South Korea and China sign defense agreement after Trump asked SK for more money

[Flash]

I think Trump overestimated how much South Korea needs us..
China signs defense agreement with South Korea as U.S. angers Seoul with demand for $5 billion troop payment
China signs defense agreement with South Korea as U.S. angers Seoul with demand for $5 billion troop payment

Driving our allies into the hands of our enemies is a tRump specialty.

If SK is willing to do defence deals with dictators who abuse human rights and use internment camps, more power to them.
Now they will be with the likes of russia iran and Venezuela. Awesome!

We abuse human rights.

Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse - Wikipedia

And set up camps.

Guantanamo Bay detention camp - Wikipedia

You’re full of shit. Abu Ghraib had no torture going on. A few morons breaking the rules to humiliate some of the terrorists there is not “torture”. Frat parties do worse than what happened there.

Bush admitted to it.

George W. Bush Admits Torture, Says He Would 'Do It Again'

Only an American hating Moon Bat would be against waterboarding Muslim filth in order to save American lives.

Let me guess. You voted for that American hating Muslim piece of shit Obama. Am I right or am I right?

 

[justoffal]

I think Trump overestimated how much South Korea needs us..
China signs defense agreement with South Korea as U.S. angers Seoul with demand for $5 billion troop payment
China signs defense agreement with South Korea as U.S. angers Seoul with demand for $5 billion troop payment

SK better take a good look at Hong Kong.

Jo

 

[sartre play]

The OP says nothing about water boarding, its about the possibility of China getting a foothold on more land, people, & resources. Are you not looking at what is happening with China & Hong Kong ?

 

[pknopp]

Driving our allies into the hands of our enemies is a tRump specialty.

If SK is willing to do defence deals with dictators who abuse human rights and use internment camps, more power to them.
Now they will be with the likes of russia iran and Venezuela. Awesome!

We abuse human rights.

Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse - Wikipedia

And set up camps.

Guantanamo Bay detention camp - Wikipedia

You’re full of shit. Abu Ghraib had no torture going on. A few morons breaking the rules to humiliate some of the terrorists there is not “torture”. Frat parties do worse than what happened there.

Bush admitted to it.

George W. Bush Admits Torture, Says He Would 'Do It Again'

Only an American hating Moon Bat would be against waterboarding Muslim filth in order to save American lives.

Let me guess. You voted for that American hating Muslim piece of shit Obama. Am I right or am I right?

You are wrong. As you are concerning torture.

 

[Flash]

If SK is willing to do defence deals with dictators who abuse human rights and use internment camps, more power to them.
Now they will be with the likes of russia iran and Venezuela. Awesome!

We abuse human rights.

Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse - Wikipedia

And set up camps.

Guantanamo Bay detention camp - Wikipedia

You’re full of shit. Abu Ghraib had no torture going on. A few morons breaking the rules to humiliate some of the terrorists there is not “torture”. Frat parties do worse than what happened there.

Bush admitted to it.

George W. Bush Admits Torture, Says He Would 'Do It Again'

Only an American hating Moon Bat would be against waterboarding Muslim filth in order to save American lives.

Let me guess. You voted for that American hating Muslim piece of shit Obama. Am I right or am I right?

You are wrong. As you are concerning torture.

You are confused once again.

I think anybody that isn't a stupid Moon Bat knows that Obama is an American hating piece of shit that did tremendous damage to this country. You aren't a stupid Moon Bat, are you?

The people that do water boarding have to submit to it before they are allowed to administer it to get information out of the Muslim terrorist that would do harm to this country.

Can't be too damn bad. There are many more things that could be considered "torture" than that. Hell if you were a captive of Obama's filthy Muslim buddies they would put you in a cage and then set fire on you. That is real torture.

How about being on America's team for a change instead of trying to give aid and comfort to Obama's Muslim buddies that want to kill you and your family? Think you can do that?

 

[theHawk]

If SK is willing to do defence deals with dictators who abuse human rights and use internment camps, more power to them.
Now they will be with the likes of russia iran and Venezuela. Awesome!

We abuse human rights.

Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse - Wikipedia

And set up camps.

Guantanamo Bay detention camp - Wikipedia

You’re full of shit. Abu Ghraib had no torture going on. A few morons breaking the rules to humiliate some of the terrorists there is not “torture”. Frat parties do worse than what happened there.

Bush admitted to it.

George W. Bush Admits Torture, Says He Would 'Do It Again'

Yes, water boarding is torture and it works well and it should be used against terrorists.

That’s not what happened at Abu Ghraib. Nice try at deflection though.

There you go.....torture is good.

Torture isn’t good, it’s just a tool to use when needed to extract intel, if done properly such as the water boarding. We are at war with Islamists, nothing pretty about it.

 

[Andylusion]

I think Trump overestimated how much South Korea needs us..
China signs defense agreement with South Korea as U.S. angers Seoul with demand for $5 billion troop payment
China signs defense agreement with South Korea as U.S. angers Seoul with demand for $5 billion troop payment

Interesting. I don't know if this is a good or bad thing.

The good theory is, China lays the hammer on North Korea, and says..... South Korea is under our protection now, so shut it.

I can see this outcome. It is possible. And given North Korea has practically no friends at all in the world, other than China... they would have no choice but to tow the line.

The bad theory is.... China gives a wink and nod, and as soon as the US pulls out, North Korea rolls in the tanks, and we have a re-enactment of Vietnam.

I can see this outcome as well. It is very possible, given that China was directly responsible for propping up North Vietnam.

Economically, China would be an utter fool to allow the second. S.Kor is a huge market for Chinese goods, while N. Kor is a economic joke. China is making good money off the S.Koreans, and we have every reason to believe that having the North Koreans take over South Korea would be an economic disaster for the entire region.

Socialism always fails.

And with China more Capitalist than ever, and seeing how North Korea has not followed their lead.... China would be economically retarded to allow the North Koreans to have their way with the South.

But..... You never know. Hard to say.

Either a China defense pact will defuse the most dangerous DMZ on earth... or it will put a torch to the fuse.

Hard to say what will happen now.

North Korea is not going to invade South Korea, no matter if we are there or not.

This is not about invasions or not, this is about economics.

The bad news of a China/SK deal is that we have now driven one of our closest allies to our chief rival in the world, once again diminishing the influence the US has and increasing that of China.

I would say that Russia is a our chief rival. China hasn't engaged in land confiscation through armed conflict yet.
Russia most certainly is more threatening than China.

Regardless, I'm a bit of an 'all-in' or 'all-out' kind of guy.

This idea of sitting around in a high risk hostile location for decades on end, with no solution in sight, is bothersome.

Now I understand that if we take over Iraq for example, that we need to stay there until things are stabilized, and not leave early, and wonder why everything falls apart.

However.... the Korean war ended in 1953. It's now 2019. What was your plan for us there? Just stay there until the sun burns out?

So to some extent, I'm ok with changing the status quo, because the status quo sucked.

 

[pknopp]

We abuse human rights.

Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse - Wikipedia

And set up camps.

Guantanamo Bay detention camp - Wikipedia

You’re full of shit. Abu Ghraib had no torture going on. A few morons breaking the rules to humiliate some of the terrorists there is not “torture”. Frat parties do worse than what happened there.

Bush admitted to it.

George W. Bush Admits Torture, Says He Would 'Do It Again'

Only an American hating Moon Bat would be against waterboarding Muslim filth in order to save American lives.

Let me guess. You voted for that American hating Muslim piece of shit Obama. Am I right or am I right?

You are wrong. As you are concerning torture.

You are confused once again.

I think anybody that isn't a stupid Moon Bat knows that Obama is an American hating piece of shit that did tremendous damage to this country. You aren't a stupid Moon Bat, are you?

The people that do water boarding have to submit to it before they are allowed to administer it to get information out of the Muslim terrorist that would do harm to this country.

Can't be too damn bad. There are many more things that could be considered "torture" than that. Hell if you were a captive of Obama's filthy Muslim buddies they would put you in a cage and then set fire on you. That is real torture.

