Zone1 St Paul said not to pray for those in mortal sin (abortionists, adulterers, pornographers, fornicators)

[forkintheroad7]

Gallup says:

"..nearly twice as many pro-[abortion] voters (40%) as pro-life voters (22%) say they will only vote for a candidate who agrees with them on abortion."


Me: Well, this ties in quite neatly (unfortunately) with a comment I made elsewhere about how this country did not deserve to be saved from the demonic ones by Trump/Vance --due to excess perversion, lawlessness, murdering the unborn, and generally ditching Jesus Christ in their lives..

This information on America's views on abortion proves my point in spades.

I guess I'm supposed to pray for the pro abortion people, even though I feel like slapping them (and worse).

But wait... There's that scripture that makes the distinction btwn mortal and venial sin. St Paul says to pray for those guilty of the latter but as to the former, the ones living in mortal sin he says

"I do not say pray for them"



Here is that psg

He that knoweth his brother to sin a sin which is not to death, let him ask, and life shall be given to him, who sinneth not to death. There is a sin unto death: for that I say not that any man ask.

1 John 5:16

 

[White 6]

Interesting interpretation of that passage, but many bible scholars disagree on the meaning.

1 John 5:16 Commentaries: If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask and God will for him give life to those who commit sin not leading to death. There is a sin leading to death; I do not say that he should make re

 

[hobelim]

St Paul said not to pray for those in mortal sin (abortionists, adulterers, pornographers, fornicators)​

Does that include people who set aside the Law of God, worship a trinity, celebrate human sacrifice, eat Jesus, and teach others to do the same which amounts to intentional murder whether they have made great errors in their own speculations or have been misled themselves?

Okey dokey

**** y'all

 

[forkintheroad7]

St Paul said not to pray for those in mortal sin (abortionists, adulterers, pornographers, fornicators)​

Does that include people who set aside the Law of God, worship a trinity, celebrate human sacrifice, eat Jesus, and teach others to do the same which amounts to intentional murder?

Okey dokey

Jesus told us to "eat" Him

I guess you haven't read St John in the Bible? Chapter 6:27-72 (if I recall)

Also, it is protestants who set aside the Law of the Lord..

But I get it that it's been a LONG time (500+ years) since the only Christian Church in the entire world was the Catholic Church (still is the only one), so I see why so many are lost, in false religions or no religion.

 

[ding]

Does that include people who set aside the Law of God, worship a trinity, celebrate human sacrifice, eat Jesus, and teach others to do the same which amounts to intentional murder whether they have made great errors in their own speculations or have been misled themselves?

Okey dokey

**** y'all

Sounds like a Jewish argument to me. You are doing an excellent job of making Jews seem intolerant. Is that your objective? Hamas much?

 

[alang1216]

Gallup says:

"..nearly twice as many pro-[abortion] voters (40%) as pro-life voters (22%) say they will only vote for a candidate who agrees with them on abortion."


Me: Well, this ties in quite neatly (unfortunately) with a comment I made elsewhere about how this country did not deserve to be saved from the demonic ones by Trump/Vance --due to excess perversion, lawlessness, murdering the unborn, and generally ditching Jesus Christ in their lives..

This information on America's views on abortion proves my point in spades.

I guess I'm supposed to pray for the pro abortion people, even though I feel like slapping them (and worse).

But wait... There's that scripture that makes the distinction btwn mortal and venial sin. St Paul says to pray for those guilty of the latter but as to the former, the ones living in mortal sin he says

"I do not say pray for them"



Here is that psg

He that knoweth his brother to sin a sin which is not to death, let him ask, and life shall be given to him, who sinneth not to death. There is a sin unto death: for that I say not that any man ask.

1 John 5:16

Where does Paul list abortion and pornography as mortal sins?

 

[forkintheroad7]

Where does Paul list abortion and pornography as mortal sins?

Oh, I forgot, most people are not in THE Church Christ founded, so yeh, I get the question.

