Space Sucks

[Unkotare]

Terrestrial exploration did not require extensive support systems to sustain human cargo ...

Of course they did. Different support for different environments. Maybe you're not human, but you sure as hell aren't going to change human nature.

 

[schmidlap]

Of course they did. Different support for different environments. Maybe you're not human, but you sure as hell aren't going to change human nature.

If you need to imagine that humans ever ventured into regions on earth that could not sustain human life without extraordinary support systems, you are mistaken.

Robotics, that does not require the extensive maintenance systems in space that humans do, is constantly advancing in capability, data-gathering capacity, and miniaturization that allows more, more efficient, more dedicated, and more ambitious scientific missions. Humans, in contrast, are evolving at a rate that is virtually undetectable. (and it costs about It's about $10,000 to put one pound of anything into just a near-earth orbit.)

Hauling human loads into space is a handicap that impedes exploration at this stage. It's largely a pr stunt.

Oh, wow. We can play golf on the moon.​

 

[Unkotare]

If you need to imagine that humans ever ventured into regions on earth that could not sustain human life without extraordinary support systems, ...

Like the North Pole, the South Pole, the top of Everest, or the bottom of the Marianas Trench? You fail, timid old woman.

 

[Dragonlady]

It is the beginning of Joyrides to the edge space. An exciting new and dangerous amusement park ride for those who can afford it and are willing.

No major scientific break through.

It wasn’t intended to be a scientific breakthrough. It was intended to be a commercial break through.

These guys are selling rides on their Rockets for hundreds of thousands of dollars at this point.

 

[petro]

Enough happens in the private sector with tourism and commercial payloads for governments, at some point in the future there will be an equatorial elevator.

This would reduce the costs significantly after a major investment.
There are vast resources to be had on the other worlds and the asteroid belt. Every element that exists on Earth is available in vast quantities throughout the universe. There may even be more we haven't discovered yet.
It may be a while but the OP is pointlessly arguing against an inevitable.
We will at some point in hundreds of years colonize Mars, and possibly the moons of the gas giants and the Asteroid belt.
Right now are just the baby steps.

 

[teodor88]

Space tourism is cool, but still, there are more important issues to be paid attention to. I know that this space tourism campaign will promote Virgin Galactic and Blue Origin. But it would be much better if they pay more attention to some environmental issues. I have already made on this forum point about observing Earth from space with the help of satellite technology. More detailed information you may find onthis website

 

[BlindBoo]

It wasn’t intended to be a scientific breakthrough. It was intended to be a commercial break through.

These guys are selling rides on their Rockets for hundreds of thousands of dollars at this point.

It is a capitalist venture. Just like taking people up in the private airplanes for money.

 

[Stryder50]

Did you see Bezos rocket yesterday? Looked like a giant dick.

Most rockets do. Technology of aerodynamics favors that design form.

And yes, may be another message in there.

 

[Unkotare]

Most rockets do. Technology of aerodynamics favors that design form.

And yes, may be another message in there.

Maybe the message is that some people will see what they spend too much time thinking about everywhere.

 

[Stryder50]

I hope humanity goes extinct, hopefully violently. I wanna watch.

Then start with yourself as an example, show others the way.

 

[Stryder50]

We humans still early on the learning curve here;

Boeing Starliner ISS mission for NASA: How to watch the do-over on July 30​

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How To Prepare Corn on the Cob in the Microwave
If at first you don't succeed, try, try again to send your spacecraft back into orbit to dock with the International Space Station. On July 30, Boeing is set to relaunch its Starliner crew capsule (minus any humans on board) for a second attempt at reaching the ISS, after its first try in late 2019 failed to reach the station.

© Provided by CNET Boeing hopes to pass its do-over Starliner flight test so it can carry humans to the ISS. Boeing

© Boeing
The first crewed Starliner mission could occur as early as June.

Software defects and a communications link problem led to a premature end to the original test flight, though the CST-100 Starliner capsule landed safely back on Earth. The upcoming Orbital Flight Test-2 (OFT-2) mission is a chance for Boeing to thoroughly vet its hardware and software before a crew flies on Starliner.


Both Boeing and SpaceX are part of NASA's Commercial Crew Program, which is all about sending astronauts to the ISS from American soil. SpaceX has now delivered 10 astronauts to the ISS, and Boeing would like to catch up. First, it'll need to show that its Starliner can safely reach the ISS and then return to Earth.
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NASA, Boeing Starliner launch to ISS delayed again due to technical issue

 

[Stryder50]

Enough happens in the private sector with tourism and commercial payloads for governments, at some point in the future there will be an equatorial elevator. View attachment 516099
This would reduce the costs significantly after a major investment.
There are vast resources to be had on the other worlds and the asteroid belt. Every element that exists on Earth is available in vast quantities throughout the universe. There may even be more we haven't discovered yet.
It may be a while but the OP is pointlessly arguing against an inevitable.
We will at some point in hundreds of years colonize Mars, and possibly the moons of the gas giants and the Asteroid belt.
Right now are just the baby steps.

We maybe several decades to a century away from the 'Space Elevator', but that is one huge tech gain that would improve costs per pound to LEO - Low Earth Orbit.