How about being on America's team for a change instead of trying to give aid and comfort to Obama's Muslim buddies that want to kill you and your family? Think you can do that?

You are arguing that "we should be as bad as them". We could note, we attacked them, not the other way around.

 

[pknopp]

We abuse human rights.

Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse - Wikipedia

And set up camps.

Guantanamo Bay detention camp - Wikipedia

You’re full of shit. Abu Ghraib had no torture going on. A few morons breaking the rules to humiliate some of the terrorists there is not “torture”. Frat parties do worse than what happened there.

Bush admitted to it.

George W. Bush Admits Torture, Says He Would 'Do It Again'

Yes, water boarding is torture and it works well and it should be used against terrorists.

That’s not what happened at Abu Ghraib. Nice try at deflection though.

There you go.....torture is good.

Torture isn’t good, it’s just a tool to use when needed to extract intel, if done properly such as the water boarding. We are at war with Islamists, nothing pretty about it.

It's a made up war.

 

[theHawk]

You’re full of shit. Abu Ghraib had no torture going on. A few morons breaking the rules to humiliate some of the terrorists there is not “torture”. Frat parties do worse than what happened there.

Bush admitted to it.

George W. Bush Admits Torture, Says He Would 'Do It Again'

Yes, water boarding is torture and it works well and it should be used against terrorists.

That’s not what happened at Abu Ghraib. Nice try at deflection though.

There you go.....torture is good.

Torture isn’t good, it’s just a tool to use when needed to extract intel, if done properly such as the water boarding. We are at war with Islamists, nothing pretty about it.

It's a made up war.

All wars are “made up”. Islamists have been at war with everyone for 1400 years. But, I’m sure you believe they are harmless and victims of Western imperialism or some bullshit.

 

[pknopp]

Bush admitted to it.

George W. Bush Admits Torture, Says He Would 'Do It Again'

Yes, water boarding is torture and it works well and it should be used against terrorists.

That’s not what happened at Abu Ghraib. Nice try at deflection though.

There you go.....torture is good.

Torture isn’t good, it’s just a tool to use when needed to extract intel, if done properly such as the water boarding. We are at war with Islamists, nothing pretty about it.

It's a made up war.

All wars are “made up”. Islamists have been at war with everyone for 1400 years. But, I’m sure you believe they are harmless and victims of Western imperialism or some bullshit.

I believe that what they do is not something we can do anything about.

 

[Flash]

You’re full of shit. Abu Ghraib had no torture going on. A few morons breaking the rules to humiliate some of the terrorists there is not “torture”. Frat parties do worse than what happened there.

Bush admitted to it.

George W. Bush Admits Torture, Says He Would 'Do It Again'

Only an American hating Moon Bat would be against waterboarding Muslim filth in order to save American lives.

Let me guess. You voted for that American hating Muslim piece of shit Obama. Am I right or am I right?

You are wrong. As you are concerning torture.

You are confused once again.

I think anybody that isn't a stupid Moon Bat knows that Obama is an American hating piece of shit that did tremendous damage to this country. You aren't a stupid Moon Bat, are you?

The people that do water boarding have to submit to it before they are allowed to administer it to get information out of the Muslim terrorist that would do harm to this country.

Can't be too damn bad. There are many more things that could be considered "torture" than that. Hell if you were a captive of Obama's filthy Muslim buddies they would put you in a cage and then set fire on you. That is real torture.

How about being on America's team for a change instead of trying to give aid and comfort to Obama's Muslim buddies that want to kill you and your family? Think you can do that?

You are arguing that "we should be as bad as them". We could note, we attacked them, not the other way around.

I am arguing that we should protect this country and if it means some goddamn Muslim terrorits that wants to kill Americans is going to have a bad day then so be it..

Waterboarding is not the same as what the Muslims do to people. If you think so then you are confused.

Since you are confused would you like for me to give you some examples of what Obama's Muslim buddies do to people?

Are you a homosexual? Because if you are I will start off with that one.

 

[pknopp]

Bush admitted to it.