It's really sad that people are always too busy to search out where the Church Christ founded is. Here's a clue: It started in the Beginning with the Ascension of Christ and the 12 Apostles (first bishops, Peter being the first pope) and the Vatican always taught true Catholicism for 1958 years, but then it was taken over by anti-christs. So today, it no longer is Catholic, and so people, Catholic or not, are confused.. or I should say More confused than ever. They have nothing to go by these days except their own limited minds crowded by often-illogical and subjective thoughts and feelings as human minds always are---

What was the question again? LOL

 

[forkintheroad7]

Where does Paul list abortion and pornography as mortal sins?

it's called Church teaching

papal authority

Christ leading through his people, the popes and clergy and also the lay people (have a role). However, once again, we have no valid pope at this time and God knows when or if we will any time soon

 

[alang1216]

it's called Church teaching

papal authority

Christ leading through his people, the popes and clergy and also the lay people (have a role). However, once again, we have no valid pope at this time and God knows when or if we will any time soon

So your OP, "St Paul said not to pray for those in mortal sin (abortionists, adulterers, pornographers, fornicators)", was really you putting words in St Paul's mouth from your lay authority?

 

[forkintheroad7]

So your OP, "St Paul said not to pray for those in mortal sin (abortionists, adulterers, pornographers, fornicators)", was really you putting words in St Paul's mouth from your lay authority?

whatever. You're just a person full of malice, not an honest enquirer after truth.

The CHURCH Christ founded defines what mortal and venial sin is. If you don't want to believe like a Catholic, that is your choice. But there is only ONE true Church

 

[lafayette]

The LDS General Authorities say to pray for all.

 

[forkintheroad7]

The LDS General Authorities say to pray for all.

so the LDS are holier than thous?

they are right because they virtue signal?

 

[ninja007]

Jesus told us to "eat" Him

I guess you haven't read St John in the Bible? Chapter 6:27-72 (if I recall)

Also, it is protestants who set aside the Law of the Lord..

But I get it that it's been a LONG time (500+ years) since the only Christian Church in the entire world was the Catholic Church (still is the only one), so I see why so many are lost, in false religions or no religion.

The false doctrine of Transubstantiation is contrary to Bible language. Remember, the supporters of this doctrine often argue: "He [Christ] didn't say it's a representation of his body and blood." So, we will now apply this faulty "reasoning" to other of Christ's statements found in the Scriptures and see how they weigh:

• When Jesus said, "I am the bread," (John 6:41) did He mean literal bread? Remember, as argued by supporters of this doctrine, He didn't say, "I am a representation of bread."
  
  
• When Jesus said, "I am the vine," (John 15:5) was He a literal vine? He didn't say, "I am a representation of a vine." Therefore, if Christ was a literal vine, then His disciples had to be literal branches, because He said, "I am the vine, ye are the branches."
  
  
• When Jesus said, "I am the door," (John 10:7,9) was He a literal door? He didn't say, "I am a representation of a door."
  
  
• When Jesus said, "I am the good shepherd,"(John 10:11,12) was He a literal shepherd? He didn't say, "I am a representation of a shepherd." We might also ask, were the "sheep," the "shepherd," and the "wolf" mentioned in these verses literal or figurative?
  
  
• When Jesus taught, in Matthew 5:13-14, "Ye are the light of the world," did He mean the disciples were literal lights? If so, I wonder what kind--candles, lamps, torches, etc. Remember, He didn't say, "Ye are a representation of light."
  
  
• When Jesus said, "Ye are the salt of the earth," did He mean they were table salt, rock salt, kosher salt, or block salt? Which? Let them tell us. Remember, He didn't say, "Ye are a representation of salt."
  

By using Catholicism's own faulty "reasoning," it is easy to show the foolishness and fallacy of such quibbles. In the passages cited above, Jesus used figures of speech (metaphors) in His teachings, just as He did when He instituted the memorial supper.

