Something Else That Trump Couldn't Be Bothered to Get Right: Termination of Union Members Have to Adhere to Their Collective Bargaining Agreement-CBA

[BackAgain]

There is no question but that everything already being done by Trump is by design. It’s all inter-related. It’s huge in size and scope. And it just keeps on getting more and more momentum.

The firing of the various Inspectors General is an example of him doing, as President, that which he has the sole right to do: fire employees at will.

The allegedly special conditions Congress placed on the firing of Inspectors General is simply of no consequence.

 

[Edgetho]

Trump is following the same pattern that was used against him in his last term. Domination by sheer force of volume.

I don't believe there's anything sinister in what OMB is doing. I also don't think he is following the example of anything dimocrap scum would do. That would be slimy.

He's just doing what he said he would do.

 

[struth]

I can't help but wonder why Trump appears to be in SUCH a hurry to burn everything down. So much so that he can't be bothered to do things the proper way so that he is obtains the results he wants, or in the very least, not have so many irons in the fire that it bogs down our government and prevents people from doing the work that they were hired to do.

UNLESS this is just a tactic.

When a federal employee is a member of a union, their termination must comply with the terms set forth in the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) between the union and the federal agency. These agreements outline just cause protections, due process rights, and grievance procedures that must be followed before an employee can be fired.​

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Key Protections Under Federal Union CBAs:​

1. Just Cause Standard:
   • Most CBAs prohibit arbitrary or politically motivated firings.
   • The agency must provide documented reasons for termination, often including a progressive discipline process before outright dismissal.
2. Due Process Rights (5 U.S.C. § 7513 & § 7121):
   • Federal employees cannot be fired without due process.
   • They are entitled to notice, a chance to respond, and an appeal process through the Merit Systems Protection Board (MSPB) or their union’s grievance procedure.
3. Union Representation in Disciplinary Actions:
   • Employees have a right to union representation (Weingarten Rights) during disciplinary meetings.
   • The union can challenge unfair terminations through arbitration or legal action.
4. Grievance and Appeal Rights:
   • Federal employees covered by a CBA can challenge their termination through a grievance process instead of (or in addition to) an MSPB appeal.
   • Many unions arbitrate wrongful termination cases, and arbitrators have the power to reinstate employees and award back pay.

How This Applies to Trump's Firings:​

If Trump’s administration is firing federal employees who are union members, those dismissals must comply with their CBA protections. If the firings are politically motivated or related to retaliation against DEI programs, unions can file lawsuits and grievances to block the terminations.​

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Current Union Legal Actions Against Firings:​

• The National Treasury Employees Union (NTEU) has already filed a lawsuit challenging the reclassification and firing of federal workers, arguing it violates the Civil Service Reform Act and their collective bargaining rights. (theguardian.com)
• The American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) is also preparing legal challenges against mass firings. (marketwatch.com)

What’s not right about it? They are fired…and now running to court to try and keep their jobs

 

[justoffal]

I don't believe there's anything sinister in what OMB is doing. I also don't think he is following the example of anything dimocrap scum would do. That would be slimy.

He's just doing what he said he would do.

My point is not that there's something sinister about it but that there's something frighteningly efficient about it. I don't believe Trump possesses that level of efficiency. There's a ringer in the background.... Tantamount to a hired Hitman.
Frankly it's the only way to to approach it!
This isn't a push and shove match that eventually breaks out into a brawl... This is a first strike decapitation.

 

[initforme]

Sorry but all workers can have access to collective bargaining... The old Constitution pretty much guarantees that..

Worker have contracts and thus have rights on that contract...

This is any employer/ Employee relationship... This is workers rights, GOP really hate workers having rights..

Your last sentence....why do some people hate workers having a voice? Hard to comprehend.

 

[Edgetho]

My point is not that there's something sinister about it but if there's something frighteningly efficient about it. I don't believe Trump possesses that level of efficiency. There's a ringer in the background.... Tantamount to a hired Hitman.
Frankly it's the only way to to approach it!
This isn't a push and shove match that eventually breaks out into a brawl... This is a first strike decapitation.

I agree 100% with that. But it's all approved by Trump. Everything goes through him.

It would be fun to guess who the Brains behind all this is. His DIL? Staff we've never heard of?? A whole committee of people??

 

[M14 Shooter]

It would be fun to guess who the Brains behind all this is. His DIL? Staff we've never heard of?? A whole committee of people??

The dudes at AR15.com

 

[Independent thinker]

So you are saying that Trump is in charge of the Deep State now...

Gottcha...

It seems like you are saying that. What happened to, "There is no such thing as the deep state"?

 

[Independent thinker]

They should know better. I don’t consider any sort of ultimate authority.

Well, you are certainly not considered and any sort of ultimate authority.

 

[Edgetho]

Your last sentence....why do some people hate workers having a voice? Hard to comprehend.

It's your fault I went stupid and looked at what the idiot you responded to was saying. Thanks, pal.

There's nothing in the Constitution about workers rights. That's idiotic. It's why I put that particular idiot on 'ignore'.

America voted for Trump, not the 'workers'. They should remain employed, but only at the Will of The President. Nothing else. They should have no rights other than what the Civil Service Act gives them.