George W. Bush Admits Torture, Says He Would 'Do It Again'

Only an American hating Moon Bat would be against waterboarding Muslim filth in order to save American lives.

Let me guess. You voted for that American hating Muslim piece of shit Obama. Am I right or am I right?

You are wrong. As you are concerning torture.

You are confused once again.

I think anybody that isn't a stupid Moon Bat knows that Obama is an American hating piece of shit that did tremendous damage to this country. You aren't a stupid Moon Bat, are you?

The people that do water boarding have to submit to it before they are allowed to administer it to get information out of the Muslim terrorist that would do harm to this country.

Can't be too damn bad. There are many more things that could be considered "torture" than that. Hell if you were a captive of Obama's filthy Muslim buddies they would put you in a cage and then set fire on you. That is real torture.

How about being on America's team for a change instead of trying to give aid and comfort to Obama's Muslim buddies that want to kill you and your family? Think you can do that?

You are arguing that "we should be as bad as them". We could note, we attacked them, not the other way around.

I am arguing that we should protect this country and if it means some goddamn Muslim terrorits that wants to kill Americans is going to have a bad day then so be it..

Waterboarding is not the same as what the Muslims do to people. If you think so then you are confused.

Since you are confused would you like for me to give you some examples of what Obama's Muslim buddies do to people?

Are you a homosexual? Because if you are I will start off with that one.

Nothing we can do about what they do......that should be plainly obvious by now.

 

[Osiris-ODS]

As things stand with the Democrats and Trump, I don't think Trump has the pull now, to intervene on S.Kor side.

Democrats in Congress would support Trump on that in a hurry once they realized they won't be getting next year's version of the Samsung Galaxy S or Note if South Korea is wiped out.

 

[Flash]

Only an American hating Moon Bat would be against waterboarding Muslim filth in order to save American lives.

Let me guess. You voted for that American hating Muslim piece of shit Obama. Am I right or am I right?

You are wrong. As you are concerning torture.

You are confused once again.

I think anybody that isn't a stupid Moon Bat knows that Obama is an American hating piece of shit that did tremendous damage to this country. You aren't a stupid Moon Bat, are you?

The people that do water boarding have to submit to it before they are allowed to administer it to get information out of the Muslim terrorist that would do harm to this country.

Can't be too damn bad. There are many more things that could be considered "torture" than that. Hell if you were a captive of Obama's filthy Muslim buddies they would put you in a cage and then set fire on you. That is real torture.

How about being on America's team for a change instead of trying to give aid and comfort to Obama's Muslim buddies that want to kill you and your family? Think you can do that?

You are arguing that "we should be as bad as them". We could note, we attacked them, not the other way around.

I am arguing that we should protect this country and if it means some goddamn Muslim terrorits that wants to kill Americans is going to have a bad day then so be it..

Waterboarding is not the same as what the Muslims do to people. If you think so then you are confused.

Since you are confused would you like for me to give you some examples of what Obama's Muslim buddies do to people?

Are you a homosexual? Because if you are I will start off with that one.

Nothing we can do about what they do......that should be plainly obvious by now.

Maybe waterboarding will get one of Obama' buddies to spill the beans on the plans to kill you or somebody in your family.

Small price to pay. Waterboarding is uncomfortable as hell and that is why it produces results but it isn't permanent and it isn't like the torture Obama's Muslim buddies would put you through to get information.

There is no comparison.

How about being on the side of the Americans for a change instead of being a pussy that is trying to make things more comfortable for the despicable Muslim terrorists? Can you do that?

 

[theHawk]

Yes, water boarding is torture and it works well and it should be used against terrorists.

That’s not what happened at Abu Ghraib. Nice try at deflection though.

There you go.....torture is good.

Torture isn’t good, it’s just a tool to use when needed to extract intel, if done properly such as the water boarding. We are at war with Islamists, nothing pretty about it.

It's a made up war.

All wars are “made up”. Islamists have been at war with everyone for 1400 years. But, I’m sure you believe they are harmless and victims of Western imperialism or some bullshit.

I believe that what they do is not something we can do anything about.

So roll over and let Muslims rape Western civilization, that’s your answer?

