From what I read it wasn't a stampede, just too many people on the bridge road that was supposed to be one way , it happened suddenly, not a stampede

what happened "suddenly" humans SELF SQUISHED-------a weird phenomenon like SPONTANEOUS COMBUSTION?

Based on the report, they did not so much "self squish" as they squished each other.

 

[irosie91]

Sad that this had to happen. Regardless of what we might think of the religion and their rituals, for so many of these pilgrims this was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity and then to have this catastrophe befall them is a shame.


Radhica Sookraj
Published:
Friday, September 25, 2015

Pilgrims visiting Mecca are seen spending the night in Mudhulifa on Wednesday. PHOTO COURTESY ACKLIMA MOHAMMED


Two hundred and forty Trinidadians who journeyed to Mecca for Hajj have survived yesterday’s stampede which killed more than 700 people and injured 800 others in Saudi Arabia.

T&T Guardian’s sales executive Acklima Mohammed and her husband Mobarak Mohammed who are in Mecca had just performed the Jamaarat ritual known as "stoning the devil" in the tent city of Mina and had moved to the third floor of the building, when the stampede occurred.

Video footage provided by Mohammed showed bodies piled upon bodies. Few were moving. Ambulances rushed to the scene while Muslims gawked at the pile-up of still bodies. While international media reports said the cause of the stampede was still being investigated, Mohammed said she believed the chaos occurred when a group of Muslim faithfuls tried to stone the Jamaarat at an unscheduled time.

Continue reading at:

‘Stormers’ caused fatal stampede?

From what I read it wasn't a stampede, just too many people on the bridge road that was supposed to be one way , it happened suddenly, not a stampede

what happened "suddenly" humans SELF SQUISHED-------a weird phenomenon like SPONTANEOUS COMBUSTION?

Based on the report, they did not so much "self squish" as they squished each other.

good point------the MUTUAL SQUISH-------is the issue--------after all-------mutual
squishing is NOT part of the ceremony of rock throwing at the devil---------
the situation suggests that THE DEVIL MADE THEM DO IT

 

[Roudy]

Iran accuses Saudis of neglect...

Saudi Arabia accused of neglect over deadly disaster at hajj
Sep 25,`15 -- Saudi Arabia faced new accusations of neglect Friday in the hajj disaster that killed over 700 people, the second tragedy at this year's pilgrimage overseen by the kingdom's rulers who base their legitimacy in part on protecting Islam's holiest sites.

Leading the criticism was regional Shiite powerhouse Iran, which always seeks an opportunity to undermine its Sunni adversary. Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said in New York that at least 140 Iranians were killed. He suggested that "ineptitude" by the Saudi authorities involved in organizing the hajj was to blame for the two accidents this month that have resulted in at least 830 deaths.

In Tehran, the Iranian Foreign Ministry summoned a Saudi envoy for the second time in as many days to hear protests over the incident, a vice president blamed Saudi "mismanagement," and thousands marched in the streets and denounced the Saudi royal family. Saudi Arabia has spent billions of dollars and undertaken massive construction projects to make the annual hajj safer for the world's Muslims, and the last serious loss of life had occurred nine years ago.

An Iranian worshipper holds a poster of Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and late revolutionary founder Ayatollah Khomeini, at top left of the poster as she chant slogans while attending an anti-Saudi protest rally on Thursday, after their Friday prayer service in Tehran, Iran, Friday, Sept. 25, 2015. Thousands of Iranian worshippers have marched in Tehran after Friday prayers to denounce the "incompetency" of Saudi Arabia in handling the annual hajj pilgrimage. The protest came a day after at least 719 pilgrims died during a crush on the outskirts of the holy city of Mecca.

In the worst hajj disaster in a quarter century, two huge waves of pilgrims converged Thursday on a street near a religious site in Mina, and 719 people were crushed or trampled to death, while 863 were injured. That followed an accident Sept. 11 in which a storm toppled a crane at the Grand Mosque in Mecca that killed 111 people. While Saudi authorities are still investigating Thursday's accident, Health Minister Khalid al-Falih has blamed it on the masses themselves, telling a Saudi broadcaster that "some pilgrims had moved in the wrong direction amid the crowds."

But a survivor who spoke to The Associated Press said some Saudi guards only exacerbated the stampede at Mina by refusing to open nearby gates that could have relieved the crush. The street where the incident took place is about 12 meters (36 feet) wide and lined with barricades, behind which are tents of hajj tour groups. Pilgrims move in one direction to and from a religious complex, where they throw stones at pillars representing the devil. On Thursday, the crowds apparently collided with each other at an intersection, the Interior Ministry said.

MORE

Well of course the Shiites can run Mecca much better. You just have to wait a few years until they get their hands on a nuke until they grab control. Grab some popcorn and your remote.

 

[aris2chat]

Iran accuses Saudis of neglect...

Saudi Arabia accused of neglect over deadly disaster at hajj
Sep 25,`15 -- Saudi Arabia faced new accusations of neglect Friday in the hajj disaster that killed over 700 people, the second tragedy at this year's pilgrimage overseen by the kingdom's rulers who base their legitimacy in part on protecting Islam's holiest sites.

