Special counsel seeks testimony from Trump lawyer as prosecutors allege evidence of crime

[pknopp]

There is no evidence I'm aware of that Joe knew the docs were there. That is not the case with Trump, who directed that the docs be taken from the WH to MAL.

Joe had them. Joe didn't make sure they were properly cared for.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The special counsel investigating Donald Trump’s handling of classified documents is seeking to compel a lawyer for the former president to testify before a grand jury, a source familiar with the matter said. Prosecutors allege in a sealed filing that they have evidence that some of Trump’s conversations with the attorney were in furtherance of a crime, the source said.


In a sign of an aggressive new legal strategy, first reported by The New York Times, the source said special counsel Jack Smith has asked a judge to allow prosecutors to invoke what’s known as the crime-fraud exception, which would let them sidestep protections afforded to Trump lawyer Evan Corcoran through attorney-client privilege. The source did not say what questions the government is trying to force Corcoran to answer.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ju...mp-lawyer-prosecutors-allege-eviden-rcna70711

For those unfamiliar with the term "crime fraud exception" it's exactly what the name implies. Attorney client privilege is waved if the advice the client is getting is in service of a crime. It doesn't take much to connect the dots here. Corcoran is the lawyer who wrote the letter claiming there were no more classified docs in Trump's possession. Ooops.

If Corcoran wrote the letter at Don's direction or with his knowledge that is obstruction of justice. Something Don is well practiced at according to Mueller's report.

Obstruction of Justice in the Mueller Report: A Heat Map

The Mueller report describes numerous instances in which President Trump may have obstructed justice. A few days ago, I threw together a quick spreadsheet on Twitter to assess how Special Counsel Robert Mueller seemed to assess the evidence.

www.lawfareblog.com

You got him this time!!! Impeachment #3!!!

It's Mueller Time!

 

[Chillicothe]

That needs to be decided in court.

Cool. Arrest and indict Trump. Try him. Let the court decide. I'm cool with that.
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There is no crime here, and every single story about this whole caper, from the raid at Mar a Lago to today is just another manifestation of TDS.

And every over-the-top emotional defense of Trump in this case is a manifestation of TDS --a Trump Duped and Snookered MAGA-Qloon.

Just sayin'.
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The laws and regulations concerning the handling of classified information were created and intended to criminalize MIS-handling of classified information by EMPLOYEES of Government, mainly DoD.

Source?
Or simply made up to support a partisan interest and partisan argument?
Show.
Or go.
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They were NEVER intended to apply to a President or VP, about whom it is literally INCONCEIVABLE to suppose that they would use these documents or the information contained in them for nefarious purposes.

Again, source that they were never intended to apply.

BTW, it is NOT inconceivable for the POTUS or the VPOTUS to commit a crime (ala' Agnew).
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Grow the fuck up.

Mmmm, I don't have much of a ceiling above me. Already in super-senior status.
So there is that.
I do though, like the idea of growing some more.
Always like to learn new things, meet new people, experience new places.
So there is that, too.

 

[Lesh]

The special counsel investigating Donald Trump’s handling of classified documents is seeking to compel a lawyer for the former president to testify before a grand jury, a source familiar with the matter said. Prosecutors allege in a sealed filing that they have evidence that some of Trump’s conversations with the attorney were in furtherance of a crime, the source said.


In a sign of an aggressive new legal strategy, first reported by The New York Times, the source said special counsel Jack Smith has asked a judge to allow prosecutors to invoke what’s known as the crime-fraud exception, which would let them sidestep protections afforded to Trump lawyer Evan Corcoran through attorney-client privilege. The source did not say what questions the government is trying to force Corcoran to answer.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ju...mp-lawyer-prosecutors-allege-eviden-rcna70711

For those unfamiliar with the term "crime fraud exception" it's exactly what the name implies. Attorney client privilege is waved if the advice the client is getting is in service of a crime. It doesn't take much to connect the dots here. Corcoran is the lawyer who wrote the letter claiming there were no more classified docs in Trump's possession. Ooops.

If Corcoran wrote the letter at Don's direction or with his knowledge that is obstruction of justice. Something Don is well practiced at according to Mueller's report.

Obstruction of Justice in the Mueller Report: A Heat Map

The Mueller report describes numerous instances in which President Trump may have obstructed justice. A few days ago, I threw together a quick spreadsheet on Twitter to assess how Special Counsel Robert Mueller seemed to assess the evidence.

www.lawfareblog.com

Waiving attorney/client privilege is a big deal...huge in the case of a former President

 

[Lesh]

But not in the same ways. I would go so far as to say the classification system is broken and that many docs are classified that don't need to be. The thing is, Trump's problem is the concealment of the docs he took and then lying about not having any more. That where the crime comes in.

And obstruction is the easiest thing to prove here.

Like in Watergate. It's the coverup

 

[Chillicothe]

Maybe so BUT both are guilty......