 

[ninja007]

Oh, I forgot, most people are not in THE Church Christ founded, so yeh, I get the question.

It's really sad that people are always too busy to search out where the Church Christ founded is. Here's a clue: It started in the Beginning with the Ascension of Christ and the 12 Apostles (first bishops, Peter being the first pope) and the Vatican always taught true Catholicism for 1958 years, but then it was taken over by anti-christs. So today, it no longer is Catholic, and so people, Catholic or not, are confused.. or I should say More confused than ever. They have nothing to go by these days except their own limited minds crowded by often-illogical and subjective thoughts and feelings as human minds always are---

What was the question again? LOL

There are several reasons why Peter was not the first pope and why Jesus never instituted the office of pope. The rock in Matt 16:18 is not Peter; rather it is “the Christ, the Son of the living God,” (Matt 16:16). This is seen clearly in the cross-references: the rock is Jesus who is God (1 Cor 10:4, Deut 32:4, 18, 31); Jesus is the foundation (1 Cor 3:11); Jesus is the chief cornerstone (1 Pet 2:6-8). Peter is not a rock; he is a stone (Jn 1:42), like the rest of us (1 Pet 2:5). Jesus had to rebuke Peter within five verses of giving him the keys to the kingdom of heaven. He “said unto Peter, Get thee behind me Satan,” (Matt 16:23).


The statement, “and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it,” (Matt 16:18) is not a reference to the church; it is a reference to the rock. The gates of hell didn’t prevail against the rock when Jesus spent 3 days and 3 nights in hell before his resurrection (Acts 2:27, 31). The gates of hell couldn’t hold him. Peter wouldn’t allow a man to bow before him or to kiss his ring like the popes do (Acts 10:25-26). Peter was married with children (1 Cor 9:5; 1 Pet 5:13). Peter was the elder in Babylon, not Rome (1 Pet 5:13). The presiding elder in the church council was not Peter; it was James (Acts 15:13; Gal 2:11-12).

 

[ninja007]

whatever. You're just a person full of malice, not an honest enquirer after truth.

The CHURCH Christ founded defines what mortal and venial sin is. If you don't want to believe like a Catholic, that is your choice. But there is only ONE true Church

No one says Peter's authority was passed on until A.D. 250, when Cyprian does so, and Cyprian specifically rejects the authority of the bishop of Rome.

 

[ninja007]

So your OP, "St Paul said not to pray for those in mortal sin (abortionists, adulterers, pornographers, fornicators)", was really you putting words in St Paul's mouth from your lay authority?

sin is sin.

 

[luiza]

sin is sin. im2 is not black

Theological teaser .
Would ridding this world of IQ-2.0 and Nazi Troll Titty Mc Titwinkle be one , two, or no , sin ?

 

[zaangalewa]

Jesus told us to "eat" Him

I guess you haven't read St John in the Bible? Chapter 6:27-72 (if I recall)

Also, it is protestants who set aside the Law of the Lord..

But I get it that it's been a LONG time (500+ years) since the only Christian Church in the entire world was the Catholic Church (still is the only one), so I see why so many are lost, in false religions or no religion.

You are a Catholic who doesn't know that the schisma graecorum was in 1054? I will pray for you. Hopefully no one had done suicide or got a stroke because you said "500+" instead of "~1000" - otherwise I could not pray for you, hypothetic murderer.

By the way: Pray for whomever you like to pray - independent from anything else than the own love. God will understand what you say on what reason. Always everyone has a chance. God's decision - not the decision of anyone else.

 

[zaangalewa]

sin is sin.

Depends. Picking your nose is not yet a sin. But what if you break through and commit suicide?

 

[zaangalewa]

Theological teaser .
Would ridding this world of IQ-2.0 and Nazi Troll Titty Mc Titwinkle be one , two, or no , sin ?

Eh? Is sin not written "Russian" in Russian, Russian?