Leading the criticism was regional Shiite powerhouse Iran, which always seeks an opportunity to undermine its Sunni adversary. Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said in New York that at least 140 Iranians were killed. He suggested that "ineptitude" by the Saudi authorities involved in organizing the hajj was to blame for the two accidents this month that have resulted in at least 830 deaths.

In Tehran, the Iranian Foreign Ministry summoned a Saudi envoy for the second time in as many days to hear protests over the incident, a vice president blamed Saudi "mismanagement," and thousands marched in the streets and denounced the Saudi royal family. Saudi Arabia has spent billions of dollars and undertaken massive construction projects to make the annual hajj safer for the world's Muslims, and the last serious loss of life had occurred nine years ago.

An Iranian worshipper holds a poster of Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and late revolutionary founder Ayatollah Khomeini, at top left of the poster as she chant slogans while attending an anti-Saudi protest rally on Thursday, after their Friday prayer service in Tehran, Iran, Friday, Sept. 25, 2015. Thousands of Iranian worshippers have marched in Tehran after Friday prayers to denounce the "incompetency" of Saudi Arabia in handling the annual hajj pilgrimage. The protest came a day after at least 719 pilgrims died during a crush on the outskirts of the holy city of Mecca.

In the worst hajj disaster in a quarter century, two huge waves of pilgrims converged Thursday on a street near a religious site in Mina, and 719 people were crushed or trampled to death, while 863 were injured. That followed an accident Sept. 11 in which a storm toppled a crane at the Grand Mosque in Mecca that killed 111 people. While Saudi authorities are still investigating Thursday's accident, Health Minister Khalid al-Falih has blamed it on the masses themselves, telling a Saudi broadcaster that "some pilgrims had moved in the wrong direction amid the crowds."

But a survivor who spoke to The Associated Press said some Saudi guards only exacerbated the stampede at Mina by refusing to open nearby gates that could have relieved the crush. The street where the incident took place is about 12 meters (36 feet) wide and lined with barricades, behind which are tents of hajj tour groups. Pilgrims move in one direction to and from a religious complex, where they throw stones at pillars representing the devil. On Thursday, the crowds apparently collided with each other at an intersection, the Interior Ministry said.

MORE

Well of course the Shiites can run Mecca much better. You just have to wait a few years until they get their hands on a nuke until they grab control. Grab some popcorn and your remote.

The rock could always be stolen again

 

[Roudy]

Iran accuses Saudis of neglect...

Saudi Arabia accused of neglect over deadly disaster at hajj
Sep 25,`15 -- Saudi Arabia faced new accusations of neglect Friday in the hajj disaster that killed over 700 people, the second tragedy at this year's pilgrimage overseen by the kingdom's rulers who base their legitimacy in part on protecting Islam's holiest sites.

Leading the criticism was regional Shiite powerhouse Iran, which always seeks an opportunity to undermine its Sunni adversary. Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said in New York that at least 140 Iranians were killed. He suggested that "ineptitude" by the Saudi authorities involved in organizing the hajj was to blame for the two accidents this month that have resulted in at least 830 deaths.

In Tehran, the Iranian Foreign Ministry summoned a Saudi envoy for the second time in as many days to hear protests over the incident, a vice president blamed Saudi "mismanagement," and thousands marched in the streets and denounced the Saudi royal family. Saudi Arabia has spent billions of dollars and undertaken massive construction projects to make the annual hajj safer for the world's Muslims, and the last serious loss of life had occurred nine years ago.

An Iranian worshipper holds a poster of Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and late revolutionary founder Ayatollah Khomeini, at top left of the poster as she chant slogans while attending an anti-Saudi protest rally on Thursday, after their Friday prayer service in Tehran, Iran, Friday, Sept. 25, 2015. Thousands of Iranian worshippers have marched in Tehran after Friday prayers to denounce the "incompetency" of Saudi Arabia in handling the annual hajj pilgrimage. The protest came a day after at least 719 pilgrims died during a crush on the outskirts of the holy city of Mecca.

In the worst hajj disaster in a quarter century, two huge waves of pilgrims converged Thursday on a street near a religious site in Mina, and 719 people were crushed or trampled to death, while 863 were injured. That followed an accident Sept. 11 in which a storm toppled a crane at the Grand Mosque in Mecca that killed 111 people. While Saudi authorities are still investigating Thursday's accident, Health Minister Khalid al-Falih has blamed it on the masses themselves, telling a Saudi broadcaster that "some pilgrims had moved in the wrong direction amid the crowds."

But a survivor who spoke to The Associated Press said some Saudi guards only exacerbated the stampede at Mina by refusing to open nearby gates that could have relieved the crush. The street where the incident took place is about 12 meters (36 feet) wide and lined with barricades, behind which are tents of hajj tour groups. Pilgrims move in one direction to and from a religious complex, where they throw stones at pillars representing the devil. On Thursday, the crowds apparently collided with each other at an intersection, the Interior Ministry said.

MORE

watta surprise------ROUHANI said-------"those lousy Zionist controlled Saudis did it"

Have you noticed no Joooos died in the stampede? You gotta ask yourself, "who benefits from this?!" Obviously those evil Joooos. This whole stampede was a false flag Mossad operation designed to make Muslims look bad.