Cool beans!
So let's charge 'em both.
Take 'em both to court (separately, of course).
Gotta wait till Joe is done doing the President-thingy, of course.
But Trump no longer has that protection, so arrest him now, arraign him now.

We all be cool with that. No?

 

[pknopp]

Cool beans!
So let's charge 'em both.

That's what I would choose BUT it's not going to happen.

Take 'em both to court (separately, of course).
Gotta wait till Joe is done doing the President-thingy, of course.
But Trump no longer has that protection, so arrest him now, arraign him now.

We all be cool with that. No?

Biden can be charged now. Clinton was.

 

[Care4all]

1. Trump had the authority to declassify the documents he took. So Trump may not have taken classified documents.

2. Biden had NO such authority. He clearly stole classified documents. Did he sell them for profit?

VPs have the same Classification authority as the President....look it up.

Trump did not declassify the hundreds and hundreds of classified documents he INTENTIONALLY TOOK and REFUSED to return, even under subpoena. An appeals court already ruled on such.

 

[Care4all]

That's what I would choose BUT it's not going to happen.



Biden can be charged now. Clinton was.

Biden can't be criminally charged now, just like Clinton. He can be charged with obstruction in articles of impeachment, but not charged criminally until the day he leaves office.

 

[pknopp]

Biden can't be criminally charged now, just like Clinton. He can be charged with obstruction in articles of impeachment, but not charged criminally until the day he leaves office.

In rejecting separation of powers challenges to claims that the President is immune from federal criminal process, the Court rejected the argument that criminal subpoenas rise to the level of constitutionally forbidden impairment of the Executive’s ability to perform its constitutionally mandated functions.

Clinton v Jones.

 

[Patriot01]

The special counsel investigating Donald Trump’s handling of classified documents is seeking to compel a lawyer for the former president to testify before a grand jury, a source familiar with the matter said. Prosecutors allege in a sealed filing that they have evidence that some of Trump’s conversations with the attorney were in furtherance of a crime, the source said.


In a sign of an aggressive new legal strategy, first reported by The New York Times, the source said special counsel Jack Smith has asked a judge to allow prosecutors to invoke what’s known as the crime-fraud exception, which would let them sidestep protections afforded to Trump lawyer Evan Corcoran through attorney-client privilege. The source did not say what questions the government is trying to force Corcoran to answer.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ju...mp-lawyer-prosecutors-allege-eviden-rcna70711

For those unfamiliar with the term "crime fraud exception" it's exactly what the name implies. Attorney client privilege is waved if the advice the client is getting is in service of a crime. It doesn't take much to connect the dots here. Corcoran is the lawyer who wrote the letter claiming there were no more classified docs in Trump's possession. Ooops.

If Corcoran wrote the letter at Don's direction or with his knowledge that is obstruction of justice. Something Don is well practiced at according to Mueller's report.

Obstruction of Justice in the Mueller Report: A Heat Map

The Mueller report describes numerous instances in which President Trump may have obstructed justice. A few days ago, I threw together a quick spreadsheet on Twitter to assess how Special Counsel Robert Mueller seemed to assess the evidence.

www.lawfareblog.com

We have an invasion, trains and planes crashing, just killed an entire town, China is invading us from the sky, dem run cities more dangerous then war zones .. and you want to attack trump? Lol

 

[Care4all]

In rejecting separation of powers challenges to claims that the President is immune from federal criminal process, the Court rejected the argument that criminal subpoenas rise to the level of constitutionally forbidden impairment of the Executive’s ability to perform its constitutionally mandated functions.

Clinton v Jones.

Subpoenas.

 

[Lesh]

We have an invasion, trains and planes crashing, just killed an entire town, China is invading us from the sky, dem run cities more dangerous then war zones .. and you want to attack trump? Lol

Chicken Little is afraid of rain

 

[pknopp]

Subpoenas.

Subpoenas a president must answer to.

 

[Patriot01]

Chicken Little is afraid of rain

And you’re getting exposed.

 

[Care4all]

Subpoenas a president must answer to.

Yep! Criminal Subpoenas.

That is NOT being INDICTED, while president.

As with Trump, and Clinton, Biden can NOT be charged criminally, until out of office.

 

[Patriot01]

Yep! Criminal Subpoenas.

That is NOT being INDICTED, while president.

As with Trump, and Clinton, Biden can NOT be charged criminally, until out of office.

He’s definitely getting close to a civilian coup

 

[pknopp]

Yep! Criminal Subpoenas.

That is NOT being INDICTED, while president.

As with Trump, and Clinton, Biden can NOT be charged criminally, until out of office.

The Supreme Court in regards to Nixon said.

neither the doctrine of separation of powers, nor the need for confidentiality of high-level communications, without more, can sustain an absolute, unqualified Presidential privilege of immunity from judicial process under all circumstances.

 

[Lesh]

Subpoenas a president must answer to.

Trump showed that to be untrue

 

[Care4all]

He’s definitely getting close to a civilian coup

Ohhh, you're planning another 1/6, eh??? You're just a Wild Thing!