Along with expanded metal and mineral resources "out there", the prospect of moving some of that mining, smeltering and manufacturing off planet would be a positive gain in both helping the environment and providing new processes, such as weightless and vacuum based products. Imperfection free glass(silica) could have strength of steel, and steel produced in vacuum ....

 

[Stryder50]

My buddy called during the launch to make sure I was watching.
Told him it looked like a giant dick.

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Compare to the Saturn I which only took three people to orbit, not four; and which used "throw away" launch vehicles/tech to do so.

Point of ventures like this is to increase performance of lift vehicles, that are re-usable, there by dropping cost per pound to orbit, and assist in the R&D for bigger and better down the road.

 

[Stryder50]

Capable and cost efficient robot tech is part of the long path of gains coming from both the space programs and military application of rockets and missiles. Both were inter woven in the R&D track from 1940s onward.

What looked like a need for humans being there to explore has now refined to point one can send "robots" to scout, probe, and measure BEFORE sending humans. And once humans are there, they can do the repairs and gear/equipment upgrades to keep the robots going longer.

 

[Stryder50]

IIRC, it was scientist and author Arthur C. Clark whom may have be the first to seriously propose that if our Solar System had ever been visited by "Others" in the past, evidence of such might be on the Moon(Luna) or other moons in the Solar System.

The following link connects so a series of six such lengthy articles and the images are the result of a "robot" probe we sent to Saturn years ago. Supposedly these images of Iapetus weren't on the original agenda, but with Iapetus orbiting much further out than the rest of the moons of Saturn, it afforded the the chance to do gravitational sling to reposition orbit of Cassini.

Cassini-Huygens

For more than a decade, NASA’s Cassini spacecraft shared the wonders of Saturn, its spectacular rings, and its family of icy moons.

solarsystem.nasa.gov

While Cassini provided several interesting photo images of Iapetus, seems it's ground penetrating radar was not used on this flyby, so no details below the surface were obtained. Pity!

Among some of the interesting surprises are the @ 12 mile wide and @12 mile high "mountain" ridge which runs along the "equator" of this moon/planetoid, possible full circumference. Also, the closeup image suggesting it is actually three parallel ridge lines.

Another interesting find was the numerous "craters' which have rather geometric shapes, many being hexagonal in form. Also, what looked to be rectilinear features/structures on parts of the surface.

While the author of the articles, Hoagland, initially speculated this might be a derelict from earlier higher tech Terrestrial culture/civilization; other have wondered if it might have been an inter-stellar colonization ship.

Along with ideas put forth by Futurists that we might hollow out habitat areas beneath the surface of asteroids, perhaps even boost such into closer orbit near Earth; another concept would be use this process to create and inter-stellar exploration/colony ship. One isn't boosting stuff up through Earth's gravity well - the right asteroid would have numerous types of minerals and metals for raw materials - hollowed out chambers beneath the surface could provide habitat areas for the human crew/colonists - enough radio-actives for fuel and energy - this could be a colony/generations ship that could make a slow, sub-light (subluminal) journey to the nearest star.

Would take decades to generations to get there, but is one way.

Might some one else have done so coming to here in the distant past ?

Moon with a View
Or, What Did Arthur Know … and When Did He Know it?
Part 1

Note, links to each of next article in the series at the bottom of the page of the article.

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[toobfreak]

It's official: We've now reached stratospheric economic inequality here on earth.

Only a socialist would see that as a bad thing. "Stratospheric economic inequality" is just a fancy way of saying that now it is possible for some to make fantastically higher amounts of money than the average person!

I rather like the idea that if I myself personally cannot avail myself of the opportunity, that at least some others have found a way through opportunity and hard work to make $15,000 a minute!

God bless 'em.

 

[Stryder50]

Only a socialist would see that as a bad thing. "Stratospheric economic inequality" is just a fancy way of saying that now it is possible for some to make fantastically higher amounts of money than the average person!

I rather like the idea that if I myself personally cannot avail myself of the opportunity, that at least some others have found a way through opportunity and hard work to make $15,000 a minute!

God bless 'em.

Like anything the rich/wealthy do with their money, this does provide jobs for others and sustains certain niches of the economy and technology.

 

[Stryder50]

The International Space Station Is More Valuable Than Many People Realize​

It’s crucial to our exploration of the solar system, but this marvel of innovation has not always had the support it deserves.
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The International Space Station Is More Valuable Than Many People Realize

It’s crucial to our exploration of the solar system, but this marvel of innovation has not always had the support it deserves.

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[james bond]

Maybe he was trying to one-up Musk who launched a Tesla?

And you can get a job at Tesla washing cars for $14/hr.

The white one with the all red leather interior is mine. They didn't offer beige. Be sure to do a good job on it and I'll be sure to give you a great rating.

 

[teodor88]

Another point to be mentioned is space junk. I do not understand why large space agencies are not concerned with this issue. We are close to the cascade effect that can cause collisions of space debris with spacecrafts. The good piece of news is that some space companies make special technology like micro tug One of the purposes of this kind of space technology is de-orbiting space debris or transferring space debris to a disposal orbit