I wonder how many people would vote for the workers at the DMV. Or the IRS?

 

[whitehall]

Seriously, do lefties really think the President doesn't have the right to terminate the employment of people who work in the executive branch of government because they belong to freaking unions? Maybe y'all fell asleep during "Constitution 101".

 

[M14 Shooter]

Seriously, do lefties really think the President doesn't have the right to terminate the employment of people who work in the executive branch of government because they belong to freaking unions? Maybe y'all fell asleep during "Constitution 101".

When you play the game of thrones, you win, or you die.
These people lost.

 

[initforme]

It's your fault I went stupid and looked at the idiot you responded to was saying. Thanks, pal.

There's nothing in the Constitution about workers rights. That's idiotic. It's why I put that particular idiot on 'ignore'.

America voted for Trump, not the 'workers'. They should remain employed, but only at the Will of The President. Nothing else. They should have no rights other than what the Civil Service Act gives them.

I wonder how many people would vote for the workers at the DMV. Or the IRS?

I'm talking workers in general. Unions bad, overtime wages bad. Paid time off bad, it never ends...

 

[Edgetho]

I'm talking workers in general. Unions bad, overtime wages bad. Paid time off bad, it never ends...

Some Unions are good. They can serve a good purpose for everybody.

Some Unions are beyond stupid and harmful to everybody associated with them.

Public Sector Unions, the ones in goobermint, including Teachers, are beyond horrible. They suck ass. Totally, completely and absolutely SUCK ASS.

I would love to see Trump ban Public Sector Unions by Executive Order. Why not? They were allowed by Executive Order?

The 1930's laws overseen by FDR do NOT include Public Sector Unions. In fact, I believe they deliberately EXCLUDE government Unions specifically.

I believe JFK created Public Sector Unions by Executive Order, IIRC. And I see no reason why OMB can't destroy them by EO.

I'd love to see it.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Some Unions are good. They can serve a good purpose for everybody.

Some Unions are beyond stupid and harmful to everybody associated with them.

Public Sector Unions, the ones in goobermint, including Teachers, are beyond horrible. They suck ass. Totally, completely and absolutely SUCK ASS.

I would love to see Trump ban Public Sector Unions by Executive Order. Why not? They were allowed by Executive Order?

The 1930's laws overseen by FDR do NOT include Public Sector Unions. In fact, I believe they deliberately EXCLUDE government Unions specifically.

I believe JFK created Public Sector Unions by Executive Order, IIRC. And I see no reason why OMB can't destroy them by EO.

I'd love to see it.

Like the Teamsters, they started out well but turned corrupt

 

[justoffal]

Like the Teamsters, they started out well but turned corrupt

Oh yeah.... Unions no longer represent the workers.

 

[initforme]

Then expand more workers rights like 2x overtime pay mandatory.

 

[Edgetho]

Like the Teamsters, they started out well but turned corrupt

I don't know about all that. Their President all but endorsed Trump.

goobermint Unions.....

Look.... If the UAW gets out of control, Ford, GM, Stellantis can say, "Fuck you. We'll move our production plants overseas if you don't stop your bullshit" And if their prices go up too high, we can buy another brand. There are dozens of them

Those companies, those industries have competition. The UAW has Toyodor, Honda, VW, BMW, Nissan, etc, etc as competition. It keeps them in line because -- Those brands are strong. Sooper Strong. You probably drive one.

The goobermint has no competition. None. It can't move overseas (although I'd LOVE to see them move out of DC).

But there's no competition. They work for The People. No competition. Where else can we go? We only have One United States Government.

 

[initforme]

Some Unions are good. They can serve a good purpose for everybody.

Some Unions are beyond stupid and harmful to everybody associated with them.

Public Sector Unions, the ones in goobermint, including Teachers, are beyond horrible. They suck ass. Totally, completely and absolutely SUCK ASS.

I would love to see Trump ban Public Sector Unions by Executive Order. Why not? They were allowed by Executive Order?

The 1930's laws overseen by FDR do NOT include Public Sector Unions. In fact, I believe they deliberately EXCLUDE government Unions specifically.

I believe JFK created Public Sector Unions by Executive Order, IIRC. And I see no reason why OMB can't destroy them by EO.

I'd love to see it.

The vast majority of american employers have a disdain for their employees. It'd be best if nobody worked for anyone else.

 

[justoffal]

I don't know about all that. Their President all but endorsed Trump.

goobermint Unions.....

Look.... If the UAW gets out of control, Ford, GM, Stellantis can say, "Fuck you. We'll move our production plants overseas if you don't stop your bullshit" And if their prices go up too high, we can buy another brand. There are dozens of them

Those companies, those industries have competition. The UAW has Toyodor, Honda, VW, BMW, Nissan, etc, etc as competition. It keeps them in line because -- Those brands are strong. Sooper Strong. You probably drive one.

The goobermint has no competition. None. It can't move overseas (although I'd LOVE to see them move out of DC).

But there's no competition. They work for The People. No competition. Where else can we go? We only have One United States Government.

All they need to do is move them to another state.
Happens all the time.