Well the rest of us aren’t going to be so easy. We can easily deal with Islam, by banning any more immigration from shithole countries. By refusing to cater to their demands in our own country. By rejecting Islam, and belittling it at every chance in our culture. Put them on terror watch lists and deport them at the first sign of trouble. Let Muslims stay in their shithole countries in the Middle East and Africa and let them kill each other off. If they ever attack us, we carpet bomb/nuke them, including Mecca and their unholy bathhouse they worship.

Islamists can be quite easy to handle. It’s the regressives that prevent us from dealing with Islam in the proper way that is the real problem. Without treasonous regressives, Islam would had been expunged long ago from Western nations and we wouldn’t be dealing with all these issues.

Anyway, this is all getting off topic. I’m done with this little anti-American shit.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I would say that Russia is a our chief rival. China hasn't engaged in land confiscation through armed conflict yet.
Russia most certainly is more threatening than China.

China does not need to engage in land confiscation through armed conflict, they see their path to victory through economics and political influence.

They are extending their reach all over the globe and every vacuum we create, they fill.

Regardless, I'm a bit of an 'all-in' or 'all-out' kind of guy.

This idea of sitting around in a high risk hostile location for decades on end, with no solution in sight, is bothersome.

Now I understand that if we take over Iraq for example, that we need to stay there until things are stabilized, and not leave early, and wonder why everything falls apart.

However.... the Korean war ended in 1953. It's now 2019. What was your plan for us there? Just stay there until the sun burns out?

So to some extent, I'm ok with changing the status quo, because the status quo sucked.

NK is not a hostile situation, even the DMZ while scary looking is not hostile. We have not traded shots with NK for 60 years.

We are in places like SK and Japan purely for the influence it provides over the region. We leave and China fills the void and we are truly fucked.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

I think Trump overestimated how much South Korea needs us..
China signs defense agreement with South Korea as U.S. angers Seoul with demand for $5 billion troop payment
China signs defense agreement with South Korea as U.S. angers Seoul with demand for $5 billion troop payment

Driving our allies into the hands of our enemies is a tRump specialty.

If SK is willing to do defence deals with dictators who abuse human rights and use internment camps, more power to them.
Now they will be with the likes of russia iran and Venezuela. Awesome!

How stupid do you have to be to choose China over US protection? Do they not have TV’s in SK? Do they think they will be treated any differently than Hong Kong?

 

[eagle1462010]

Did not take long for South Korea to show their appreciation for all we did for them. With that attitude it is time to bring our military home,

We are the only reason there is a S. Korea............and our presence there keeps the Dragon at bay.

Some times it's good to know where countries really stand with us..........S. Korea may have just made that clear.

Big mistake on their part............China will never honor a deal with them. China will be licking their chop sticks.

 

[justoffal]

We abuse human rights.

Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse - Wikipedia

And set up camps.

Guantanamo Bay detention camp - Wikipedia

You’re full of shit. Abu Ghraib had no torture going on. A few morons breaking the rules to humiliate some of the terrorists there is not “torture”. Frat parties do worse than what happened there.

Bush admitted to it.

George W. Bush Admits Torture, Says He Would 'Do It Again'

Only an American hating Moon Bat would be against waterboarding Muslim filth in order to save American lives.

Let me guess. You voted for that American hating Muslim piece of shit Obama. Am I right or am I right?

You are wrong. As you are concerning torture.

You are confused once again.

I think anybody that isn't a stupid Moon Bat knows that Obama is an American hating piece of shit that did tremendous damage to this country. You aren't a stupid Moon Bat, are you?

The people that do water boarding have to submit to it before they are allowed to administer it to get information out of the Muslim terrorist that would do harm to this country.

Can't be too damn bad. There are many more things that could be considered "torture" than that. Hell if you were a captive of Obama's filthy Muslim buddies they would put you in a cage and then set fire on you. That is real torture.

How about being on America's team for a change instead of trying to give aid and comfort to Obama's Muslim buddies that want to kill you and your family? Think you can do that?

The reason the left hated so much it's because it worked.

Jo